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“hell of eternal torment”

Started by micah7:9, May 10, 2017, 06:40:59 PM

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micah7:9

Could someone, anyone, who believes in a "hell of eternal torment" explain to me how these attributes of LOVE disintegrate, break up, disunite to form the teaching that the Almighty Lord will lose one of His children?
Luke wrote "For the Son of Mankind came to seek and to save the lost."
Paul in 1Co 13:1-13 If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am become sounding brass, or a clanging cymbal. ....but have not love, I am nothing.... Love suffereth long, and is kind; love envieth not; love vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up.....doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not its own, is not provoked, taketh not account of evil; ......rejoiceth not in unrighteousness, but rejoiceth with the truth; .....beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. ....LOVE NEVER FAILETH... But now abideth faith, hope, love, these three; and the greatest of these is love.
And Peter wrote...The Lord is not tardy as to the promise, as some are deeming tardiness, but is patient because of you, not intending any to perish, but all to make room for repentance." 2Pe 3:9
And yet there are some who believe that man's meager power of choice will OVER POWER the very WILL of The Saviour.... "My little children, these things am I writing to you that you may not be sinning. And if anyone should be sinning, we have an Entreater with the Father, Jesus Christ, the Just. And He is the propitiatory shelter concerned with our sins, yet not concerned with ours only, but concerned with the whole world also." 1Jo.2:1-2
1Jn 4:10 This is love indeed--we did not love God, but He loved us and sent His Son to be an atoning sacrifice for our sins.

jugghead

Because the attribute of love is mixed with "boasting"

If "I" say that "I" made a choice ..... a "wise" choice .... a wise choice to follow Christ ..... then "I" can boast in my wise decision (my wisdom) and feel superior to another .....

Therefore that feeling of being above another (superior) will always allow any doctrine to feed that mindset and grow even more

But we know that the majority (if not all) of the time ..... that choice is based upon "avoiding" hell, a choice made from fear, not love
Wisdom is not measured by time, it is measured by understanding

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micah7:9

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"Because the attribute of love is mixed with "boasting"....If this be true, then I declare it is not the love that I was taught.

Besides the love of Christ gives one no choice once found and dragged to His embrace.

If called, another doctrine is unaccepted, by faith we walk.

If one has not been taught a doctrine of a "hell" it just does  not figure into the repented mind.

WhiteWings

Quote from: micah7:9 on May 10, 2017, 06:40:59 PM
Could someone, anyone, who believes in a "hell of eternal torment" explain to me how these attributes of LOVE disintegrate, break up, disunite to form the teaching that the Almighty Lord will lose one of His children?
God loves His children so much, He gives them what they desire. They hate being with Him (in heaven) so He lovingly grands that wish and sends them somewhere out of His presence.

Something like that.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

jugghead

Quote from: micah7:9 on May 11, 2017, 03:59:11 AM
"Because the attribute of love is mixed with "boasting"....If this be true, then I declare it is not the love that I was taught.

Besides the love of Christ gives one no choice once found and dragged to His embrace.

If called, another doctrine is unaccepted, by faith we walk.

If one has not been taught a doctrine of a "hell" it just does  not figure into the repented mind.

OK, I should have reworded it

the attribute of "what they think is" love is mixed with boasting

I guess nothing can be taken for granted in what is meant
Wisdom is not measured by time, it is measured by understanding

Justification Under God's Grace Having Every Answer Delivered