Rome, the Future Capital of the Future United States of Europe

[cgaviria]

I have written a study on the final formation of the "United States of Europe" as the eighth head of the first beast of Revelation, with Rome as its capital, and what the fate of the Vatican is. The study can be found in English here http://www.wisdomofgod.co/2017/10/14/rome-the-future-capital-of-the-future-united-states-of-europe-and-the-destruction-of-the-vatican/ or in Spanish here http://www.sabiduriadedios.co/2017/10/15/roma-la-futura-capital-del-futuro-estados-unidos-de-europa-y-la-destruccion-del-vaticano/ .

[marie glen]

Have you noticed, I don't know as anyone has, how the 'big' (world) beast (body) of Revelation 13 (1-10, as opposed to 11-18 which identifies an office - one past? /yesteryear? and one final days - both closely allied with the bigger beast.. even if the last days body/beast expired once - was, then wasn't, then was again.. the latter days one expiring when it's (future) head didn't sign on after all, even if it was that office that began it in the first place.)

But, I really did stray there.. have you noticed, I wonder, how Rev 13:1 cross references with Daniel 7:7 and 19,20 and Nebuchadezzar's dream statue of Daniel chapter 2? Rev 13 big beast has ten horns and so does the Daniel 7:7,19-20 beast. And the Daniel 7 one has iron and bronze (or brass). And in Nebuchadnezzar's dream statue of world empires (affecting Israel?) had in it, iron and bronze. The bronze was Greece and the iron was Rome. (Most prophecy buffs and scholars alike believe.)

So that means (?) the big beast of Rev 13 has in it the iron and the bronze. And so it makes me think the final world ruling power (body) we will see attain world power in our day, will have Roman/Graeco roots. I.e. of Western Civilization. We all learned about the Roman/Greek roots in high school. Roman architecture, senates.. etc.. Greek drama, arts, philosophy, humanism.. The beast of Daniel 7, you likely remember, has great iron teeth (columns?) and what the iron doesn't subdue, the bronze feet ("claws") tear up and scatter the residue (via its human secularism upon all nations, they losing their identity).

Lately I've noticed how the last days man of sin, and also persons (like Paul said there were many) he seats himself in the seat of God, telling himself he is god the highest power.. Learned that from todays(?) false prophet (today's strongest philosophical influence on 'Christian' mankind, and turned western civilization (Christendom) on its ear.. and this false prophet/teacher/teaching does prophecy.. and inspires mankind to once again look to the stars like they did atop Babel Tower so long ago.
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[GodIsLove]

I don't claim to try to prophesize at all...

But I tend to shy away from anything that says the pope/Vatican/Catholicism is or will be the antichrist/beast/whatever.

For one thing, the entire world is moving toward becoming atheist/secular if anything, and the secular already demonize the Vatican/Catholicism.  Think priest pedophile scandals, their stance on abortion, allegations of money/greed, and a growing hatred of anything religious by the public. So if all of the secular world and all of the Protestant world is finger pointing at Catholics, this to me is a red flag that it is not the antichrist/beast/etc.

I tend to see the flaws of Catholicism in the same light as the flaws of Protestantism.

[rosered]

  God is Love ,    :thumbsup:


For the most part , it is religion in general, as well as government   ,  one is of the land   and the other of the sea .

Considering    both  important    rules  or rulers  /as a covenant broken  , like this ...    Even Israel   as a nation was an  unfaithful    woman to God ,   as    so are all nations  of adultery = idolatry   or visa versa  or   "the other way around". 

There is none righteous no not one ....  Considering GOD  sent His  one of a kind son   as the  only thing that would ever make a difference as proof of this truth .

[cgaviria]

I don't claim to try to prophesize at all...

But I tend to shy away from anything that says the pope/Vatican/Catholicism is or will be the antichrist/beast/whatever.

For one thing, the entire world is moving toward becoming atheist/secular if anything, and the secular already demonize the Vatican/Catholicism.  Think priest pedophile scandals, their stance on abortion, allegations of money/greed, and a growing hatred of anything religious by the public. So if all of the secular world and all of the Protestant world is finger pointing at Catholics, this to me is a red flag that it is not the antichrist/beast/etc.

I tend to see the flaws of Catholicism in the same light as the flaws of Protestantism.

Did it ever occur to you that all money in the world traces back to one place, the Vatican? Do your homework, and see for yourself where all the money from the central banks of every country in the world trace back to, in some way. So, even if the though many may be atheistic, they are still in subjection financially to rulers who are not, that trace back to the Vatican indirectly.

[marie glen]

Amen Godislove and Rosered, for all the reasons you both listed.

I figure Satan is an angel of light and uses all things.

Long ago the faith was used by others for politics.. for power.. The Church of England, etc was quite a lot like the Catholic Church.. and they had wars even, and both had inquisitions.. Also in modern age, some may have sought out church positions who were not even of the faith in order to be near children.

And I definitely agree, Godislove, that it now seems the most 'pressing' upon mankind spirit of today is atheistic and also of a person deciding for their self good from evil. All a POWERFUL force in the world and the gathering world trend seems to be secular not Christian.

I have no doubt at all there are many, many faithful believers in the Catholic belief(s). No denomination, etc is 100% right on, as we know, not by a long shot.

Of course Satan is tricky and still an angel of light.. so who knows what and who will finally play out..! :gsmile: