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Hannibal Flavius

Bitter waters.

Revelation~8
10And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 11And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

What is it?

marie glen

hi! ..the woman in the book of revelation, I believe, drinks the cup of God's wrath/the consequences she has piled up.. I believe it is the same cup she holds in her hands.. I can't help but see, when I read Rev chapters 17 and 18, and see the greek word translated "harlot" is "pornos" and "to sell". And I can see in the days of my own lifetime, how the marketplace embraced a spirit of harlotry.. a seduction and enchantment in order to sell the list of products listed - how she made the merchants wealthy -  and the kings (politicians) are in bed with her - I believe she ends up making all 7 continents (hills) drink of her cup.. come out of her my people.. lest you drink her cup .. male and female..

Revelation 12 (vs 15?) speaks of the serpent (mode/guise of the dragon) spews out a flood (proliferation) after the woman, the faith - by now the focus being christianity, until the last verse of that chapter (an insert, like chapter 13, a complete history on its own) - the serpent spews a flood (proliferation?) after the woman/faith in an effort to wash her away from off the earth.. (It worked pretty well actually. The "false prophet" and strong delusion "went before" paving the way.. together brought about the great falling away.)

She.. the harlot - man's empire(s) going global - shakes her fist at Yahweh.. "her sins have reached the heavens".. "I will..."

Cup, to me, equals consequences.. The cup Jesus drank.. was because of humanity's sins..

"My cup runneth over.. surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life, and I will dwell in the house of the LORD forever.." :dsunny: :cloud9: :Peace2:
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sheila

if the 'curse' or cursing of man is in her...or on her lips.[cup drank].she shows herself an adultress...for obedience unto her husband would

be Bless and curse not.[law..for lawless ones..not those under grace]

  imo the woman caught in the act of adultery..was an example of Israel's condition...Jesus sacrifice/blood/cross..neither do I condemn

  you=set aside until the fullness of the gentiles=temporal seperation of limited duration

   there are those who bring to birth for disturbance[wind]..that are a lot of 'hot air'..and do not 'deliver"  God says 'Do I bring to birth

  and not deliver?"  God has worked the deliverance of ALL men to be birthed in the image and likeness of His son.  Conceived of

a Holy [virgin]Spirit..there is no longer any curse..nor death nor crying nor pain

sheila

the Betrothed church..that 'fornicated' with the 'kings of the earth"=compromises of truth/simplicity of Christ/gospel[roman Constatine

  alliance as an example]  compromise and be rewarded/honoured of the government..or resist and suffer martyrism.

   and yet, Jesus says 'he of you which is without sin cast the first stone"

   and yet,all these things were foretold..and the scriptures must be fulfilled...from the book of Daniel.....the saints were overcome......


    the bridal city granted to be clothed in white linen...prepared as a gift coming down from heaven[free gift..take life's water's free!!!]

    has no curse..no bitter and sweet waters both coming from her mouth.....the wedding supper=the true words of God..the bride

  will tell you....no more death etc after a man has died once..nor pain nor outcry...the former things have passed away[ye dwell in

a new heaven and new earth[covenant] not the old law one.   those set aside still under the old law covenant..when they are accepted

back in..it is life from the dead[RESURRECTION]  for the earth and the sea must give up their dead[those with mark of beast.[.Leviathan

and behemoth] for those who received the mark of the beast could not live.  man without understanding is as the beast that perisheth.

CHB

Quote from: Hannibal Flavius on May 17, 2016, 01:14:22 AM
Bitter waters.
If a man suspects that his wife or his betrothed has cheated on him, the man takes the woman to the high priest. The high priest writes the suspected sins of the woman on a piece of paper whether it be her fornications or her adulteries. Then the high priest takes a cup and he runs water over the paper where he has written her fornications and adulteries and they wash off of the paper into the cup. The high priest picks up some dirt off the temple floor and puts it in the cup so that the Earth and the water testifies.


dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water: 18And the priest shall set the woman before the LORD, and

Don't know why but this reminded me of when the Pharisees brought the woman who was caught in adultry to Jesus and he wrote on the ground. I have often wondered why and what he wrote, now I know why. I have heard others say he wrote the names of some of the Pharisees. Don't know. :dunno2:

CHB

Cardinal

 :cloud9: That's really good. I see the connection. Amazing how much has been "hidden in plain sight" in the NT from non-Jewish eyes. :thumbsup: Thanks. Blessings....
"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor

WhiteWings

Quote from: CHB on May 18, 2016, 09:03:26 PM
Don't know why but this reminded me of when the Pharisees brought the woman who was caught in adultry to Jesus and he wrote on the ground. I have often wondered why and what he wrote, now I know why. I have heard others say he wrote the names of some of the Pharisees. Don't know. :dunno2:

CHB
May take on that: http://radical-reaction.com/MyChristianSites/BitsAndPieces/adulterous%20woman.html

And a bit of this: http://tentmaker.org/forum/lounge/no-condemnationgt/msg136978/#msg136978
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

jugghead

Are we not all cups (vessels) from whom each of us drink?

I no longer drink of the bitter waters of ET, for those cups may be washed on the outside .... but ....
Wisdom is not measured by time, it is measured by understanding

Justification Under God's Grace Having Every Answer Delivered

eaglesway

#8
In that day there will be no light; the luminaries will dwindle. 7For it will be a unique day which is known to the LORD, neither day nor night, but it will come about that at evening time there will be light.

Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each man's work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man's work.

14His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire. 15His feet were like burnished bronze, when it has been made to glow in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters. 16In His right hand He held seven stars, and out of His mouth came a sharp two-edged sword; and His face was like the sun shining in its strength.

Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience, 7 He again fixes a certain day, "Today," saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before,

"Today if you hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts."
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that. 9 So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. 10 For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. 11 Therefore let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience. 12 For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.

In that day,

the Lord will punish with his sword—
his fierce, great and powerful sword—
Leviathan the gliding serpent,
Leviathan the coiling serpent;
he will slay the monster of the sea.
2In that day—

"Sing about a fruitful vineyard:
3I, the Lord, watch over it;
I water it continually.
I guard it day and night
so that no one may harm it.
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eaglesway

Types and shadows of the Day that has dawned, and is growing to full noon.

"Awake O sleeper, Arise from the dead, and the light of Christ will shine on you!"

Eventually All will stand in this Day.

For we do not preach ourselves but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as your bond-servants for Jesus' sake. 6 For God, who said, "Light shall shine out of darkness," is the One who has shone in our hearts to give the Light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.

Arise and Shine for Thy Light has come and the Glory of the Lord is risen upon you.

Therefore walk as children of the Day.
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jugghead

Quote from: Hannibal Flavius on May 20, 2016, 01:44:27 AM
Quote from: jugghead on May 20, 2016, 01:17:35 AM
Are we not all cups (vessels) from whom each of us drink?

I no longer drink of the bitter waters of ET, for those cups may be washed on the outside .... but ....

Yes, we are all vessels and yet there is still a lot to say about the cups we must drink, and that is what I am trying to figure out, the differences between the cups. There is a cup a woman must drink by the law if she is suspected of adultery and there are the cups of all kinds with different meanings and that is what has been rolling around in my head for a week. I get on something and obsess with it lol.

Cups at Passover


Kaddesh and the first cup.

During the Kaddesh, the first of four cups of wine is blessed and drunk. This first cup of wine is called the cup of sanctification. Before the wine is drunk, a blessing is recited: "Blessed are You, L-rd our G-d, King of the Universe, who creates the fruit of the vine."

The Maggid concludes with the second cup of wine, which is called the cup of wrath.

At the conclusion of Barech, the blessing for wine is recited over the third cup. Then the cup is drunk. This is the cup of redemption (Luke 22:20; l Corinthians 10:16).

Hallel

Psalms 115-118 are chanted in special praise to G-d. The fourth cup is now filled, and a door is opened for Elijah to enter and proclaim the coming of Messiah.

To me, these cups at Passover teach us a progressive walk a person would begin in coming our of Egypt and Jesus is the true vine from which these cups are filled in a person.

I think the spirit of Elijah comes to all people who begin their walk as coming out of Egypt and just as Israel went back and forth through many trials, so too is our walk, and the reason for these different cups to drink until Elijah would come.

Elijah must come first and he must have his head cut off.

42 of Elijah, half of a 7 year walk.

But then I am to the opinion that the two witnesses are in everyone, the blood, and the water and these came from two cups.

There are two cups built into the alter and at the feast of Tabernacles 3 great procession ensue where one group gathered thousands of willow branches, another group went out to collect the water, and another group came with the wine.

As people are shouting in joy saying," Save now," the water and the wine is poured into the two cups on the alter and there are holes in the bottom of the cups where the water and wine spill out onto the earth as a witness.

These two cups on the alter represent the blood and water that was spilled out of Jesus in the very same way. He was pierced as the cups are pierced and a bride was taken from his body, the blood and water itself.

Now see how they relate to Genesis Day one through four

Day one - sanctification - the separation (setting apart) of the light from the darkness
Day two - wrath (discipline, correction, not punishment) - correcting us in what is from above and what is from below
Day three - redemption - the earth now produces plants out of the dry (earth)
Day four - door opened - heavenly lights are revealed to rule both day and night

This is very simplistic, but you know there is always more
Wisdom is not measured by time, it is measured by understanding

Justification Under God's Grace Having Every Answer Delivered

Dandelion

My idea of drinking from a cup, as I understood it from Biblical readings, is to, pardon my Bronx vernacular, 'buy into it'.  Or, if you prefer, we 'throw our hat, into the ring'. 

In other words, when we drink from a cup, it is a way of accepting what is put in front of us....it is a mutual, unspoken contract, between us and all who drink of the cup with us.

We are joined.....we believe and accept something similar. We acknowledge that we are a piece of some whole.

There are implications of it being a transforming experience. That which the cup and its contents represent, become part of who we are.

It is warmth and friendship/family and alliance and commitment. It is a fellowship......deep, mutual, and to be taken seriously. It does not represent something temporary, but more of a way of life. Implications of duty and mission to be carried out are also implied.

For me, the image of the Last Supper, is very telling of 'drinking of the cup'. And, then, to see the parallel between that and the Passover Seder.

I am not familiar with the cup the woman who committed adultery must drink. I need to become more familiar with Revelations.

My  :2c:

D.
7"Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 8"For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened....

Matthew 7:7 -8

Dandelion

I do know quite a bit about the Jewish faith, Hannibal, through many sources, over many years.

But, thank you.

The churches I have gone to, for the great majority, spoke little about Revelations. What I know, I learned through Christian radio, books, and speaking to people.

D.
7"Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 8"For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened....

Matthew 7:7 -8

Cardinal

 :cloud9: Good posts to think on.... :thumbsup: Blessings...
"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor

eaglesway

I agree.

Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come. 18 Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation, 19 namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation. 1 Cor 5

17 Every good thing given and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shifting shadow. 18 In the exercise of His will He brought us forth by the word of truth, so that we would be a kind of first fruits among His creatures. James 1

18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19 For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. 23 And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body. Rom 8

10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them. Eph 2
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marie glen

Revelation chapter 12 is an amazing chapter (as are all the books of the bible of course).. I think it is an entire (and obvious?) history all on its own (and an insert, as is chapter 13).

Look.. a woman (nation) clothed with the sun with 12 stars.. she gives birth to the manchild (Son of man) whom the dragon - in the person of Herod the Great, tried to devour but He is caught up to God's throne - where He now sits on the right hand of God.. ("This is the decree - You are My beloved Son" - our life, is in Jesus :smile: )

And the dragon becomes enraged and pursues the woman (razes Jerusalem and the temple - 70 a.d.) but the woman/the faith, now the mantle of the faith worn by 'christianity', flees - in large part to europe, it seems to me..

There's war in heaven and no longer is the dragon tolerated, allowed access to heaven... He is again enraged and fiercely persecutes (inquisitions) the faith.. but she is given the two wings of an eagle that she may fly (sail?) to a new place where she is kept safe from the face of the dragon for 3.5 divisions of time.. after which is vomited after her a flood (proliferation, by the serpent guise of the dragon) in order to try and wash her off the face of the earth - which btw, is proceeding very well as far as the world system is concerned.

But the earth will open its mouth and swallow the flood - (drought coming? cross ref- Luke 23:28,31).

And then the dragon will turn his attention (more fully) back upon the woman's other children who have the commandments of God and (by now/then?) the testimony of Jesus. Cross-ref  - Mt 23:39 "you will not see Me again" (Jerusalem) "until you say 'blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD".. and Paul's writing "If Israel's falling away is salvation to the gentiles, then what shall their gathering" (to the Lord) "be, but life from the dead?" (Resurrection, the first, at Jesus's return.) And also, cross-ref, Rev 16:14-16 "And they gathered to armageddon" ("When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies.." And the angel calls to the birds of midheaven" the birds of prey which fly higher than the little birds..)

When man's ways crash and burn (as they always do, but once more on a global scale, imo) :upset:

Then the world will know that Yahweh rules.. "The LORD alone will be exalted in that day".
          :banana: :dsunny:
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Cardinal

 :cloud9: Just wanted to direct you to a sticky post we have on here in Christian life section, called "Experiencing the Tabernacle." I think you should add your thoughts there, too. Blessings...

OOPS! I see you already did.....carry on.... :winkgrin:
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MHz

Quote from: Hannibal Flavius on May 17, 2016, 01:14:22 AM
Bitter waters.

Revelation~8
10And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 11And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

What is it?
Satan and he lets the Beast from the Pit out and that starts a period of time of 42 months (1260) days and it ends the day the two witnesses are resurrected to life and the 7th trump sounds. The Beast was a king on earth and that is how his head was wounded, getting to reign again is how it is healed.

rosered

Quote from: MHz on February 18, 2018, 08:55:39 AM
Quote from: Hannibal Flavius on May 17, 2016, 01:14:22 AM
Bitter waters.

Revelation~8
10And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 11And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

What is it?
Satan and he lets the Beast from the Pit out and that starts a period of time of 42 months (1260) days and it ends the day the two witnesses are resurrected to life and the 7th trump sounds. The Beast was a king on earth and that is how his head was wounded, getting to reign again is how it is healed.

I sure can see that !  Good job!!!  MHz  :iagree:
  I know    God purposed     the beast   to  l hate the whore of the earth  and destroy her .

  Rev 17
...15Then the angel said to me, "The waters where you saw the prostitute seated are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues.

16And the ten horns and the beast that you saw will hate the prostitute.

They will leave her desolate and naked, and will eat her flesh and burn her with fire.

17For God has put it into their hearts to carry out His purpose by uniting to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled....

Jesus is the reward  !!

sheila

wormwood=fallen star..outercourt[our flesh trampled[d/tsin mastering our flesh]saints overcome/trampled beneath dragonsfeet[beheaded..like .. John the Baptist...

who come inthe spirit ofElijah/which must come again..heralding theLamb who takes away the sin oftheworld.cup of jealousy.......turned away fromGod'wordofGod

come in flesh..covenant curses entered Jerusalem..she could not bear the son of which she would be saved through...thus bitter suffering.

blood andwater fromside..pierced cups...spirit/waters of life poured out as drink offering/Paul/those who have the testimony

blood underthe altar cryingout..from the beheaded[those who testified of the coming of the Lamb that takes away all the sin of the world.

a woman's head is her husband..a man's is Christ........not knowing the time of your visitation and/or calling...'ICALLED"and you didn't answer.


beheaded..body not raised up with head/Christ........heel bruised..bodies lay as dead in the street of sodom/Egypt......overcome by carnal earthly sensuall devilish flesh

or outercourt.trampling....deliverance of this body undergoing this death..Elijah must come again..the  appearing again  of Christ  unto us seperate from sin.your

deliverance/the man child snatchedup to the throne.

allmankind must drink this cup...if he who didn't deserve to drink it must drink..so shall we. .we,too,shall lay our flesh down..that wemay take it back up again


MHz

Quote from: rosered on February 18, 2018, 04:50:26 PM
Quote from: MHz on February 18, 2018, 08:55:39 AM
Quote from: Hannibal Flavius on May 17, 2016, 01:14:22 AM
Bitter waters.

Revelation~8
10And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 11And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

What is it?
Satan and he lets the Beast from the Pit out and that starts a period of time of 42 months (1260) days and it ends the day the two witnesses are resurrected to life and the 7th trump sounds. The Beast was a king on earth and that is how his head was wounded, getting to reign again is how it is healed.

I sure can see that !  Good job!!!  MHz  :iagree:
  I know    God purposed     the beast   to  l hate the whore of the earth  and destroy her .

  Rev 17
...15Then the angel said to me, "The waters where you saw the prostitute seated are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues.

16And the ten horns and the beast that you saw will hate the prostitute.

They will leave her desolate and naked, and will eat her flesh and burn her with fire.

17For God has put it into their hearts to carry out His purpose by uniting to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled....
The harlot in Re:17 has several traits that do define who it is. She also seem the be the 'daughter' of a king from Da:11. That supports the theory that Da:11 is the chapter that covers the iron/clay kingdom from the vision in Da;2. It also tells us that 'her father' is Satan as that is who the red dragon is and he is the falling start in the 5th trump and that would make the other king the Beast from the Pit which makes all of Da:11 fits in with the 42 months that the Beast is given to rule again on the earth. It was a king before the flood of water.

Da:11:6:
And in the end of years they shall join themselves together;
for the king's daughter of the south shall come to the king of the north to make an agreement:
but she shall not retain the power of the arm;
neither shall he stand,
nor his arm:
but she shall be given up,
and they that brought her,
and he that begat her,
and he that strengthened her in these times.

Da:11:27:
And both these kings' hearts shall be to do mischief,
and they shall speak lies at one table;
but it shall not prosper:
for yet the end shall be at the time appointed.

marie glen

#21
Amen MHz. Usually folks seem to miss the iron/clay kingdom as relating to the Book of Revelation.. "as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay" - ten toes, ten kings/divisions in the "last hour".

Amen, Rose the ten kings (divisions? of the big/world beast/body) will devour the harlot.. who made the merchants wealthy and the politicians (kings) are in bed with her.. The merchants and all who trade (in John's day by sea) will weep when she falls (crashes?) in one hour and falls in a day.. will weep because no one buys their long list of merchandise anymore, from necessities to luxuries, and right down to the souls and bodies of humans.. (sex slave trade!?) In her is found all blood shed on earth.. her forehead (psyche?) being Mystery Babylon / Mystery Babble / all confusion and error?

The last days world body (beast) will hate the harlot (capitalism / gone extreme?) and will devour her - use up her resources? Finally destroying her. Socialism (in its original sense of communism and rule of man as 'god'/the state, not social awareness) will finally destroy capitalism..? The dove harnessing the vulture to attain its agenda? (Rev 20:4d)

https://bibleprophecy4today.blogspot.com/2016/10/book-of-revelation-in-pictures-lesson.html - book of Revelation in pictures

P.S. - MHz, the second beast of Rev chapter 13 (verses 11-18) I believe 13:13 pinpoints an office, not an individual.. and I believe it already occurred.. but so big no one seems to see it? (Like the false prophet, most seem to think is the same as the 'little' beast / 2nd beast of Rev 13.. but it was the first question, or rather, answer which came back to me when I prayed to understand bible prophecy and signs of the times.. Came to me as a question back in the 80's? "what is the strongest force at work upon mankind today?" (not yesteryear, but today, was implied/included(?).. And into my mind came :idea2: lightbulb! the theory of evolution (as to origins) - which I now therefor think of as the false prophet/teacher/teaching which has caused/is causing Western Civilization, once called Christendom, to fall away from the faith.. the great falling away?

Some folks think the big beast, the little beast and the false prophet are all basically the same.. But I think their thinking is still in yesteryear's fulfillments - The 'empire' in John's day being Rome.

And.. also in Nebuchadnezzar's dream (statue) the gold of babylon is the head.. then there's the media-persia (glittery, mystical) silver.. then the bronze of Greece, then the Iron of Rome.. And notice the 4th beast of Daniel chapter 7 (verses 7 & 19) has ten horns like the beast (world beast/body) of Revelation 13:1-10, so it's likely the same one.

But in Daniel 7, verse 19 - "Then I wished to know the truth about the fourth beast, which was different from all the others, exceedingly dreadful, with its teeth of iron and its nails of bronze, which devoured, broke in pieces, and trampled the residue with its feet"

What is said to be Roman/Graeco based? Western Civilization with its Roman senates, courts, politics, architecture and its Greek drama, humanist philosophy-with which it "tramples the residue"? not subdued by the iron, breaks, scatters with the bronze, tramples and scatters nations with the (Greek) secular humanism?

Iron teeth... iron/Roman columns?

[Have you noticed the seals? especially the 6th, how they are described as a blend of what they are at their very first and what they are at full maturity at the very 'end'? The horse's ride representing progression.. (of the seals / elements of the latter age, the years of our Lord, A.D. It's a fascinating book! A puzzle, a riddle, a grand production.. and orchestra. And important, blessed are those who hear and heed. I'm still a little fuzzy on some of the timing and about the two witnesses. But I think the Philadelphia 'church' (of brotherly love) will know signs of the times.]
   :dunno2: oh dear, sorry to carry on so.. :laughing7:  :BangHead: <- w/o the red face, lol (i.e. folks don't listen to me. But that's okay!)

"drink this cup" ...the full consequences and results..? Obviously is thermonuclear effects in the trumpets and bowls..?

Quote from: Hannibal Flavius on May 17, 2016, 01:14:22 AM
Bitter waters.

Revelation~8
10And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 11And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

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Quote from: marie glen on February 18, 2018, 10:42:56 PM
Amen MHz. Usually folks seem to miss the iron/clay kingdom as relating to the Book of Revelation.. "as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay" - ten toes, ten kings/divisions in the "last hour".
The vision and explanation in Re:17 covers the 'toes' and when meshed with the vision and explanation of the 4th beast in Da:7 is a connection that can not be denied. Da:11 and the events Revelation has is also there, just not as apparent as the visions are. One solid connection that help connect it is these verses.

Da:11:32:
And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries:
but the people that do know their God shall be strong,
and do exploits.


Da:7:25:
And he shall speak great words against the most High,
and shall wear out the saints of the most High,
and think to change times and laws:
and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Re:11:3:
And I will give power unto my two witnesses,
and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days,
clothed in sackcloth.
Re:11:4:
These are the two olive trees,
and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.


Re:11:7-19:
And when they shall have finished their testimony,
the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them,
and shall overcome them, and kill them.
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city,
which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt,
where also our Lord was crucified.
And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half,
and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

marie glen

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