An underused chapter from lamentations in support of UR

[Windwalker]

In my studies I ran across this and wanted to share an alternative perspective on it, the idea that in addition to talking about the destruction of Jerusalem this passage could also be a really beautiful litany from the perspective of someone who was formerly damned:

Great Is Your Faithfulness
1 I am the man who has seen affliction
    under the rod of his wrath;
2 he has driven and brought me
    into darkness without any light;
3 surely against me he turns his hand
    again and again the whole day long.
4 He has made my flesh and my skin waste away;
    he has broken my bones;
5 he has besieged and enveloped me
    with bitterness and tribulation;
6 he has made me dwell in darkness
    like the dead of long ago.
7 He has walled me about so that I cannot escape;
    he has made my chains heavy;
8 though I call and cry for help,
    he shuts out my prayer;
9 he has blocked my ways with blocks of stones;
    he has made my paths crooked.
10 He is a bear lying in wait for me,
    a lion in hiding;
11 he turned aside my steps and tore me to pieces;
    he has made me desolate;
12 he bent his bow and set me
    as a target for his arrow.
13 He drove into my kidneys
    the arrows of his quiver;
14 I have become the laughingstock of all peoples,
    the object of their taunts all day long.
15 He has filled me with bitterness;
    he has sated me with wormwood.
16 He has made my teeth grind on gravel,
    and made me cower in ashes;
17 my soul is bereft of peace;
    I have forgotten what happiness[a] is;
18 so I say, "My endurance has perished;
    so has my hope from the Lord."
19 Remember my affliction and my wanderings,
    the wormwood and the gall!
20 My soul continually remembers it
    and is bowed down within me.
21 But this I call to mind,
    and therefore I have hope:
22 The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases;
    his mercies never come to an end;
23 they are new every morning;
    great is your faithfulness. (Author's note: How does the believer in eternal suffering explain this, by the way? His love NEVER ceases; His mercies NEVER come to an end.)  :Chinscratch:
24 "The Lord is my portion," says my soul,
    "therefore I will hope in him."
25 The Lord is good to those who wait for him,
    to the soul who seeks him.
26 It is good that one should wait quietly
    for the salvation of the Lord.
27 It is good for a man that he bear
    the yoke in his youth.
28 Let him sit alone in silence
    when it is laid on him;
29 let him put his mouth in the dust—
    there may yet be hope;
30 let him give his cheek to the one who strikes,
    and let him be filled with insults.
31 For the Lord will not
    cast off forever, (Uhhh but if he eternally torments people he DOES cast off forever)  :declare:
32 but, though he cause grief, he will have compassion
    according to the abundance of his steadfast love;
33 for he does not afflict from his heart
    or grieve the children of men.
34 To crush underfoot
    all the prisoners of the earth, (Interesting parallel)
35 to deny a man justice
    in the presence of the Most High,
36 to subvert a man in his lawsuit,
    the Lord does not approve.
37 Who has spoken and it came to pass,
    unless the Lord has commanded it?
38 Is it not from the mouth of the Most High
    that good and bad come?
39 Why should a living man complain,
    a man, about the punishment of his sins?
40 Let us test and examine our ways,
    and return to the Lord!
41 Let us lift up our hearts and hands
    to God in heaven:
42 "We have transgressed and rebelled,
    and you have not forgiven.
43 "You have wrapped yourself with anger and pursued us,
    killing without pity;
44 you have wrapped yourself with a cloud
    so that no prayer can pass through.
45 You have made us scum and garbage
    among the peoples.
46 "All our enemies
    open their mouths against us;
47 panic and pitfall have come upon us,
    devastation and destruction;
48 my eyes flow with rivers of tears
    because of the destruction of the daughter of my people.
49 "My eyes will flow without ceasing,
    without respite,
50 until the Lord from heaven
    looks down and sees;
51 my eyes cause me grief
    at the fate of all the daughters of my city.
52 "I have been hunted like a bird
    by those who were my enemies without cause;
53 they flung me alive into the pit
    and cast stones on me;
54 water closed over my head;
    I said, 'I am lost.'
55 "I called on your name, O Lord,
    from the depths of the pit;
56 you heard my plea, 'Do not close
    your ear to my cry for help!'
57 You came near when I called on you;
    you said, 'Do not fear!'
58 "You have taken up my cause, O Lord;
    you have redeemed my life.
59 You have seen the wrong done to me, O Lord;
    judge my cause.
60 You have seen all their vengeance,
    all their plots against me.
61 "You have heard their taunts, O Lord,
    all their plots against me.
62 The lips and thoughts of my assailants
    are against me all the day long.
63 Behold their sitting and their rising;
    I am the object of their taunts.
64 "You will repay them,[c] O Lord,
    according to the work of their hands.
65 You will give them[d] dullness of heart;
    your curse will be[e] on them.
66 You will pursue them[f] in anger and destroy them
    from under your heavens, O Lord."

[marie glen]

A-men! :thumbsup: Especially verses 21-23.. and other verses you pointed out!
                                       You know.. more and more, I've been thinking lately, that many verses 'telescope' into U.R... But have escaped our notice because the other belief (E.T.) permeates the 'Good News' :sigh: , and has, for so long..

These verses are some really, really good examples! Thanks!! :thumbsup:

[Lazarus Short]

Most folks sing "Great is Thy Faithfulness" in church, and still subscribe to Damnationism.  :dunno2:

[Windwalker]

Most folks sing "Great is Thy Faithfulness" in church, and still subscribe to Damnationism.  :dunno2:

One of the things that actually got me on the subject back when I still subscribed to eternal torment in my early teens was me singing that song in church and then being like HEY WAIT A MINUTE... :doh:

[Lazarus Short]

Most folks sing "Great is Thy Faithfulness" in church, and still subscribe to Damnationism.  :dunno2:

One of the things that actually got me on the subject back when I still subscribed to eternal torment in my early teens was me singing that song in church and then being like HEY WAIT A MINUTE... :doh:

Sometimes, it takes a teenager to make the critical connections.  :gimmefive: