On the subject of aion and aionios (sorry!)

[Forest]

If this thread need be moved or is not necessary, I apologize.  :newb:

I had a question regarding the studies of aion/aionios. I understand aion to mean age, and I've heard that aionios is age-abiding or of the age, etc.

Is this a grammatical thing? Like I wouldn't say "God love me", but rather, "God loves me" to avoid grammatical error, although both messages are the same?

Where can I find information on this?

Specifically, just for fun, I'm looking at the scripture "And these shall go away into aionios kolasis: but the righteous into zoe aionios." (Mat 25:46)

Why does it not just say "aion kolasis" and "zoe aion" (also, does the switch of the placement of the words have any effect on the meaning?) What effect does the "ios" portion of aionios hold? Any resources, discussions, books, articles, etc. would be awesome!!

TIA!  :Book:

[rosered]

If this thread need be moved or is not necessary, I apologize.  :newb:

I had a question regarding the studies of aion/aionios. I understand aion to mean age, and I've heard that aionios is age-abiding or of the age, etc.

Is this a grammatical thing? Like I wouldn't say "God love me", but rather, "God loves me" to avoid grammatical error, although both messages are the same?

Where can I find information on this?

Specifically, just for fun, I'm looking at the scripture "And these shall go away into aionios kolasis: but the righteous into zoe aionios." (Mat 25:46)

Why does it not just say "aion kolasis" and "zoe aion" (also, does the switch of the placement of the words have any effect on the meaning?) What effect does the "ios" portion of aionios hold? Any resources, discussions, books, articles, etc. would be awesome!!

TIA!











:Book:

Found this for you , and read little of it  myself ,, sorry , but the  jots and tittles seems endless   in my opinion and  as far as helping us , I dont think   there is much difference , it seems the greek language is unable to define the Hebrew   word with meanings  very well   and  the  english language , well there is a   mountain to over come    lol   :laughing7:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/unsearchablerich/booksonwebsite/%C2%A9CPC+The+Greek+Word+AION-AIONIOS.pdf


I do find your enthusiasm   wonderful!!   Every bit helps  , when looking deeper  into Gods Word of Life   :HeartThrob:
My help come though a through study of Ecc 3 chapter    and OLAM  meaning personally  :2c:   and my own thoughts is only GOD IS OLAM WISDOM  :dsunny:


11 He has made everything beautiful in its time. He also has planted eternity [OLAM ] in men's hearts and minds [a divinely implanted sense of a purpose working through the ages which nothing under the sun but God alone can satisfy], yet so that men cannot find out what God has done from the beginning to the end.

I thought of two things  recently  that are kind of mind blowing in a good way  :laughing7:

  One is a question ,I do  not think anyone can answer  , We know God confounded  the languages /many peoples tongues and nations [Gen 11]   The   first question  , Everyone is going to have to learn the heavenly language to be ONE WITH GOD  correct ? 
  This made me think outside the box  that seems everyone has to at least consider in Gods wisdom as  a glorious   wonder !!

Question 2   is   this ,   What if the carnal mind is exactly  how we lean on our own understanding and if being carnally minded is death  ,  we have to  come to the conclusion that only LIFE can spring forth out of   death in order  for   GODS WORD  to return to Him in purpose  and meaning right ?

I have found the bible is the best source of comfort in finding  meaning by the Holy Spirit actually quicking it  , those aha  !
moments  , when the light shines  in a bright spot , it is like grasping  at something and reaching up into a higher   realm and mind of Christ   reward , satisfying   that desire to Know God more intimately  .

I wonder how we all will communicate  in the heavenly realm ? ,  :HeartThrob:   it sure will not be at all like this world and times  we are set in right now    :2c:   
Another scripture  that helped was the realization that the Holy Spirit intercedes with groanings /no words  :eek:  on our behalf when we are trying to pray to God and don't know exactly   what to ask Him for ..
For me ,it is like the connection is  expressed in LOVE  and love is a very hard thing to describe  in words just as difficult as GOD  is to describe in  a few words also   , and means different things  to everyone  when asked .

Strong's G165 - aiōn
αἰών
Transliteration

aiōn

Pronunciation

ī-ō'n (Key)


Part of Speech

masculine noun
Root Word (Etymology)

From the same as ἀεί (G104)

TDNT Reference

1:197,31

Vines

View Entry

Outline of Biblical Usage
for ever, an unbroken age, perpetuity of time, eternity

the worlds, universe

period of time, age




Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 128
AV — ever 71, world 38, never + 3364 + 1519 + 3588 6, evermore 4, age 2, eternal 2, misc 5
Strong's Definition (Help) (Legend)
αἰών aiṓn, ahee-ohn'; from the same as G104; properly, an age; by extension, perpetuity (also past); by implication, the world; specially (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future):—age, course, eternal, (for) ever(-more), (n-)ever, (beginning of the , while the) world (began, without end). Compare G5550.


perpetuity of time [ same thing over and over again  just as before and is now and comes after  even , as nothing new under the sun   that happens to  everyone born of Adam /mankind   experiencing  ''all things ''   , but  what is happening in the SON / SUN  now   as the     light of the world     is  glorious   and above  and beyond  imagination ! .... my  :2c:   

[marie glen]

https://s3.amazonaws.com/unsearchablerich/booksonwebsite/%C2%A9CPC+The+Greek+Word+AION-AIONIOS.pdf

I read the last two pages.. "APPENDIX. AIDIOS" which was very informative!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[anti_nietzsche]

I think usually aionios or aion mean a long timespan, but not literal endless eternity. And "eternal life" means to know God, and only God himself is truly eternal in the infinite sense and it's the fact that we live with God that gives us truly infinite life. And God has an interest in everyone of us as his creations and offspring. Sins cannot change this eternal interest of God. I believe sin is a problem that will persist in eternal life too - I cannot conceive of a life that has no sin or the capacity of making errors in it. What matters if that we recognize sin and know what to do with it, ie going to God for forgiveness and he makes it right for us. And remember that Heaven is a place where life is fundamentally different because the metaphysical construction of heaven is such. Like when on Earth we are preoccupied with our freedom in Heaven we are preoccupied with love and goodness. Here it hurts to make sacrifices in Heaven making sacrifices makes you happy. Here we have to deal with  negative feelings in heaven you can wish them away, I believe.

About aionios, I think usually in the bible they mean it like when someone says, "It took me forever to find my keys in the house.". IE, not infinite eternity, but a long time. Imagine those who have sinned and go into a monastery to get clean of it, not because of a terror of God but because of shame after having rediscovered their dignity.

[GodIsLove]

About aionios, I think usually in the bible they mean it like when someone says, "It took me forever to find my keys in the house.". IE, not infinite eternity, but a long time. Imagine those who have sinned and go into a monastery to get clean of it, not because of a terror of God but because of shame after having rediscovered their dignity.

:thumbsup:

[WhiteWings]

If this thread need be moved or is not necessary, I apologize.  :newb:

I had a question regarding the studies of aion/aionios. I understand aion to mean age, and I've heard that aionios is age-abiding or of the age, etc.

Is this a grammatical thing? Like I wouldn't say "God love me", but rather, "God loves me" to avoid grammatical error, although both messages are the same?

Where can I find information on this?

Scroll about halfway this page to "Forever or age-during?"

Book on Aion: http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Aion_lim.html

[DavidFord]

Specifically, just for fun, I'm looking at.... (Mat 25:46)

The NT was originally written in Aramaic, not Greek.  Aramaic is a sister language of Hebrew, and insight on NT Aramaic passages can be obtained by looking at the OT Hebrew.
The Peshi++a Tool at dukhrana.com is very valuable.

I'll be looking over
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/6.htm
for insight into the NT Aramaic 'perish.'  I got there from
http://biblecc.com/

which also got me to:
http://biblehub.net/searchhebrew.php?q=everlasting
5957. alam
https://biblehub.com/str/hebrew/5957.htm
5769. olam
https://biblehub.com/str/hebrew/5769.htm

Mt 25:46  And these will depart l'thshniqa-d'l'ailm [to-torment of-to-the world/age, i.e. to the world/age of torment],
and the zadiqa [righteous] l'khia-d'l'ailm [to-life of-to-the world/age, i.e. to the world/age of life]."

[jabcat]

The NT was originally written in Aramaic, not Greek.

A lot of varying opinions on that; how much, what parts, if any.   :dontknow:

[rodgertutt]

A COMMON ARGUMENT ADDRESSED

Up until the time of Augustine, most Christians believed in universal salvation.

Dr. Edwin Abbott, headmaster of the City of London School, wrote in his Cambridge Sermons -
QUOTE: "An argument was introduced by Augustine, and since his day incessantly repeated, that if aionios kolasis does not mean "endless punishment," then there is no security for the believer that aionios zoe means "endless life," and that he will enjoy the promise of endless happiness. But Matt. 25:46 shows the "eonian chastisement" and "eonian life" are of the same duration-lasting during the eons, and when the eons end, as Scripture states they will (1 Cor. 10:11; Heb. 9:26), the time called "eonian" is past and the life called "eonian" is finished, but life continues beyond the eons, as Paul teaches at 1 Cor. 15:26: "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death." (which must refer to the lake of fire which is the second death, for the first death cannot be the last enemy). That is, the last, the final one in order. How will it be destroyed? First Corinthians 15:22 gives the answer: "For as IN ADAM ALL are dying, even so IN CHRIST ALL shall be made alive." Death is destroyed when ALL have been made alive, IN CHRIST."
-- Dr. Edwin Abbott

Note God's wording
In Christ all shall be made alive
not
All who are in Christ shall be made alive

GOD'S PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
"During the present wicked eon (Gal.1:4), Sin reigns, Satan who is said to be "the god of this eon" (2 Cor.4:4) blinds and deceives mankind, and death swallows up the race (1 Cor.15:22). But notwithstanding, God is over all and is in supreme control. He is the eonian God. In due time He will deliver the entire creation and bring good out of all the suffering mankind is called upon to endure (Rom.8;18-23)."

GOD'S PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
THE EONS OF THE BIBLE WITH CONCORDANCE
http://www.saviourofall.org/Tracts/Eons2.html 

Universalism:
The Prevailing Doctrine Of the Christian Church During Its First Five-Hundred Years
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Prevailing.html
And they were reading the Bible in its original language!

[marie glen]

The NT was originally written in Aramaic, not Greek.

A lot of varying opinions on that; how much, what parts, if any.   :dontknow:

:iagree: I tend to think Jesus spoke Aramaic, sounds very logical, so maybe some of the gospels were written in Aramaic? (interestingly is Paul says when Jesus spoke to him on the road to Damascus, he spoke in Aramaic.)

I have to think the original letters of Paul how most were written to gentile groups of believers who, I believe spoke Greek(?) And by time gathered into a collection.. copied..

Yep, I don't think we can know for sure.

I just never noticed before, and thought it cool Paul noted that Jesus spoke to him in Aramaic..
:Chinscratch: So maybe that is making a differentiation.. Interesting.. now I'm wondering how wide spread Aramaic was.. did only Israel and surrounding area speak it in those days.. and the Roman/greek world spoke greek(? That's what I've always assumed.)

(For me, usually the final word on a verse will be the word for word interlinear and cross reference. Only then different versions, then commentary. :dontknow: )

[marie glen]

Amen Roger :thumbsup:

Also in another thread - http://tentmaker.org/forum/welcome-central/so-you-say-prove-to-me-there-is-a-god/msg210863/?topicseen#msg210863 - is an excellent post by EW, about "life". And just what "eternal life" is. The posts complement one another very well!

[jabcat]

The NT was originally written in Aramaic, not Greek.

A lot of varying opinions on that; how much, what parts, if any.   :dontknow:

:iagree: I tend to think Jesus spoke Aramaic, sounds very logical, so maybe some of the gospels were written in Aramaic? (interestingly is Paul says when Jesus spoke to him on the road to Damascus, he spoke in Aramaic.)

I have to think the original letters of Paul how most were written to gentile groups of believers who, I believe spoke Greek(?) And by time gathered into a collection.. copied..

Yep, I don't think we can know for sure.

I just never noticed before, and thought it cool Paul noted that Jesus spoke to him in Aramaic..
:Chinscratch: So maybe that is making a differentiation.. Interesting.. now I'm wondering how wide spread Aramaic was.. did only Israel and surrounding area speak it in those days.. and the Roman/greek world spoke greek(? That's what I've always assumed.)

(For me, usually the final word on a verse will be the word for word interlinear and cross reference. Only then different versions, then commentary. :dontknow: )

With my limited knowledge of it, I think you're right on the mark.  Maybe one/some of the gospels in Aramaic, much or all of the rest in Greek due to the primary contextual intended audience?  I tend to think what we have right now is opinions, that it hasn't been proven indisputably either way.   :2c:

[DavidFord]

Paul says when Jesus spoke to him on the road to Damascus, he spoke in Aramaic

Search of NIV for "Aramaic"
biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=aramaic&qs_version=NIV
John 19:20  Many of the Jews read this sign, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city, and the sign was written in Aramaic, Latin and Greek.
John 20:16  Jesus said to her, "Mary." She turned toward him and cried out in Aramaic, "Rabboni!" (which means "Teacher").
Acts 21:40  After receiving the commander's permission, Paul stood on the steps and motioned to the crowd. When they were all silent, he said to them in Aramaic:
Acts 22:2  When they heard him speak to them in Aramaic, they became very quiet. Then Paul said:
Acts 26:14  We all fell to the ground, and I heard a voice saying to me in Aramaic, 'Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.'

"now I'm wondering how wide spread Aramaic was"

George M. Lamsa's Introduction (probably to his translation into English of the Aramaic OT-- itself a translation from Hebrew, with a little original Aramaic e.g. in Daniel-- and the original-language Aramaic NT)
amallulla.org/lamsa/
The Persians used the Aramaic language because this tongue was the language of the two Semitic empires, the empire of Assyria and the empire of Babylon. Aramaic was so firmly established as the lingua franca that no government could dispense with its use as a vehicle of expression in a far-flung empire, especially in the western provinces. Moreover, without schools and other modern facilities, Aramaic could not be replaced by the speech of conquering nations. Conquerors were not interested in imposing their languages and cultures on subjugated peoples. What they wanted was taxes, spoils, and other levies. 
The transition from Aramaic into Arabic, a sister tongue, took place after the conquest of the Near East by the Moslem armies in the 7th century, A.D.

"For me, usually the final word on a verse will be the word for word interlinear and cross reference. Only then different versions, then commentary."

Your word for word NT interlinears are working with Greek, which was translated from the original Aramaic.  The powerful Peshi++a Tool at dukhrana.com allows one to examine the original Aramaic and see a word by word translation. 
Janet Magiera has a pricey 3-volume interlinear, to be paired with a pricey concordance.
amazon.com/Janet-M-Magiera/e/B00J2C477Y/

Magiera has an online interlinear search:
http://aramaicdb.lightofword.org/index.php/en/interlinear-search

David Bauscher has his _The Aramaic-English Interlinear New Testament_.
lulu.com/shop/rev-david-bauscher/the-aramaic-english-interlinear-new-testament/hardcover/product-4490765.html
for which the scriptures but not endnotes are online at
https://biblehub.com/aramaic-plain-english/matthew/1.htm

Paul Younan has interlinears for Mt-Acts 16 at peshi tta.org, and they're also at 
https://biblehub.com/aramaic-plain-english/matthew/1.htm clicking on "Interlin. Gospels"

[DavidFord]

Maybe one/some of the gospels in Aramaic, much or all of the rest in Greek due to the primary contextual intended audience?

mistranslation for Rev 2:22

Going from the original Aramaic to Greek to English yields having a whore/prostitute who leads God's servants into sexual immorality being cast into a _bed_ of all places:

Revelation 2:20-22 KJV
Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee,
because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel,
which calleth herself a prophetess,
to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication,
and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
And I gave her space to repent of her fornication;
and she repented not.
Behold, I will cast her into a bed,
and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation,
except they repent of their deeds.

After the word "bed," the MOUNCE added into its rendition-- without telling the unsuspecting reader-- added in the quite significant phrase "of suffering," to yield "I will throw her onto a bed of suffering." This sleight of hand is revealed by clicking on the phrase to see the Greek word "kline" defined as merely "a couch, bed."

The original Aramaic word involved has the letters "ai r s a."
Copying and pasting the Aramaic word (denoted on a particular keyboard with the sequence "0sr9") into the lexicon at peshi tta.org yields these definitions:
pallet, bier, bed.
The word is at Mark 2:4, 4:21, Luke 7:14, 8:16, 17:34, among other places.
For a second opinion, I searched for the sequence "(rS)" at
dukhrana.com/lexicon/Jennings/index.php
to see on page 168, in about the middle of the page,
"a bed, pallet. . . . a litter, bier"
and some concordance entries: Mt 9:2, Lk 7:14, and Mk 6:55. Lk 7:14 has Jesus touching a bier/ coffin. (If you have Janet Magiera's concordance, it's word number 1897. Or you could do a lexeme search for "0sr9" in the lexicon at peshi tta.org

Interestingly, the Greek translator of Lk 7:14 came up with the Greek word "soros," defined as "a coffer; an urn for receiving the ashes of the dead; a coffin; in NT a bier."

For Rev 2:22, instead of "bed," a better translation choice would be "bier," which is "a stand on which a corpse or coffin is placed; _also_: a coffin together with its stand."-- merriam-webster

Hence, we could get:
"Behold, I will cast her [Jezebel] onto a bier [or: into a coffin],
and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation,
except they repent of their deeds."

[DavidFord]

Maybe one/some of the gospels in Aramaic

All 4 Gospels were originally in Aramaic.

"much or all of the rest in Greek"

mistranslation for Acts 2:24
The Greek manuscripts have a mistranslation for Acts 2:24, which when translated well reads:
"But Allaha [God] loosed the *cords* of Sheol [the Grave/Death] and raised him [Yeshua/Jesus] because it was not possible that he be held in it, in Sheol."
Re: cords, the Greek versions mistranslated this word as 'pain.' Cf. Jn 2:15 & 2 Samuel 22:6. —Paul Younan of Peshi tta.org

mistranslation for Acts 5:13
The Greek manuscripts have a mistranslation for Acts 5:13, which when translated well reads:
And there was a great fear in all the eidta [congregation], and in all those who heard.
And many mighty deeds and signs occurred by the hands of the Shelikha [Apostles] among the people. And they were all assembled together in the Porch of Shlemon [Soloman].
13. And of other men, not one dared to *touch* them,
rather the people magnified them.
Re: touch, this word can mean "join/commune" but also "touch," the latter undoubtedly being the correct reading. The Greek versions mistranslated this word as "join."--PY
mistranslation for Acts 8:23

mistranslation for Acts 8:23
The Greek manuscripts have a mistranslation for Acts 8:23, which when translated well reads:
"But repent of this your evil and beseech Allaha [God]. Perhaps you [Simon the sorcerer] will be forgiven the guile of your heart.
23. For I [Shimon Keepa/ Simon Peter] see that you are in bitter *anger*
and in the bonds of iniquity."
Re: anger, the Aramaic word kabda can mean gall/liver/anger. The Greek versions mistranslate "bitter kabda" as "gall of bitterness" instead of the more contextually proper "bitter anger."--PY

mistranslation for Acts 8:27
The Greek manuscripts have a mistranslation for Acts 8:27, which when translated well reads:
"And he [Pileepos/ Philip] arose (and) went and met a certain *mahaymina* [believer] who had come from Cush, an official of Qandeq, the malkta [queen] of the Cushi tes, and he was an authority over all her treasures. And he had come to worship in Urishlim."
Re: MHYMNA, it can mean either 'believer' or 'eunuch'-- or many similar things. The Greek versions mistranslate this as 'eunuch' instead of the more contextually correct 'believer.'--PY. The Ethiopian _believer_ was intending to worship in Jerusalem, presumably in the temple there-- which eunuchs were prohibited from doing by Deut 23:2. Cf. Mt 19:12.

mistranslation for Acts 12:20
The Greek manuscripts have a mistranslation for Acts 12:20, which when translated well reads:
"And because he [King Herodus Agripus] was angry at the Tyrians and at the Sidonians, they gathered and came to him as one and persuaded Blastus, the chamberlain of the malka [king], and asked of him that (they) might have *shayna* [cultivated land], because the provision of their country was from the kingdom of Herodus."
Re: shayna, the Greek manuscripts mistranslate this Aramaic word as "peace"; a possible secondary meaning of the word is "cultivated land" (cf. Yaqub/James 3:18 also mistranslated by the Greeks)-- this reading makes far more sense contextually in a time of famine (cf. Acts 11:28.)-- PY.

[jabcat]

All 4 Gospels were originally in Aramaic.

It's possible, but since it's not indisputably proven, why keep stating it as it's an absolute fact?  We encourage posting here as "IMO", "as I understand", "I believe" etc. 

With every belief/opinion as to the original language of scripture, each can show "evidence".  I think it's what you believe, and that's fine, but others aren't so sure, and it's been called to my attention by another member.  Let's leave it open for discussion and consideration rather than getting stuck on declaring it repeatedly as the only option.  Thanks.

[DavidFord]

It's possible, but since it's not indisputably proven, why keep stating it as it's an absolute fact?

I have trouble with "why"—please rephrase the question without "why."
What are 3 things you consider "indisputably proven"?
Is this "indisputably proven"?:
https://www.tentmaker.org/
"The Bible, correctly translated teaches Jesus Christ, the Chosen One of our heavenly Father will save the whole world. Hell will be empty when Jesus and His believers (His called out ones) are finished."

"With every belief/opinion as to the original language of scripture, each can show 'evidence'"
What are the 3 strongest lines of evidence you're aware of supporting the claim that the NT was originally in Greek?
Do you think Jesus is liable to the Gehenna of fire?

Mt 5:22
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/5.htm
3004 [e]
eipē
εἴπῃ  ,
shall say

3474 [e]
Mōre
Μωρέ  ,
Fool
Adj-VMS

1777 [e]
enochos
ἔνοχος
liable

1510 [e]
estai
ἔσται
will be

1519 [e]
eis
εἰς
to

3588 [e]
tēn
τὴν
the

1067 [e]
geennan
γέενναν
hell

3588 [e]
tou
τοῦ
-

4442 [e]
pyros
πυρός  .
of fire

Mt 23:17
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/23.htm
3474 [e]
17   mōroi
17   μωροὶ
17   Foolish
17   Adj-VMP

2532 [e]
kai
καὶ
and

5185 [e]
typhloi
τυφλοί  !
blind

[jabcat]

I'm not trying to prove the NT was written in Greek necessarily.  At this point I'm talking as a mod about expected posting approach, and as you're a smart person I suspect you already know that.

You have your opinion, and that's fine.   This issue is addressed up front in the forum guidelines under Forum Guidelines and First Post, and carries an implied agreement prior to first post.

You probably have a lot to offer if you'll work with us a bit here :)   

Well anyway, thanks.

[DavidFord]

I'm not trying to prove the NT was written in Greek necessarily

That makes 2 of us.
"you have your opinion"
IMO, everybody does.
"you probably have a lot to offer if you'll work with us a bit here :)"
I'm trying.

"Forum Guidelines and First Post"
From there:   "there needs to be a respect for scripture in the discussion forum.  Accurately translated (as much as is currently possible) and revealed by the Spirit, they are reliable"

Do you think lepers in Jesus' Israel could entertain guests, e.g. Jesus and Jesus' disciples and the woman with the perfume jar?
Do you think the Simon mentioned below was:  a leper?  a potter?

Matthew 26:6-8 (NIV)
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew+26%3A6-8&version=NIV;MOUNCE
6 While Jesus was in Bethany in the home of Simon the Leper [Greek:  lepros], 7 a woman came to him with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, which she poured on his head as he was reclining at the table. 8 When the disciples saw this, they were indignant. "Why this waste?" they asked.

based on Younan, translated from Aramaic
http://www.dukhrana.com
And when Yeshua was in Beth-Aniya, in the house of Shimon the potter [grba:  leper; leprosy; _bottle, jar, pitcher, skin_], a woman approached him who had with her an alabaster vase of ointment which was a very precious perfume, and she poured it upon the head of Yeshua while he was reclining.  And his talmida [students] saw and it displeased them....

Leviticus 13:45-46 (NIV)
45 "Anyone with such a defiling disease must wear torn clothes, let their hair be unkempt, cover the lower part of their face and cry out, 'Unclean! Unclean!' 46 As long as they have the disease they remain unclean. They must live alone; they must live outside the camp.