John 10:1

[micah7:9]

John 10:1
KJV 1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

CLV 1 Verily, verily, I am saying to you, he who is not entering through the door into the fold of the sheep, but is climbing up elsewhere, that one is a thief and a robber."

Diaglott 1 Indeed indeed I say to you, he not entering through the door into the fold of the sheep, but going up another way, he a thief is and a robber;

Rotherham 1 Verily, verily, I say unto you:—He that entereth not, through the door, into the fold of the sheep, but goeth up from another place, that man, is, a thief, and, a robber.

YLT 1 `Verily, verily, I say to you, He who is not entering through the door to the fold of the sheep, but is going up from another side, that one is a thief and a robber;

Darby1 Verily, verily, I say to you, He that enters not in by the door to the fold of the sheep, but mounts up elsewhere, *he* is a thief and a robber;

Godbey 1 Truly, truly, I say unto you, the one coming not in through the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbing up some other way, he is a thief and a robber.

Coverdale 1 Verely verely I saye vnto you: He yt entreth not in at the dore in to the shepefolde, but clymmeth vp some other waye, the same is a thefe & a murthurer.

I searched many translations and most have a capital "He" my question is why would any of the translators make that a capital "He"? We know when we read vs. 1 to 18 that Jesus is both the Door and the Shepherd, is the "He" just another err?

Also could (my opinion) the "thief and robber" be those many who preach [yesteryear and today] the fear of a hell and guilt.....so just accept Jesus as your personal savior and you will be saved, just for their gain?

[Shev]

It is definitely a translation choice, and to me it would seem incorrect too. The oldest Greek manuscripts were written in capitals (uncials), so there would not have been an exact example to copy when it came to translating.

[jugghead]

Could it simply be, because it is the beginning of a sentence being said, as a quote, because wouldn't it be a quote from what the Father told the Son than told us?

[Shev]

Could it simply be, because it is the beginning of a sentence being said, as a quote, because wouldn't it be a quote from what the Father told the Son than told us?

That's an interesting thought, but if it were so I would have expected a 'ὅτι' before the He/he, as this is used to introduce a quote, among other uses.

[micah7:9]

All reasonable, thanks

[jugghead]

Could it simply be, because it is the beginning of a sentence being said, as a quote, because wouldn't it be a quote from what the Father told the Son than told us?

That's an interesting thought, but if it were so I would have expected a 'ὅτι' before the He/he, as this is used to introduce a quote, among other uses.

It would make more sense if the words "He that entereth" just said "entering" ..... and the word "climbeth" being "climbing ...... and the words "the same" being the original meaning "that one" ..... so it would say .....

Verily, verily, I say unto you, entering not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbing up some other way, that one is a thief and a robber.

another  :2c:

[eaglesway]

I personally believe jugghead is correct.

All of the translations that have the capital are pre 20th century bibles, where, when quoting a sentence, they began the quoted sentence with Capital Letter, because it is a sentence within itself apart from the introduction of it(Verily I say unto you)


"He is my friend," said I.

Then I quoted myself telling them, "He is my friend"



Its about changes in grammatical form- not translation.

[jugghead]

I personally believe jugghead is correct.

All of the translations that have the capital are pre 20th century bibles, where, when quoting a sentence, they began the quoted sentence with Capital Letter, because it is a sentence within itself apart from the introduction of it(Verily I say unto you)


"He is my friend," said I.

Then I quoted myself telling them, "He is my friend"



Its about changes in grammatical form- not translation.

So, it would be like Christ is speaking the introduction "Verily, verily, I say unto you" then it is a statement .....

"He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber" .

a statement directly from the Father through Christ, Christ being the vessel the Father speaks through (just as we are) ..... since we know all things have to go through Christ

[eaglesway]

Yes, at least thats what I think :o)

The quote is a sentence within a sentence.  :2c: