salvation of the devil

[micah7:9]

Click the website I posted and you will see where I got my information from.

Decide for yourself.

If God created a 'devil' to help His purpose, then He obviously considers the devil's life to be less than that of His other creations. If that is the case, then we all are at jeopardy. If one of us is less worthy from the time we are created, then God has a caste system, so to speak.

If He loves the sparrows, I believe He loves Lucifer.

His creations all reflect Him in some way. How can He not love them?

Lucifer waged war with God, in a way, but don't we, too, when we disobey Him?

Lucifer had greater powers than we do. What if Hitler or Stalin had Lucifer's powers?

Yet, we would say they will be saved.

My  :2c:

D.

There's a verse, I believe David talking about Jonathan (?) and it says something like.. "if you were my enemy.. but you were my close companion.. we broke (or dipped?) bread together.." which reminds me of Judas.. but also of Yahweh and 'Lucifer'/Heylel(?)
I found it! (Psalm 55:12-14)


12 For it was not an enemy that reproached me; then I could have borne it: neither was it he that hated me that did magnify himself against me; then I would have hid myself from him:

13 But it was thou, a man mine equal, my guide, and mine acquaintance.

14 We took sweet counsel together, and walked unto the house of God in company.

:dontknow: I can't help it.. it always makes me think of Jesus and Judas, and God and 'Satan'/adversary..

You are correct about that Psalm, Jesus and Judas.

[micah7:9]

Lucifer, or the devil was not created evil.

He sinned because of pride; wanting to be like God and given the glory that God had.

I found this in Christianity.com.

http://www.christianity.com/theology/theological-faq/how-did-lucifer-fall-and-become-satan-11557519.html

It gives references to the Bible, regarding the fall of the devil, from an archangel.

D.

It would seem that your article does nothing more than to try and prove it's theory by the basis that Isa.14 and Ezk. 28  is satan aka lucifer.
A list of the King James renderings of the word that is found in the "Hebrew" texts and transliterations of its various forms in every occurrence in the entire KJV Bible. Now you can be the judge. In all Hebrew or Aramaic texts of Isa. 14:12, the only word found is "heh-lehl," eill, which is a form of the Hebrew stem "yah-lahl," ill, meaning howl. Here is Kittel's Hebrew Text for the Hebrew Stem ill—"yah-lahl"—HOWL:

Isa. 13:6   eiliu   Howl ye
Isa. 14:31   eili   Howl
Isa. 15:2   iilil   shall howl
Isa. 15:3   iilil   shall howl
Isa. 16:7   iilil   Howl
Isa. 16:7   iilil   shall howl
Isa. 23:1   eililu   Howl ye
Isa. 23:6   eililu   Howl ye
Isa. 23:14   eililu   Howl ye
Isa. 52:5   eililu   make to howl
Isa. 65:14   eililu   shall howl
Jer. 4:8   ueililu   Howl
Jer. 25:34   eililu   Howl
Jer. 47:2   ueill   and shall howl
Jer. 48:20   eilili   Howl
Jer. 48:31   ailil   will I howl
Jer. 48:39   eililu   They shall howl (Howl ye)
Jer. 49:3   eilili   Howl (Howl ye)
Jer. 51:8   eililu   howl
Ezek.30:2   eililu   Howl ye
Hos. 7:14   iililu   They howled
Joel 1:5   ueililu   And howl
Joel 1:11   eililu   howl
Joel 1:13   eililu   And shall be howlings
Amos 8:1   ueililu   and howl
Micah 1:8   uailile   howl ye
Zeph. 1:11   aililu   Howl
Zech.11:2   eill   howl
Zech.11:2   eililu   howl
Isa. 14:12   eill   Lucifer (??)
I don't believe one has to be a Hebrew scholar to see at a glance that "Lucifer" is totally out of place in this list. The meaning of this word is clear; eill is a verb that means "HOWL", and not a noun than can be twisted into a personal name such as "lucifer"!

[sheila]

Jeremiah 25;34  Howl ye shepherds and cry..very interesting.......wolves howl.........mingled people..Babylon's destruction

 

[marie glen]

From Ezekiel 28 -

'You were the seal of perfection,
    full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 You were in Eden,
    the garden of God;

Questions I have to ask myself are,

When was the King of Tyre in Eden? Was he "perfect" at one time? Was there ever a human, besides, Jesus, who was "perfect"?

And, "howl" - what sort of person howls? person or angel who howls..?

I think the verses about the King of Tyre (Ez 28) and King of Babylon (Is 14) like Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler.. etc, etc.. are types and shadows of "the dragon"..

Like David in scripture is often used as a type and shadow of Jesus..
:Peace2: :girlheart:

[micah7:9]

From Ezekiel 28 -

'You were the seal of perfection,
    full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 You were in Eden,
    the garden of God;

Questions I have to ask myself are,

When was the King of Tyre in Eden? Was he "perfect" at one time? Was there ever a human, besides, Jesus, who was "perfect"?

And, "howl" - what sort of person howls? person or angel who howls..?

I think the verses about the King of Tyre (Ez 28) and King of Babylon (Is 14) like Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler.. etc, etc.. are types and shadows of "the dragon"..

Like David in scripture is often used as a type and shadow of Jesus..
:Peace2: :girlheart:

If you should check your Bible you will find many "Eden's" and whether it is a person or angel should not really matter the point is the word translates "howl" enough to extinguish the "lucifer" hoax, or at least it should. imo :Peace2: