Are we angels? What's the task of angels?

[WhiteWings]

I know angel can mean messenger, I'm not asking about that. What I'm asking I can't really show with quotes because it would mean a lot of quotes. But I think that's not a problem because anyone hanging out here know Scripture better that me.

Anyway the peaceful Jesus is a warrior King for a while when He's crushing the forces of evil.
Jesus is said to return with His angles. My guess those angel have purpose/task.
It's also said the saints (earthly people) will rule during the millenium with Jesus. Jesus is the King of kings and all that.  Not questioning that in the slightest. But to me it sounds like Jesus will be at least part of the time out of sight. If not there isn't anything to rule for the saints.

So if those saints are ruling what are the angels doing?
What exactly is the ruling of the saints? Is it simple ministry work like teaching and helping people?
If is it like a zombie apocalypse movie, but instead of zombies it's demons.

The saints will judge the angels. All angels or the fallen angels? Are the saints going to sent people/demons/angels to the Lake?


Likely I forgot stuff. Don't get bogged down about a wrong detail in the above. It's just a broad brush attempt to phrase a question. Not a teaching.

[sheila]

they only judge/condemn satan and the demons..why would they judge God's angels'?..they judge/condemn no man..why would they?God/Jesus judge noman.

they judge the dead men..that they shall live because of God and Christ..atonement..not counting their'sins' against them. the twice dead..never ever live/demons/satan

  whatisman?..a secound angel bound in  a clay vessel body of  earth temporarily toface thedragon[sown in corruption andweakness]to be raised up in power and incorruption.

the angels helpus daily as the goodportion/holy portion...in ourflesh/mind/body..standing against the evilportion[tokogae] knownas HOLY Spirittocauseus towill

anddoHisgoodpleasure[daily bread from Heaven] note Jesus' fast inthe wilderness where satan come and tried tofeed Him the wordof God..in atwistedform[messenger]

and He stood against them..then the holy angels come and fed Him.

the HOLY SPIRIT/TRUTH as wellas the 'WORD OF GOD" testimony..... :2c:

[WhiteWings]

they only judge/condemn satan and the demons..why would they judge God's angels'?..

1Cor 6:3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!

they judge/condemn no man..why would they?God/Jesus judge noman.

A white throne judgement without judgement?

they judge the dead men..that they shall live because of God and Christ..atonement..not counting their'sins' against them. the twice dead..never ever live/demons/satan

The dead are resurrected in the goat sheep judgement. Some go to the Lake. Sound like a judgement to me.

[rosered]

they only judge/condemn satan and the demons..why would they judge God's angels'?..

1Cor 6:3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!

they judge/condemn no man..why would they?God/Jesus judge noman.

A white throne judgement without judgement?

they judge the dead men..that they shall live because of God and Christ..atonement..not counting their'sins' against them. the twice dead..never ever live/demons/satan

The dead are resurrected in the goat sheep judgement. Some go to the Lake. Sound like a judgement to me.

  There are so very many things  about How God is going to do   things ,I just do not know !!!

I cannot help but wonder  , I ask   the Lord all the time , What does this mean or that mean Lord ?
 

One question I wonder about is   , How is it the dead in Christ rise first ?
 

  1cor 15 19If our hope in Christ is for this life alone, we are to be pitied more than all men.

20But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man....


  I do believe  He is Risen and sitting on the  right hand of the Father  on His throne and judging the world in righteousness  now 
I do believe it is when the Father says  ,Go WITH the angels  for that one or this one or the other one there  , at any time the FATHER PLEASES  to do so ..
So yes  they are  being gathered into Christ  Body  regularly , a daily sacrifice /offering , it is a spiritual body  , not seen with
natural eyes  .

He said,  Those whom do not  gather with Me ,are against me and scatter abroad    31Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven....

Because it is the HOLY SPIRIT   that everything is being done in  and for  and though Jesus Christ  , both   the FATHERS  SPIRIT & SONS SPIRIT    , not one without the other    union .

This is the binding law   that cannot be broken   under the age of the law,   all are under , till Christ comes  , nor the age to come which is the grace of God though Jesus Christ  ,  So to me  , I believe that these messengers / angels   are being judged and  held under the law  of death still till they repent  of the works of their  hands  and mouths be stopped .

We are to know the times of our visitations  unless we are  still dead  in sin /goats and not in Christ /sheep and know nothing as we ought .    :sigh:


  Visit us from on High as the Light shines  out of the darkness  of our hearts .

Luke 1 Zechariah's Song
...77to give to His people knowledge of salvation through the forgiveness of their sins,

78because of the tender mercy of our God, by which the Dawn will visit us from on high,

79to shine on those who live in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the path of peace."...

Isaiah 42:16
"I will lead the blind by a way they do not know, In paths they do not know I will guide them. I will make darkness into light before them And rugged places into plains. These are the things I will do, And I will not leave them undone."

Malachi 4:2
"But for you who fear My name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings; and you will go forth and skip about like calves from the stall.

Ephesians 5:14
So it is said: "Wake up, O sleeper, rise up from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."

Colossians 3:12
Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness, and patience.

2 Peter 1:19
We also have the message of the prophets, which has been confirmed beyond doubt. And you will do well to pay attention to this message, as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.


  I know not a one of us knows anything about    God the Father   on our own  , It is though the Spirit of  Christ love   for God and mankind   that we know anything   at all   , He has bridged the gap   , that great gulf fixed   and  opened heaven  to Know the FATHERS LOVE  [Proverbs 8 ]

[sheila]

angels-messengers of satan.

the white throne judgement is God's judgement to give the free gift of eternal life unto all men that have died on the earth. their blood under the altar[lives] are clothed

in white.

thus the 'white throne'judgement.  goat lot's   the Lord's and Azazel's...

Look...Joshua 3;16...the water fromupstream stoppedflowing..it piled up in a heap...a great distance away at a town called Adam.....whilethe water flowing down

tothe dead sea was completely cut off. verse 17.... Priests inthe middleof the Jordan..til all ofIsraelpassed over.


another way to say it.Jesus as David [who satn incited tonumber Israel] stop the 3 day plague of death at thethreshing floor[wheat/tares]Because it was not time for

God had not yet revealed the salvation of all of Israel[mankind].and any number David would have come upwith would be a lie.

reveale

[sheila]

when you look upon their[goodas] dead bodies...you will see the invisible evil spirits on man[sinnermen/prodigals] that have not the living   nature of God  shining forth

from them but are exhibiting the nature of the adversary. the living dead..of which the Father says..My sonwhich was dead is alive![whentheir spirits return [1st

resurrection raised up in power and incorruption].


the secound resurrection..ofthe righteous[man possesed ofthe  [and] wicked]..you will learn to distinguish [eyes peer narrowly]to rightly divide the righteous[man

with hi sfree gift of righteousness]from the wicked[satan's possesing spirits]  At the death of man's body the spirit is circumcized from the flesh/chaff tares.and.the wicked

[possesingevilspirits] are cast out of their grave[en-graven images of the beast] and go about returning unto some other man's dust/body. All your days ye shall eat

dust.Isaaih 14;19,20 you will not join them in burial

also read verse 9. man's flesh dies..his body is lowered in a grave..his spirit raised up..not so for those reserved for the LOF secound death...only the true twice dead

die the 2nd death/LOF TRUE Death.


therefore,the righteous recieve a first resurrection[w]hol[e]y...and the wicked[evil spirits]the 2nd death.

God must be all in all..no wicked contrast. and when He finishes raising   up all men in Christ's  incorruptible image....the 'wicked one'goes intoLOF. :2c:

[Ross]

The angels seem to be  forces used by God to run errands. They currently have more power than we do. However we are to be raised above angels just like Jesus, only Him being the first. We will be like Him and see Him as He truly is.

So if those saints are ruling what are the angels doing?
What exactly is the ruling of the saints? Is it simple ministry work like teaching and helping people?

I.M.O we have a little example of the principal of the future in the way we have people of government/power/authority ruling us. They are recognised as the leaders of countries and people. This seems to be like the future only the roles will be allocated differently. So much that the people will be leaders of angelic forces, or communities, just like our president and government rule us now.

Heb 1;14 " Are they not all ministering spirits sent out to serve those who are to inherit salvation?"

Heb 2;5 " Now God has not subjected the world to come, about which we are talking, to angels."

Eph 3;14,15 " For this reason I bow my knees before the Father from Whom every family in heaven and on earth derives it's name."

As you say, there are many verses recording interactions with angels through the scriptures.
We are to be raised above them so we will get to know that position as we are growing in knowledge through Christ.

[sheila]

 :2c:Jesussaid'thechildrenof the resurrection are like the angels,the children of God.Fellowworkers..they are not tobe worshipped..but are our brothers..inthe ministry

of those who are to recieve salvation. Complicating this matter is satan transforming himself as an angel of light.So discernment/distinction..is needed. Rev 10;8-11

nodoubt..some men may attain unto ahigher position in heaven that some of the angels who served them while in flesh[differ in glory] but many not.Each willenter

his own order..and take his place among the  heavenly hosts body,as to his function and 'place prepared"forhim.

[Ross]

It's just a broad brush attempt to phrase a question. Not a teaching.

Romans 9;22-24 " What if God, willing to display His indignation and make known His power,
                            has endured with great patience the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction?
                            And what if He did so in order to make known the riches of His glory to vessels or mercy,
                            which He prepared beforehand or glory- even us whom he called, not only from among the Jews but also Gentiles."

Eph 2;7 " To demonstrate in the ages to come the incomparable riches or His grace in kindness towards us in Christ Jesus."

Eph 3;10 " In order that now, through the ecclesia, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the authorities in the
                 heavens."

My broad brush looks at this kind of scripture as an indication of such changes given through the grace are to be an example of the right way to live. If this is the right way, then those who are not living correctly need to change- them being heavenly to change to be like us because of Christ seems to show a position which is desirable to those who are currently more powerful than us.

[rosered]

It's just a broad brush attempt to phrase a question. Not a teaching.

Romans 9;22-24 " What if God, willing to display His indignation and make known His power,
                            has endured with great patience the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction?
                            And what if He did so in order to make known the riches of His glory to vessels or mercy,
                            which He prepared beforehand or glory- even us whom he called, not only from among the Jews but also Gentiles."

Eph 2;7 " To demonstrate in the ages to come the incomparable riches or His grace in kindness towards us in Christ Jesus."

Eph 3;10 " In order that now, through the ecclesia, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the authorities in the
                 heavens."

My broad brush looks at this kind of scripture as an indication of such changes given through the grace are to be an example of the right way to live. If this is the right way, then those who are not living correctly need to change- them being heavenly to change to be like us because of Christ seems to show a position which is desirable to those who are currently more powerful than us.

  That is just it Ross ,
  What do we have to   compare   judging angels to ??
  Certainly not each  each other , not the world,  nor  desire of the heart .
  I can only  see how God dealt with evil in the old testament and mankind  and it is pretty harsh   , and yes angles and messengers did appear  to some  that were called according to Gods purpose  ,  but most were set to endure death  & destruction    for doing good as well  as evil .

To me that was everyone  locked up  under the law  of sin and death  and there is nothing spoken of the inner man of the heart   except exposing what was in their hearts  .

All this is the old and passing and fading away   and Jesus come   as one  born of woman under the same law of sin and death  /Eve ,mother of the all  the living   
  and it is though child bearing that she is saved  according to Gods Word  , but it was not till Jesus come would those first fruits  after such a long , long and patient time   , in that fullness of time  would God   acknowledge   His truth and set them free  , this is why NONE could precede     come before (something) in time.  and order  or command with    without     Jesus Christ , being the way and truth and Life   , that all would come though

When Jesus opened heaven for ALL  , it would be only by His   sacrifice  and though Him can anyone enter 

  All are bound to disobedience    though the LAW OF SIN AND DEATH   ,  but by ONE MANS obedience    God would have mercy on all .
   The  Lord Jesus Christ is that cross we must all  come to  , and go though to enter , being the Door  ,  the flaming Sword [Word of God ]  well everything  really ,
  from the Beginning     it was not until   HE OVER COME DEATH for every man  , but each in his own order  , many will not taste of death till they see HIM    , piercing though their own hearts   ,  the old testament witness is of this very thing happening  , but it is not an evil thing to  happen but a good thing the law was made to bring sin and death to a complete end 
in Christ . and it will be in Christ that complete order would come  though .
  Judging angels / messengers  is a part of this    WORD that judges  everything though the  Holy  Spirit of God

  John 12 47As for anyone who hears My words and does not keep them, I do not judge him.

For I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world.

48There is a judge for the one who rejects Me and does not receive My words:

The word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day. 49


I have not spoken on My own, but the Father who sent Me has commanded Me what to say and how to say it....

  50And I know that His command leads to eternal life. So I speak exactly what the Father has told Me to say."

So this word is eternal life  and  as it leads    , it   will judge everything   as we   each and everyone  begin   to hear His Voice ..
What was hidden in the darkness  will come to the Light and Life in CHRIST   .GOD IS DOING A MIGHTY  THING for His creation     everything that was made good in the beginning will be remade perfect   and complete in the End  by His  spoken Word being the LORD JESUS CHRIST   Name under heaven  which  salvation comes though  and the WORD OF GOD   IN HEAVEN   on the last Day     REV 1 ..

  John explains this  last Day perfectly by the Spirit of prophecy and testimony of Jesus Christ being revealed   to me the  BOOK  OF REVELATION IS THE LAST DAY   explained .[ 1000 year reign & Last Day ]  as 1000 years is a Day in Gods sight 


  2 Peter 3 'But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.'   


The revelation of Jesus Christ that God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who testified to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, whatever he saw.

3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy,   why do we read it out loud ?  faith comes by hearing what the Spirit is saying  , How do we hear what the Spirit is saying  ? except by faith  ! 

and blessed are those who hear the words of this prophecy   when we hear  by the Spirit  as being taught of the Lord and  healed  , the new and inner , spiritual man of the heart begins to  obey  His voice .

and keep what is written in it, because the time is near.   It  is since the moment Jesus come  ,  If heaven is Gods throne  and  the earth is His footstool were He rest His feet  , this teaching  is Jesus being the Sabbath / 7th day /1000  years  to enter  His rest  as the works follow  after .

4 John: To the seven churches in Asia. Grace and peace to you from the one who is, who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne,

5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead and the ruler of the kings of the earth.

To him who loves us and has set us free from our sins by his blood,

6 and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father—to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

7 Look, he is coming with the clouds,
and every eye will see him,
even those who pierced him.
And all the tribes of the earth
will mourn over him.
So it is to be. Amen.

8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "the one who is, who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

To  me the only difference   between   the power of the angels /messengers and the lower state of mankind is the body of   death they have been set free from already   

  Paul spoke of having the tongues of men and angels      1Co13:1 "If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal." The distinction "of men" and "of angels"  is the above language  and the lower  language  of  which Wisdom is  speaking  from , Solomon had more wisdom than any man  at that time  1 kings 4 ;30
29 Now God gave Solomon wisdom and very great discernment and breadth of mind, like the sand that is on the seashore. 30Solomon's wisdom surpassed the wisdom of all the sons of the east and all the wisdom of Egypt.  an earthly glory  , till Jesus Christ  come  and was a greater in Wisdom  by the heavens and earth and below   knowledge   , to give understanding and holding the 7 stars  , spirits  in His  right hand   ALL This glory  :dsunny:
 

  Abraham seed  planted by faith  was as the sands of the sea shore and the Stars of heaven  both glorified God   but nothing compared to the LORD JESUS CHRIST   IN WHOM ALL THINGS BELONG .TO   and exist ..

[marie glen]

 :Chinscratch: I've never thought about this much before. I know I've read in commentaries that there will be survivors (human) on the Earth, which I agree with, even though I think there will obe a lot of destruction before His return. So I'm thinking there will be not only ministering and teaching going on, but also rebuilding and construction.

I think the prophecy about long life will occur here, during the millennium of Jesus.. After all He will be there (which also explains why the lion will eat straw like the ox and teaching bear graze with the cow, before the Earth is made new).

There's a verse about seven years cleanup? Around Jerusalem.. The angels serving also.. Messengers..  :Chinscratch: I'm thinking on Judgment 'Day' the saved during this life, will indeed judge rebel angels, as it seems logical to me the 'day' is one of the review of all history and God sees all. A 'day' I have to think, of weeping, gnashing of teeth, outer darkness, but also of repentance and reconciliation. -- The resurrection of all not saved during this life, occurs after the millennium / 1000 reign of Jesus. And then commences day of Judgment - Rev 20, when the believers / dead in Christ rise, it says the rest of the dead rise not until after the thousand years.

...so I believe there will be a lot of service and ministering during Judgment 'Day', Like massive...

:Chinscratch: good topic and thread
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[sheila]

re; seven year clean-up,Marie.laying old bones to rest versus'digging up old bones"=the former things will be forgotten/remembered no more..[as those killed inthe flesh

are all resurrected[join bone to bone cause tendon flesh and stand before God in heaven.]  :2c: