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[rosered]

So could it be true that even if Jesus is returning in year XXXX, it's a little/vastly more complex than that?
That those that believe in Him are with Him now. Alive. ???

I used to be thinking that you stay dead until Resurrection. As you mentioned, I don't think it is as simple as some make it. Was it changed at Christ's Resurrection?

For example, "The dead know nothing" from Ecclesiastes. What if it is actually referring to carnal/natural state of man?

I would not mind either way though. I do not want to wait hundreds/thousands/millions of years until having the full experience  :dunno2:

  I used to  not know  anything   about God  at all . when I was  very young  maybe 6  to my teen  years .

I used to wonder  if   everyone  laid in their graves   waiting on the Lord   when I was  in my  early  twenties .

After the tragic death of my  only brother   that was 3 years younger than me  , died at 20 .

    I had no faith and sure no hope and love was a  mystery   to me .  What is Love ?  What is Truth ?

I did not understand any of it  , and confusion   by many mixed messages . :eek:

From within myself, not knowing what to believe , and  who to believe , what I had heard  ,   it was  all so very confusing .



Little did   I know  :laughing7:    but  found out  JESUS CHRIST   is the truth and the   LOVE     and everything else for that matter  , HE IS THE RESURRECTION   ..

Because Jesus Christ is the WORD OF GOD , He never spoke a word of  out his own mouth , totally silent  , every word  is exactly  what the Father  told him to say ...   mind blowing  to me  :eek:

  I never thought of that or knew that   but Bam ,   one day there is was   written    and it just popped out of the page
like it was    breathing   and alive to me     and made somthing stir in me like   faith or hope     , was not sure what that was
  but was thrilling  , never felt the bible move before     and  began to get involved    in it   more than ever  now.

  I recalled the first time     the bible opened up   was in a church  house and after reading   Isaiah 5 ,  a first encounter with the Living Word ...  as hell/ graves  enlarged itself    many dead  masses of peoples  being held  IN FEAR  by all the lies against God for  thousands of years  already :sigh:

  But it began to come more often after that , so it developed   into  a  hunger and thirst for more of this   Living Word .

  I saw that  in  Isaiah  28

    this  covenant of death is annulled by Jesus Christ   cross    , hell /graves will be emptied   


Isaiah 17"I will make justice the measuring line


And righteousness the level;


Then hail will sweep away the refuge of lies And the waters will overflow the secret place.


18"Your covenant with death will be canceled, And your pact with Sheol will not stand;


When the overwhelming scourge passes through,

Then you become its trampling place.

19"As often as it passes through, it will seize you;

For morning after morning it will pass through, anytime during the day or night,

And it will be sheer terror to understand what it means."...   

Wow  , I still did not get it     totally  , Till    one day , out of the blue     BAM  ! there it was   Jesus Christ IS  the resurrection and the life       , until I understood     IS     means ,was ,is and will be always  ''  the resurrection   ''   

  as   if  refers to   our present   moment   tense    '' IS ''...  until I got it ,the moment it took to make  any of us realize 

NOW IS   for us reading the Bible as   a Living and breathing  power of God    reality   , a mystery  revealed !!

Jesus cross made Him destroy the works of the devils lies  and  covenant with death  annulled  , all that Isaiah   said was true!!

When Jesus  come in the fullness of time    as a  flesh  baby  boy born of woman/Eve mother of all the living  /under the law    , this was the prophecy  being fulfilled  in Isaiah !


Jesus Christ  name  was  the highest power  given   of God  ,by any name under heaven   that could be exalted   we can believe in  for  salvation  and served    everyone   no matter whom they were ! 

  When Jesus Christ went to the cross   and was raised up   in glory and   honor   being the high power   to save  , HE was than

  the Lord of the dead and the living as LOVE would become the moving force     , satan lost his  power  over death    by  fear
      of the unknown God

   because JESUS CHRIST    reveals Gods heart of love for all mankind  , and all the mysteries would  be revealed though Him  that had mankind held in captivity  by the devils lies       that serpent of old saying   you shall NOT surly die  , but be like God

But God says    though Jesus Christ   you will be like God !  the very image of God is though His  Son and will bring many sons    of glory to the Father

  in Him and by Him and though Him are all things being made new      thought the new covenant     , our witness     to Gods glory as the HOLY SPIRIT   also   testifies   within us  whom believe Jesus words  of life .

Hey we are to pray  as if     Gods will be done on earth as it is in  heaven    , because it is happening    in heaven now as we speak  , His kingdom is not of this world   

  But His kingdom comes   and will be done  in our earth and it is in heaven    if you can believe in Him  enough  to be able to do it .

  When He returns  will he find faith in the earth ?     we have to ask ourselves  ,  Do we really believe as we ought ?

I AM THAT IAM ..........Before the world was   HE WAS ...

John 11
24 Martha answered Jesus, "I know that he'll come back to life on the last day, when everyone will come back to life."

25 Jesus said to her, "I am the one who brings people back to life, and I am life itself.

Those who believe in me will live even if they die.

26 Everyone who lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe that?"

27 Martha said to him, "Yes, Lord, I believe that you are the Messiah, the Son of God, the one who was expected to come into the world.


I believe we can only see God as big as our  hearts can  believe , but if faith and hope and Love   are the  greatest things we can grow in     ,   by   the truth and grace  of God  increase of Holy Spirit   LIGHT , we have   to push   hard , like childbirthing   , hardest thing you will ever do ,coming though that dark  and narrow  place , but what a joy   it is when it is  finally  here ...
  :dsunny: :HeartThrob:

[MusicLover123]

Looks like a life review seen in many NDEs. Nobody know what the White Throne Judgement looks like, but it's not strange to assume it includes a life review.

So, if these NDE's are true, does that mean they get a "sneak peek" of what is to come?

That's weird. Yesterday I watched a TV show on YouTube. A guy was taken up to heaven, met Jesus, Who gave him music lessons. He returned and plays 9 instruments  fluently. He also plays a certain type of sax, sounded good (I'm far from an expert) but the claim was that the sound was a prophesy for some. And yeah, some in the audience started crying.

Got a link for that? Sounds interesting, honestly. Maybe that sax is metaphorically a modern day trumpet?

I also remember seeing a preview for an NDE on that site (have not read it yet) about a person who supposedly has no musical talents whatsoever. Has an NDE, (maybe see's Jesus for lessons?) comes back and writes a symphony.

Well I don't have all the answers. I just wonder that reincarnation was intended to be one. He fall twice from the roof, but that didn't really happen. The trains didn't really happen. Maybe the trains looked very old and it can be claimed that was another reincarnation.

A bit of misunderstanding on my part. Are you saying:
1. This is actually a reincarnation NDE? That he had a perspective from someone else's body, or watched another man have it?
2. The NDE happened close to how he described it, but some things he describes are not exactly how they played out, and because of fuzzy memory he fills in extra details?
3. The whole thing is a hoax made by a psychotic man desperate for some attention?

Or maby all is fake. Just a way to sell books...

Probably this, but not sure. The guy apparently cannot write due to his dyslexia and other problems, so his wife wrote in the form instead. Maybe she is lying about it? Him? Maybe both?

[MusicLover123]

Side Note: Speaking about time, one story claimed that, due to their experience, they cannot wear a watch anymore due to feeling it is not accurate enough. Any thoughts?

Because Jesus Christ is the WORD OF GOD , He never spoke a word of  out his own mouth , totally silent  , every word  is exactly  what the Father  told him to say ...   mind blowing  to me  :eek:

I finally understand this now! Saw this before but was a bit confused. It makes sense now! Mind blowing stuff!

Saw a passage today with Jesus explaining "The Father is in Me, and I am in the Father." And "In the beginning was the Word. The Word was with God, and the Word was God."
Jesus word's on the Cross have greater understanding too, with "My God, My God, why have you forsaken(left) Me?"

[WhiteWings]

That's weird. Yesterday I watched a TV show on YouTube. A guy was taken up to heaven, met Jesus, Who gave him music lessons. He returned and plays 9 instruments  fluently. He also plays a certain type of sax, sounded good (I'm far from an expert) but the claim was that the sound was a prophesy for some. And yeah, some in the audience started crying.

Got a link for that? Sounds interesting, honestly. Maybe that sax is metaphorically a modern day trumpet?

He also learned to play 8 other instruments. Nice show to watch but considering they have something like this every week, beware of hoaxes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwsupnUduRg&t=30s

Well I don't have all the answers. I just wonder that reincarnation was intended to be one. He fall twice from the roof, but that didn't really happen. The trains didn't really happen. Maybe the trains looked very old and it can be claimed that was another reincarnation.

A bit of misunderstanding on my part. Are you saying:
1. This is actually a reincarnation NDE? That he had a perspective from someone else's body, or watched another man have it?
2. The NDE happened close to how he described it, but some things he describes are not exactly how they played out, and because of fuzzy memory he fills in extra details?
3. The whole thing is a hoax made by a psychotic man desperate for some attention?

4. The interpretation of what he saw was wrong.

Pharaoh dreamt about 7 fat and 7 skinny cows. In Gen 41:4 the skinny cows eat the fat cows. That was a valid dream.
For the sake of argument let's assume pharaoh had an NDE. None of his magicians knew the meaning of that NDE. Without Joseph they may have concluded that in the future cows also eat meat like lions.

So peopl start filling in the blanks. And that's what we are doing right now. We are both of the oppinion reincarnation is not Biblical, and for that reason we start explaining away everything that looks like reincarnation.
Likewise with hell visions.

[rosered]

Side Note: Speaking about time, one story claimed that, due to their experience, they cannot wear a watch anymore due to feeling it is not accurate enough. Any thoughts?

Because Jesus Christ is the WORD OF GOD , He never spoke a word of  out his own mouth , totally silent  , every word  is exactly  what the Father  told him to say ...   mind blowing  to me  :eek:

I finally understand this now! Saw this before but was a bit confused. It makes sense now! Mind blowing stuff!

Saw a passage today with Jesus explaining "The Father is in Me, and I am in the Father." And "In the beginning was the Word. The Word was with God, and the Word was God."
Jesus word's on the Cross have greater understanding too, with "My God, My God, why have you forsaken(left) Me?"

I love that bro  !!
  Yes it sure is   true   , I am convinced the   silence in the heavens in the space of 1/2 hour    in Rev 8 is     the Lamb of God  on the cross making the open showing of everything hidden   from the ages   from those 6 seals  already  being  ministed from the law and prophets   and  6 churches and   to begin to sound the 7 trumpets of the Lord  fulfilling and finishing the works of old   with His short work in righteousness    , we are the 7th day church     of the laocedian    in my opinion    :2c:...

Opening heaven   for everyone to enter  in the 7th seal[  Day of the Lord ]    unlocking   the mystery of   them all  before us .

   When they went to seal the tomb of the Lord , many  saw He had already risen !!  trying to discredit the power of God !

The Seventh Seal

1When the Lamb opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. 2And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and they were given seven trumpets.
  My God why have you forsaken me   He become sin for us   that knew no sin  on our behalf, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.

3Then another angel, who had a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense to offer, along with the prayers of all the saints, on the golden altar before the throne. 4And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, rose up before God from the hand of the angel.

5Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and hurled it to the earth; and there were rolls of thunder, and rumblings, and flashes of lightning, and an earthquake.        Jesus Christ come to avenge the  blood of the   holy ones  by judging the prince of this world   ...

  This is exactly what happened   in Matt 27 The Death of Jesus   , Jesus told us  a head of time , How  he had come   to divide the two laws   of death and Life    and was sending fire   to the earth   by His cross and judging  in righteousness  the living from  the dead  from the both   sides   of the scroll  ..  the curses that would  come from   touching the unclean thing  Babylon

45 From noon until three in the afternoon darkness came over all the land. 46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli,[c] lema sabachthani?" (which means "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?").[d]

47 When some of those standing there heard this, they said, "He's calling Elijah."

48 Immediately one of them ran and got a sponge. He filled it with wine vinegar, put it on a staff, and offered it to Jesus to drink. 49 The rest said, "Now leave him alone. Let's see if Elijah comes to save him."

50 And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.

51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus' resurrection and[e] went into the holy city and appeared to many people.

54 When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified, and exclaimed, "Surely he was the Son of God!"

55 Many women were there, watching from a distance. They had followed Jesus from Galilee to care for his needs. 56 Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joseph,[f] and the mother of Zebedee's sons.


To me ,  and my own  :2c:     the book of Revelation   is the   KEY  to unlock all the mysteries of the ages    by the   testimony of Jesus Christ       speaking in the last days   by His dear SON  to His   called and chosen out of the world      and fulfilling all things   in righteousness as  the Father promised in the beginning   from the foundation of the world ...

  Hebrews 1 The Supremacy of the Son

1On many past occasions and in many different ways, God spoke to our fathers through the prophets.

2But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.

3The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of His nature, upholding all things by His powerful word. After He had provided purification for sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high....


There  are many more   scriptures to many to   show .
  But the Testimony of Jesus Christ is the Spirit of prophecy   , Paul was hoping every one could  receive  in themselves   , showing the fullness   of Gods glory    by faith in Him and the living  hope   that love reigns supreme  .
ps I hope this does not  confuse  anyone ... :sigh: 
  But it is my own  faith and hope  in Christ and love for Him that compels me to at least try   to speak up   and not give up .
 

[MusicLover123]

He also learned to play 8 other instruments. Nice show to watch but considering they have something like this every week, beware of hoaxes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwsupnUduRg&t=30s

I agree that we should be aware on hoaxes, as we are called to "Test every Spirit" and other things. A good bit of discernment is needed, to not only know between right and wrong, but as Spurgeon famously said, "right and almost right."

Don't want to be a party pooper either, but I do not necessarily enjoy how some shows "including this one" are like "IS THERE LIFE AFTER DEATH?" and other things in this booming voice. Just find it a bit too cheesy for my tastes. Good questions, but just the way it is portrayed sometimes is too cheesy for me. Feel free to deviate from me, if you will.

4. The interpretation of what he saw was wrong.

Pharaoh dreamt about 7 fat and 7 skinny cows. In Gen 41:4 the skinny cows eat the fat cows. That was a valid dream.
For the sake of argument let's assume pharaoh had an NDE. None of his magicians knew the meaning of that NDE. Without Joseph they may have concluded that in the future cows also eat meat like lions.

So peopl start filling in the blanks. And that's what we are doing right now. We are both of the oppinion reincarnation is not Biblical, and for that reason we start explaining away everything that looks like reincarnation.
Likewise with hell visions.

I gotcha...

On hell visions, I do think we have solid ground to deny those. Sure, people may disagree with our propositions, but that in and of itself does not make our beliefs false. Likewise with improper translations, inconsistencies with God's nature, and even what Scripture says go against these claims of everlasting torment and such. The fact that these visions end should be testament to it not being forever. And, if a Christian has this type of NDE, may point to it being misinterpreted. Unless they suddenly think that believers will also endure eternal torment.

In terms of "explaining away," is that really a bad thing? I mean, sure some things may contradict, or at least seem to, and we do not have all the truth. But, when there are two "opposite" statements, and one looks to be more likely than the other, which one would you rather pick?

[WhiteWings]

Explaining away.

Sure wrongs need to be explained away, but that wasn't the point I was trying to make.
Perhaps we are trying to explain away a point (reincarnation) God never was making with that NDE.