Mike Parsons

[bushy]

I've listened to several videos by Mike Parsons and very happy about this one and wanted to share it.

https://youtu.be/5qAy4qWIu6E

[MusicLover123]

You may have missed it, but one comment on that video claims the verse "the dead know nothing" as the end point for one's potential salvation. "As in Adam all die, so also in Christ all shall be made alive" comes to mind.

Sounds pretty arbitrary to me.  :soap:

[Patinak]

Hey bushy,

I'd never heard of Mike Parsons.  I watched the video you mentioned and a couple of others last night. Quite an interesting fellow you found. I liked listening to him.

By the way, thanks for calling me for breakfast when you came in to Anchorage last month.  We'll have to get together again.

Pat

[bushy]

Thanks a ton, Pat. I was really glad I got to meet you too. It took a bit of nerve to actually dial up the number as I sat in Denny's but I'm sure glad I did. Everything worked out perfect.

I'm glad you liked Mike Parsons. He is a mentor and teacher to a lot of people and I think there is lots we can learn from him. About a year ago I heard him say in one of his videos that he thought few people would be in hell and he thought it would be stupid of them to be so stubborn. I was disappointed that he still believed in hell at all. So this revelation to him of the restoration of all things is recent and so welcome to me.

[bushy]

You may have missed it, but one comment on that video claims the verse "the dead know nothing" as the end point for one's potential salvation. "As in Adam all die, so also in Christ all shall be made alive" comes to mind.

Sounds pretty arbitrary to me.  :soap:

You're right. I missed the comment about the dead know nothing and still can't find it. And what's arbitrary about it?   :Chinscratch:

[joeteekay]

Eccles 9:5 (KJV) For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing....

:Peace2:

[MusicLover123]

You may have missed it, but one comment on that video claims the verse "the dead know nothing" as the end point for one's potential salvation. "As in Adam all die, so also in Christ all shall be made alive" comes to mind.

Sounds pretty arbitrary to me.  :soap:

You're right. I missed the comment about the dead know nothing and still can't find it. And what's arbitrary about it?   :Chinscratch:

Maybe that's not the best word...

If the commenter realized the resurrection of the dead(made alive) but still used that verse, that is where I would apply the word.  :dontknow:

Here's the comment I Is as talking about:

The dead know NOTHING, there asleep, so unless there still having dreams of which there NOT conscious of, or conversations of which we who are alive are forbidden to have with them, unless they are awakened and only if they fell asleep in Christ Jesus as I assume a prophet of God even before the time of Jesus advent of whom received the gospel of there salvation while being in sheol, evidently he awoke them to share the gospel with them, but beyond that there choices from that time on done.
    Be it either here on earth or in the grave, for the DEAD know NOTHING, then yes, there is a  end to any decision making at the time of DEATH, be it sleep or the natural death of the  un-regenerated soul. I liked his conversation but he's missing some scriptural truth and understanding no matter how good he might relate his experience. I think it's just another ear tickling for the sake of the un-repented so they can continue in sin and think they will get another chance in hell, wishful thinking NOT gospel truth. If the dead know nothing and they have to be awakened that pretty much precludes any decision making after our death, P&L ( : > ).

Here is a reply to the top comment on there too

Hell is eternal. Such fire is not of God. God's fire changes, hell's fire condemns/torments. We cannot decide to be saved after we die. Read the gospels and Rev. The captivity that was set free was before the manifestation of the Son of God. There were believers of the God of Israel, they were judge by the law of  their conscience. They were NOT in hell, they were in paradise. WARNING. If you lose your soul, you will not get it back. Once in hell you will  remain in hell. Hades and hell were cast into the lake of fire. ...and, those whose names were NOT written in the book of life of the lamb  of God were cast into the lake of  fire.

[rosered]

   :2c:   I believe we should  obey the Lord and follow Jesus , being the truth and way and the Life

He said it and I believe  it ..   Let   the dead bury the dead

Luke 9

57As they were walking along the road, someone said to Jesus, "I will follow You wherever You go."

58Jesus replied, "Foxes have dens and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay His head."

59 Then He said to another man, "Follow Me."

"Lord," the man replied, "first let me go and bury my father."

60But Jesus told him, "Let the dead bury their own dead. You, however, go and proclaim the kingdom of God."


We have to draw close to God  and He will draw close to us  and the new LIFE IN CHRIST  is established   and made known

   no longer allowing the works of satans lie  to have power over us , the works of satan is death , fruitless and meaningless    existence  futility and failures    and misery   in the error    of  spirits of dead men walking of the world   , spirits of evil   and slaves to sin or   the Spirit of Life   working in you , the greater works  Jesus speaks of because He is with the FATHER ...

  1 John 4 Testing the Spirits


...5They are of the world. That is why they speak from the world's perspective, and the world listens to them.


6We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us.


That is how we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of deception.


7Beloved, let us love one another, because love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God....

   John 14 The Way, the Truth, and the Life


...11Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me—or at least believe on account of the works themselves.


12Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever believes in Me will also do the works that I am doing.


He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.


13  And I will do whatever you ask in My name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son....

[Andrew]

I watched a video of this Mike Parsons and he makes a lot of sense. I like how he he said that death does not change the character of God - if he will forgive us while alive then why not after death. The one thing that I'm curious about is when he brings up Jesus preaching to the spirits in prizon which he interprets as Hades or sheol - could that be a different place than the ghenna hell that Jesus preached. Like maybe sheol is for people who never heard the good news while ghenna is a place for those who have rejected Christ therefore Christ didn't preach there.

[GodIsLove]

https://www.jba.gr/spirits-in-prison.htm

Sounds like a plausible interpretation of the passage. I've read a lot of interpretations and this one resonated with me.

[Andrew]

posted by God is love

https://www.jba.gr/spirits-in-prison.htm


Well that makes me feel a lot worse. So when Mike Parsons says he went to where God's fire was (prison) and preached to the dead people and some followed him out and Jesus says something along the lines of what I have done you will do and greater - now it sounds like it could be that Mike is decieved as the link you gave says that Jesus declared his victory to the angels in prizon. Am i ever going to be at peace with universal salvation.   

[GodIsLove]

Hm, I don't know...

To me the passage was always confusing—why were these peoples' spirits in prison if they hadn't even gotten the chance to hear the gospel? They were basically being punished for something they had no control over (the era they were born, pre Jesus). Why is it called prison and not hell or Sheol or something?  And why were they just spirits from Noah's time then? Why not also those who lived before or after? And what about the ressurection and then the judgement—why are these spirits even conscious and again, being punished before the appointed time?

There's not going to be a preacher who is infalliable. The Catholics try to say the pope is and that's caused all sorts of issues.

If you are searching for if UR is true or not I recommend prayer and trusting God to show you. Being where you are, unsure and searching and even being tormented by fear and confusion, is not a good place to be, but many of us have been there and can relate. Roger Tutt for example, try to find his story on here. I experienced a period of intense fear for family and friends and just people in general about hell, and couldn't sleep at night. Somehow I stumbled here and read some articles, became filled with a shaky hope...shared this hope with others and was told it was wrong and dangerous to not believe in hell...then had confusion, more fear, you get the idea. I was consumed with finding the truth. I finally desperately prayed to God to show me the truth, and then immediately after that really heartfelt and sincere prayer I read the "...every knee shall bow" passage in the Bible and I just knew without a doubt that this was God's answer.

There will always be confusion if you read different human's opinions, try to go to God.

[Patinak]

GodIsLove,

I appreciate the link that you put up about 1 Peter 3:19.

I have always had a hard time with this one for the same reasons you mentioned.

And like it did for you, this explanation resonated with me also.  Good find.

For some reason, I had that verse from 1 Peter as being directly related to the event of Matt. 27:52-53 ( 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus' resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared to many people.) :doh:

Andrew,
I went back and watched the Mike Parsons video again.  I don't see where he ever said that the people in God's fire were in "prison".

Interesting thread y'all.
Pat

[rosered]

  I so appreciate you diligence  God  is   Love!! 
  You remind me so much of   my own search  for truth , I too asked Jesus  to show me    the way  and truth and the Life many years ago , and had me  searching out everything   for hours on end , but staying  loyal and true to the scriptures  only . and any questions I had  I prayed and asked HIM  to show me  please  , because I do not understand !

  The Lord did not let me read and get in to a lot of mens writings  , but veiled them  , I could only watch 5 min of this guy ..

  He seems to be looking for links of  heritage  of  men and   gods /spirits ,,,,  I can only see this   kind of teaching as the mixing of Babylon  , the confusion by mixing what God has clearly separated    from the beginning and JESUS   IS THAT SWORD   or Word of  Truth = separation ....   the great gulf fixed   or the flaming Sword in the Garden of God

Jesus Christ  is actually the name given under heaven   for salvation , but in Truth   He literally is EVERYTHING ... :2c:



I know the HOLY SPIRIT is the ultimate and True   teacher , because it is the   Holy Spirit and FIRE  baptism

This fire dries up the flood  of lies ....  from all the waters /voices from below .    This is what the Lord has given  me and  comforted me with  , that is hard for others to   grasp .. and considered an opinion  or judgement   .
.
  When the Lord Jesus Christ  openly showed  , by removing the veil  though His own flesh , at  the CROSS , it was how to   SEE GOD AND HEAVEN  and all things really    as  the truth is  open   for business .

The new and LIVING way ..

When you read Gen 1   it was all spiritual in nature and  no flesh  or blood was  present  , you can see all the host of heaven was already  created by God   Himself and was  good

  Gen 2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,


  It to me is when God made man out of the dust of the earth[  moulded in bodies  of clay ]   in the Gen 2   It become obvious     that   Gods purpose was  creating   and fashioning  a pattern   or covering  that satan would be  allowed to  eat  as food /consume , turning one over to satan for the destruction of the flesh  , so in the DAY OF THE LORD   his spirit would be saved ...  but this was satan's limit     ,  as we now understand what it is to be vexed in the spirit   by the works of the flesh  , this is all satan could do was tempt us though the flesh and  LIE about GOD .  you shall not surly die ..
When lust / desire comes though the  dead works of the flesh .. I can see God in His Wisdom    as proving   to us all  by our flesh  and how very temporary it is  and how  the confusion by mixing  of the two  laws    one is  ministering death and the other is ministering  Life ,,, are and how this violates  God ,   as trespass and missing the mark of the higher calling  spiritually  , by walking in the Spirit of Life   and no longer focusing on the dead works  of being mortal  by missing out   and as judged already  as  nothing /the gods  or spirits  in men  to be tested by  these very things !!..
 
I was blessed to  understand   some of   this by the scripture ,     by the spirits of just men made perfect   by the  signed in blood / life is in the blood  when it is spilled  on the ground   , this is how Abel is still able   to cry out to God for  vengeance  against  evil forces  , but JESUS   kept silent  and forgave   those  spirits  by  NOT holding their[Ignorance ] causing  trespasses against HIM ... all they have to do is believe in the TRUTH  and obey  the TRUTH  by faith   

  Hebrews  12 An Unshakable Kingdom


...22Instead, you have come to Mount Zion,

to the city of the living God,

the heavenly Jerusalem.


You have come to myriads of angels


23in joyful assembly, to the congregation of the firstborn,

enrolled in heaven.

You have come to God the judge of all men, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect,


24to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel....

Under the law of  good / life and evil  /death    is ours  ,  we are told to always choose the good  part that cannot be  taken away , but is precious in Gods sight       this tree is presented as the   good to come , but the perfect is the tree of Life  as to gaining and  granted to eat from   Jesus Christ Himself
   The tree of Life     is   the completed  and finished work   of   Jesus Cross   as heaven open  for all ,  When He done this  ,  He  brought everyone and anyone the   opportunity  to    bridge the  gulf fixed   and grant the right to the tree of Life in GODS   garden

  The one man on his  cross with JESUS IN THE MIDST of the two thieves  /criminals  was given that  access   to paradise that very  DAY  by confessing the Lords innocence and his own shame   ...  This is our pattern    to me  as the old man of sin  that does not acknowledge his error   nor see Jesus as the  pure and Holy One   taking   the sins of the whole world upon Himself  nor grateful and thankful  but still accuatory    and is never mentioned again!

Jesus also  when  Being baptized  in death on that cross as we are   putting Him to death by our own sins    are also to be  experiencing     this  same cross as our example  that we are to be taking up  also and dying for the sins of others  as Jesus has done for us   as Paul explains in other scriptures   when you can see them  clearly and not veiled any longer


We know by the   Holy Spirit and fire that Jesus would bring  in  the   conviction and  chastening   by the fiery trials of faith to be tested   as  worthy  and  righteousness   is granted  though the testing  into of the spirits in all mankind      the ones /goats on the left and the sheep on the right side   to be shepherded by Him /ONE  Holy Spirit    , Father and & SON AND THE HOST OF HEAVEN   [ Luke 12  48-51]  48 But someone who does not know, and then does something wrong, will be punished only lightly. When someone has been given much, much will be required in return; and when someone has been entrusted with much, even more will be required.

Jesus Causes Division !    The sheep and the  goats  , Judgment  seat of Christ   , under the the old law and    now the new law  covenants   
49 "I have come to set the world on fire, and I wish it were already burning! 50 I have a terrible baptism of suffering ahead of me, and I am under a heavy burden until it is accomplished. 51 Do you think I have come to bring peace to the earth? No, I have come to divide people against each other!

the old law is  still under the ministration of  life and death  ,   Life and death are in the power of the tongue Pro18  21Death and life are in the power of the tongue, And those who love it will eat its fruit.

   this is the sheepfold and the goats lot  in the spirit in a man  , the just and unjust still

   the sheepfold is under His authority and given pasture  and green  living things  , life  by being obedient to GOD  by faith
  we see the world and   salvation  is just that 
preservation or deliverance from harm, ruin, or loss in this present time , because by faith you trust in Gods will and you can  now discern what manner of spirit you are of  by following Jesus !!

James and John had not been baptised by the Holy Spirit and fire yet[  to Come after Jesus Resurrection  when the  new law of Life had come into full effect  after His death ] , and were still under the influence of the  old covenant    that was without mercy  under two or 3 witnesses  , they wanted to destroy the city rejecting  Jesus Words of Life  as  Jesus come to explain this to His  chosen   and bear with them and  rebuke them   from continuing  vengeance by the wrath of man that does not work the righteousness of GOD   only Jesus  could do  , by forgiveness  of sins   , Jesus is the Sabbath rest  , that we must come to  receive  Gods perfecting  blessings from   , rest in the souls that Adam was created as    with that breath in Him .
 
Jesus Christ is  the end  and  7th Day   as the LORDS   DAY    or GREATER  WORKS  BEING COMPLETED /DONE ..  REST as subjected to the FATHER / GOD HIMSELF  [Hebrews 4 ]   and   Rev 1  the Lords DAY . 10 On the Lord's day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet,   everything is done in 7's     days or seven  times or  7 thousand   times or 70  times 7     etc   a pattern   for sure  for believers ...   
   John was in the Spirit not the flesh at all    when He was told the write this all down and everything sealed  in Daniels 12 would be opened  by Revelations  and ,of ,by ,and for,  with   though Our Lord  Jesus Christ !!!

1  Cor 15 20 But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits,

then at his coming those who belong to Christ.

24 Then comes the end,

when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power.


25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.


26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.


27 For "God has put all things in subjection under his feet." But when it says, "all things are put in subjection," it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him.

28 When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.

  God rested on the   the 7th day    but Jesus does the works  as we rest in Him  Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath  , the Sabbath was made   for man , not man for the Sabbath rest  7th DAY  THE DAY OF THE LORD 

Rest for the Weary
(Luke 10:21-24)

25At that time Jesus declared, "I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. 26Yes, Father, for this was well-pleasing in Your sight.

27All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him.

28Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me; for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30For My yoke is easy and My burden is light."
   My :2c:  this is exactly what Jesus Christ is doing , those greater   SABBATH  rest  works  of Life  by raising the dead  to Life again ,  think how death is destroyed   by the LIFE IN CHRIST  , Oh death where is your sting ??   What enemy of the cross of Jesus Christ can you remain  ? !!!!
Hell is the grave and   Gheena   is the fire  of the HOLY SPIRIT and fire ,  GOD IS THE  HOLY SPIRIT  OF CONSUMING FIRE
  destroying  every evil  thing  , if the wages of sin is death   we are all bought back by the   LIFE IN CHRIST ,ALL  GLORY IS AL GODS DOING   though Jesus Christ , the LOVE OF GOD prevails  over death   by sending  His Son   and prove more powerful than opposing forces;
and will be victorious.     

[marie glen]

That whole verse about Jesus "visiting souls in prison" 

1 Peter 3:19 - Biblehub's interlinear says it like this - "..having been put to death indeed in the flesh having been made alive however in the Spirit in which also (Spirit) to the in prison spirits (pneuma: breath, wind, spirit) having gone He preached. {"prison from a root word meaning watch, guard} having disobeyed at one time when was waiting the of God patience in days of Noah being prepared the ark in which a few that is eight souls were saved through water." -  :Chinscratch: those eight are alive and called eight souls safe in the wooden ark..

:dontknow: logic suggests to me that it means Jesus went in Spirit to those souls that were outside the ark while it was being built.. in the Spirit seeking to tell them to get in the ark.. because a hard rain was gonna fall..

Some interesting images.. which I have to say I like, but the image of it doesn't ring true to me.. languishing for hundreds of years..But :dontknow: who knows. - https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://mattcapps.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/he-descended-2.jpg&imgrefurl=https://matthewzcapps.com/2015/09/16/the-spirits-in-prison-in-1-peter-319-20/&h=427&w=800&tbnid=gBv5PFL5Bz8t4M:&tbnh=160&tbnw=299&usg=__CcCfvaigt0zIUcl4ecAHhWi2G9w%3D&vet=10ahUKEwi73_a9y8faAhWK3YMKHXkAC00Q9QEILTAA..i&docid=W7_HhZEcAgEOJM&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi73_a9y8faAhWK3YMKHXkAC00Q9QEILTAA#h=427&imgdii=gBv5PFL5Bz8t4M:&tbnh=160&tbnw=299&vet=10ahUKEwi73_a9y8faAhWK3YMKHXkAC00Q9QEILTAA..i&w=800

Either way it supports far more, U.R. than E.T. :thumbsup:

[rosered]

That whole verse about Jesus "visiting souls in prison" 

1 Peter 3:19 - Biblehub's interlinear says it like this - "..having been put to death indeed in the flesh having been made alive however in the Spirit in which also (Spirit) to the in prison spirits (pneuma: breath, wind, spirit) having gone He preached. {"prison from a root word meaning watch, guard} having disobeyed at one time when was waiting the of God patience in days of Noah being prepared the ark in which a few that is eight souls were saved through water." -  :Chinscratch: those eight are alive and called eight souls safe in the wooden ark..

:dontknow: logic suggests to me that it means Jesus went in Spirit to those souls that were outside the ark while it was being built.. in the Spirit seeking to tell them to get in the ark.. because a hard rain was gonna fall..

:iagree:   spirits that   are trapped in   death/prison  ,, while those 3 days were going on and Jesus Spirit was  among them , but death could hold Him

  Acts 2 22Men of Israel, listen to this message: Jesus of Nazareth was a man certified by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs, which God did among you through Him, as you yourselves know.

23He was handed over by God's set plan and foreknowledge, and you, by the hands of the lawless, put Him to death by nailing Him to the cross.


24But God raised Him from the dead, releasing Him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for Him to be held in its clutches.

25David says about Him:

'I saw the Lord always before me;

because He is at my right hand,

I will not be shaken.

26Therefore my heart is glad

and my tongue rejoices,

my body also will live in hope,

27because You will not abandon my soul to Hades,

nor will You let Your Holy One see decay.

28You have made known to me the paths of life,

You will fill me with joy in Your presence.'   

  we are to worship God in the Spirit  of truth

John 16:13 English Standard Version (ESV)
13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth,


for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak,

and he will declare to you the things that are to come.

[marie glen]

Amen! death could not hold Him.. but I lean toward thinking He was dead for the 3 days and nights.. and preached via the Spirit to those who perished in the flood while the ark was being built.. I can't get myself to think of death as another form of living.. Even if death as metaphor refers to a spiritual condition.. I believe it's a spiritual condition, because in the carnal character, not yet born again, one is on the path to death, and w/o God's intervention / the cross of Jesus - "the soul that sins it shall die". And with His redemption, when we rise we will put on immortality.. (And glory, we shall be like Him! all carnal character gone.. the past things of carnality no longer ever coming to mind!)

But one day, dear sister, we will know for sure what the state of death before resurrection is..
Even though we both feel we know for sure now! :laughing7:
   :Peace2: :HeartThrob:

[rosered]

Amen! death could not hold Him.. but I lean toward thinking He was dead for the 3 days and nights.. and preached via the Spirit to those who perished in the flood while the ark was being built.. I can't get myself to think of death as another form of living.. Even if death as metaphor refers to a spiritual condition.. I believe it's a spiritual condition, because in the carnal character, not yet born again, one is on the path to death, and w/o God's intervention / the cross of Jesus - "the soul that sins it shall die". And with His redemption, when we rise we will put on immortality.. (And glory, we shall be like Him! all carnal character gone.. the past things of carnality no longer ever coming to mind!)

But one day, dear sister, we will know for sure what the state of death before resurrection is..
Even though we both feel we know for sure now! :laughing7:
   :Peace2: :HeartThrob:

  :iagree:   I agree with what you are saying Marie ,
  but also the scriptures speak of   all being locked up under the law of sin and death .
  In Adam  [mankind ] all die
  It is a    being bound to sin nature   and not born again of  Holy  Spirit  as of yet   [Jesus  breathed on them , faith comes by   hearing what the Spirit is saying [ John 3 ]  ..  :thumbsup:
 

  Jesus is the good news , logically speaking  ,   For God to have mercy on all , all must be given the same  testimony /witness .
   The finished work of the Cross would have to include them also and  none could  go forward with out us or us them   , logically speaking .     :2c:

:HeartThrob: