O the irony! where they left out "forever"?

[marie glen]

It seems like everywhere we read in the interlinear, the meanings of words, in a secondary paragraph, get stretched out to meaning forever. Punishment, judging, condemnation -  they (humans, bless our silly hearts) just can't leave it at the crux of the meaning, but compulsively tag it with forever. (Whereas Jude 6 [and 2 Peter 2:6] say the overthrow of Sodom and Gomorrah is the example of 'eternal' fire!)

Philippians 3:10 says -
"to know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death," - verse 12 says, "so... I may reach the resurrection from out of death"

being conformed is from the Greek word - "symmorphizomenos" which links back to #G4833, which, in the biblehub interlinear, is said to be:
   symmorphizo - sym, symmetrical with, sympatico!? and morph (into).. But what about "menos"?  :Chinscratch: :dontknow: No word on that.

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/philippians/3-10.htm - Philippians 3:10 - the interlinear, symmorphizomenos
http://biblehub.com/greek/4833.htm - #4833 - symmorphóō / symmorphizo

Googling "greek word menos", brought up the link to it on bible hub:
http://biblehub.com/greek/3306.htm - "meno" G3306 - to stay, abide, remain

And also brought up the link to:
http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/meno.html
Definition
to remain, abide
     in reference to place
              to sojourn, tarry
              not to depart
to continue to be present
        to be held, kept, continually

:dontknow: idk, but "meno(s)" seems to me to be closely resembling "forever". And whereas translators seem to love stretching many words into "forever", here they seem to have just left it off?

We know we all are being conformed into Messiah's likeness (and conformed to His death) - "we shall be like Him (for we shall see Him as He is)" and we know it is lasting, aka, 'forever', but it seems ironic to not insert the word there! When they're so crazy about inserting it everywhere else we read!

[Stefan]

Hello Marie!

The "-menos" in this case is just a word ending that indicates that it is the present passive participle, nominative masculine singular of the word "symmorphóō" (the -ō (actually the "omega") is the first person singular ending). So the "-menos" has no connection to the verb/word "menō" in this case.

The verb/word "menō" (remain/abide, is written in the lexicon as present active indicative, first person singular), therefore also has several endings depending on what the writer wants to express, for example; John uses the form "menomen" (consisting of "men-" plus the ending for present active indicative, first person plural "-omen") in 1 John 4:13. 

Blessings in Christ Jesus - Saviour of the world!
/Stefan

[rosered]

  Good Marie ,,,

For me it is more about  reading the Word with new spiritual eyes , not the old original  carnal eyes , It only sees death and  fear and fire  and forever .
  The Spirit knows all things and  is able to understand  in a  totally different way  , it is all about the opposite  , LIFE ... a changer for sure ,and be similar in form or type  or nature ; agree.

  and Stefan  , What is it for Romans 8:9  about the same meaning for 1 John  4;13 ?

I am quite  fond of both scriptures     , Love how it is about  having Gods  Spirit   and   Christ Spirit as well .  and  present active ...  :banana:

[Stefan]

Rosered, there is no "meno"-word in Romans 8:9, instead Paul uses the verb/word "oikei" ("dwells") present active indicative, third person singular (from the substantive "oikos", for "house", "dwellingplace", etc) followed by the preposition "en" (translated "in", "with", etc) and "humin", personal pronoun second person plural ("you (all)").
So in my reading/understanding I see them as synonym expressions with slightly different connotations; Romans 8:9 focusing on God's Spirit dwelling in us, and 1 Joh 4:13 focusing on our abiding in Him and He abiding in us. But that's "just the words", what matters is the Truth/Reality/Experience of that dwelling/abiding  :cloud9:

All blessings in Him!
Stefan

[rosered]

Rosered, there is no "meno"-word in Romans 8:9, instead Paul uses the verb/word "oikei" ("dwells") present active indicative, third person singular (from the substantive "oikos", for "house", "dwellingplace", etc) followed by the preposition "en" (translated "in", "with", etc) and "humin", personal pronoun second person plural ("you (all)").
So in my reading/understanding I see them as synonym expressions with slightly different connotations; Romans 8:9 focusing on God's Spirit dwelling in us, and 1 Joh 4:13 focusing on our abiding in Him and He abiding in us. But that's "just the words", what matters is the Truth/Reality/Experience of that dwelling/abiding  :cloud9:

All blessings in Him!
Stefan

  Thank you Stefan !
  I have never broken   them down to know the   actual   past ,present  and future   tenses   before ..

Amen to the fact Truth/Reality/Experience of that dwelling/abiding   means   :dsunny:

  Blessings for sure !!

[marie glen]

Hello Marie!

The "-menos" in this case is just a word ending that indicates that it is the present passive participle, nominative masculine singular of the word "symmorphóō" (the -ō (actually the "omega") is the first person singular ending). So the "-menos" has no connection to the verb/word "menō" in this case.

The verb/word "menō" (remain/abide, is written in the lexicon as present active indicative, first person singular), therefore also has several endings depending on what the writer wants to express, for example; John uses the form "menomen" (consisting of "men-" plus the ending for present active indicative, first person plural "-omen") in 1 John 4:13. 

Blessings in Christ Jesus - Saviour of the world!
/Stefan

Thank you Stefan! I was totally unaware of all that..  :thanks: