For someone you know who needs it..

[jabcat]

Just recently I was thinking about a family member talking about "there are only 2 places, heaven and hell, and they are real".  I thought I should prepare something to have handy, sort of a good summary I could give to someone like that when/if the time was right.  Then tonight I came across something I'd seen before, but voila!;  basically what I had been wanting.  May be useful to keep in the old back pocket.

:)

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/ifhellisreal.htm

[joeteekay]

Yes, that article tells it well. I like it. As it says "think about it"
:thumbsup:

[jabcat]

 :thumbsup:   :dsunny:

[Dandelion]

Nice!

But, still not easy!

:gsigh:

Happy New Year everyone!

D.

[jugghead]

From the article on Tentmaker:
If the Jews did not understand "Gehenna" as a symbol of everlasting torture, but rather as a place of shame, filth, and defilement (where Israel participated in the grossest form of idol worship), why does modern theology ascribe more to the word than the original meaning did? The teaching of Gehenna has evolved in Jewish teachings to include punishment in the afterlife; but even today, Gehenna still does not mean "endless" punishment to the Jews.

As I read this I could not help but have The Andy Griffith Show come to mind: it was the episode about gossip, where Barney had cut his finger while cleaning his gun and after the story had circulated it ended up Barney had accidentally shot himself in the chest while cleaning his gun and he died.

Each time an idea (usually an untruth) gets added to a story it grows in proportion, just as the Bible teaches will happen in our own carnal minds, that the serpent in the garden becomes the dragon in Revelation, thus the warning: beware the leaven of the Pharisees, for the carnal mind gives power to that which has none

[rosered]

From the article on Tentmaker:
If the Jews did not understand "Gehenna" as a symbol of everlasting torture, but rather as a place of shame, filth, and defilement (where Israel participated in the grossest form of idol worship), why does modern theology ascribe more to the word than the original meaning did? The teaching of Gehenna has evolved in Jewish teachings to include punishment in the afterlife; but even today, Gehenna still does not mean "endless" punishment to the Jews.

As I read this I could not help but have The Andy Griffith Show come to mind: it was the episode about gossip, where Barney had cut his finger while cleaning his gun and after the story had circulated it ended up Barney had accidentally shot himself in the chest while cleaning his gun and he died.

Each time an idea (usually an untruth) gets added to a story it grows in proportion, just as the Bible teaches will happen in our own carnal minds, that the serpent in the garden becomes the dragon in Revelation, thus the warning: beware the leaven of the Pharisees, for the carnal mind gives power to that which has none

:thumbsup:   Love what you shared here JUGG !!   :dsunny:    AMEN  :HeartThrob:

The thing is,   We will surly die  in Adam    , the serpents  LIE  was you will not surly die !        But in  Christ will be made alive    by Gods  glory    Word and Spirit in power   ,  and the the serpents dismay  and    defeat .......

  :HeartThrob:

[sheila]

I think you 'nailed it' jugghead..the tongue is an unruly member.....most subtil beast of the field....

  let every man say 'I am a liar[theif murderer]  and God alone is true...that he may be justified when he is judged.......

  Rev 13;7 and it was given unto him[beast] a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies....blasphemed God's name

and His tabernacle and them that dwell in heaven......

  and it was given unto him to make war with the saints and to overcome them..and 'power' was given him over all

   kindreds and TONGUES and nations.  James 3;8

   tongues..rot while they are speaking...and he who can control his tongue is perfect.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9:  :thumbsup:

[jugghead]

I think you 'nailed it' jugghead..the tongue is an unruly member.....most subtil beast of the field....

  let every man say 'I am a liar[theif murderer]  and God alone is true...that he may be justified when he is judged.......

  Rev 13;7 and it was given unto him[beast] a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies....blasphemed God's name

and His tabernacle and them that dwell in heaven......

  and it was given unto him to make war with the saints and to overcome them..and 'power' was given him over all

   kindreds and TONGUES and nations.  James 3;8

   tongues..rot while they are speaking...and he who can control his tongue is perfect.

Thank you for your kind words sheila ...... and HE who can control my tongue is perfect

[sheila]

 :thumbsup:  I'll never forget shortly after I left the legalistic condemning annhilation church I was in...one morning He come and told

me 'youv'e got dragon breath" :eek:  And the people's language shall be changed into a PURE language

  Pushing the eternal destruction and annhilation of most men..was doctrines of demons/dragon..boasting against God..and the

blood of the Son that bought them.

[Lazarus Short]

:thumbsup:  I'll never forget shortly after I left the legalistic condemning annhilation church I was in...one morning He come and told

me 'youv'e got dragon breath" :eek:  And the people's language shall be changed into a PURE language

  Pushing the eternal destruction and annhilation of most men..was doctrines of demons/dragon..boasting against God..and the

blood of the Son that bought them.

Yes, we all have dragon's breath - it is in our language.  Just look at all the "de-" and "dis-" words in the dictionary.  Look at how we swear and use foul language versus a few examples form 3000 years ago, with the formula "God do the same to me and more also, if..." 

[sheila]

   :thumbsup: Laz...... :friendstu:

[marie glen]

:thumbsup:  I'll never forget shortly after I left the legalistic condemning annhilation church I was in...one morning He come and told

me 'youv'e got dragon breath" :eek:  And the people's language shall be changed into a PURE language

  Pushing the eternal destruction and annhilation of most men..was doctrines of demons/dragon..boasting against God..and the

blood of the Son that bought them.

Amen! :iagree: :iagree: 'Hell' is a doctrine of demons...

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I've never forgotten you telling me that......He's so funny..... :flamebreath:

[rosered]

Amen  sistas !!! 
   rev 12
  The  dragon was wroth/angry  with the woman  and the earth helped her out by swallowing up     the   dragons flood .

So this must be   why   the wisdom of the world is earthly and sensual and devilish    those waters  /voices are below  , not above , but below   and cause   those sandy   houses to fail  by the flood of lies    ,  building on the ROCK  SOLID TRUTH     that even the gates of hell / gehenna cannot prevail against . 

16But the earth helped the woman,

and the earth opened its mouth and drank up the river which the dragon poured out of his mouth.

17So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children,

who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
And  so the spiritual children    , born  free  and of  the Spirit   those Isaacs     are    persecuted by the Ishmael     children of the bond and  bound     woman

29  But as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit,[I see this as more of a war within ourselves and also outside influences  as well  ]     


so it is now also.

30But what does the Scripture say? "CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN AND HER SON, FOR THE SON OF THE BONDWOMAN SHALL NOT BE AN HEIR WITH THE SON OF THE FREE WOMAN." 31So then, brethren, we are not children of a bondwoman, but of the free woman.



   Accuser of the brethren [DRAGON BREATH]   by the flood of lies   that the earth swallowed up    whole ..

   rev 12 ...9And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world[;By the earth opening up her mouth ]


he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.


10Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come,


for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down,

he who accuses them before our God day and night.

11"And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their testimony, and they did not love their life even when faced with death....

  To die in the Lord is gain   phil  1


  To Live Is Christ
21 For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain.

22 But if I am to live on in the flesh, this will mean fruitful labor for me;


and I do not know which to choose.


23 But I am hard-pressed from both directions, having the desire to depart and be with Christ, for that is very much better;


24 yet to remain on in the flesh is more necessary for your sake.


25 Convinced of this, I know that I will remain and continue with you all for your progress and joy in the faith,

26 so that your proud confidence in me may abound in Christ Jesus through my coming to you again.

27 Only conduct yourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that whether I come and see you or remain absent,


I will hear of you that you are standing firm in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;

28 in no way alarmed by your opponents—which is a sign of destruction for them,


but of salvation for you, and that too, from God.


29 For to you it has been granted for Christ's sake, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake,


30 experiencing the same conflict which you saw in me, and now hear to be in me.

[sheila]

  cursed is the earth for thy sake,Adam...the old earth is cursed under the law.[earth opens it mouth and swallows up the dragon flood]

.but He makes all things NEW..and there is no longer any curse..nor death,nor tears,nor pain..etc.

[rosered]

  cursed is the earth for thy sake,Adam...the old earth is cursed under the law.[earth opens it mouth and swallows up the dragon flood]

.but He makes all things NEW..and there is no longer any curse..nor death,nor tears,nor pain..etc.

  True  that , but those whom are still in Adam    sleep in the dust/their flesh  till they hear   His voice   calling them by name

  Just like Lazarus , he is my brother Lord ...      Lazarus  come forth out of the grave ,,     Lazarus is a given name and surname. It is derived from the Hebrew אלעזר, Elʿāzār (Eleazar) meaning "God has helped".

[jugghead]

  cursed is the earth for thy sake,Adam...the old earth is cursed under the law.[earth opens it mouth and swallows up the dragon flood]

.but He makes all things NEW..and there is no longer any curse..nor death,nor tears,nor pain..etc.

So this goes along the same lines as the other thread I started ..... and there is no longer any curse ..... no longer any "threat of Divine punishment" (curse)

[sheila]

 :thumbsup:  see Balaam and what he found out when Balack hired[man] him to curse Israel.

[sheila]

Rev 2;14.....stumbling block of Balaam...

   there must be an 'end' of sin...and a seperating from the ministry of death..that He may appear again unto us..seperate from sin.

   following the Holy spirit..you do not practice sin[law practice of accusor unto death]

[marie glen]

Amen He shall make all things new! He cannot help but do that and have that effect. How wonderful that He is teaching us all (in heaven and earth / angel and man) good from evil .. And teaching us all at once, having engineered the straying into sin/"missing the mark" in such a way that all would take this unavoidable journey and lesson all together.. Get it all out of the way first.. Unavoidable if there's to be thinking ability, plus a paradise/ perfection that endures age unto age and ages unto ages.. (For the smoke of the destruction - both personal and collective - will rise up age unto age .. the memory of and thorough convincing, that is, of what is good from what is evil which I believe is also life from nonlife.. And if life and death is ultimately what good and evil is.. What all does that mean? :Chinscratch: