Faith

[jugghead]

Here is what has been shown to me and why I believe what I do:

Faith (G4102)

pistis
pis'-tis
From G3982; persuasion, that is, credence; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), especially reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstractly constancy in such profession; by extension the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself: - assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity.

(Credence: 1. belief as to the truth of something 2. something giving a claim to belief or confidence)

(I believe the words "of religious truth", "a religious teacher" and "system of religious" should be eliminated from this definition, because we should rely on the Father for truth, not religious men. The reason why, because Christ Himself had a problem with religious men of His time.)

FROM: G3982
peithō
pi'-tho
A primary verb; to convince (by argument, true or false); by analogy to pacify or conciliate (by other fair means); reflexively or passively to assent (to evidence or authority), to rely (by inward certainty): - agree, assure, believe, have confidence, be (wax) content, make friend, obey, persuade, trust, yield.

(And also I believe, the words "by inward certainty" should be extremely emphasized)

So what is faith? Is it something we have in something else?

For example: this statement of "I have faith in God." Are we to understand this as: you have faith that God "will do" something in the future, seeing it in the "future" tense?
But when you see this statement as something that has already taken place ... it has an effect on our present moment, we now see the old statement of "I have faith in God" as "I have been persuaded/convinced by the Father". (This having to do with perception, which is also related to: repentance; meaning to think differently)

This is the faith that Abraham was convinced of: God convinced Abraham, Abraham believed God and therefore it was accounted to him as righteousness. Abraham believing "what God persuaded/convinced him of" is what was accounted to Abraham as righteousness.
Rom 4:3  For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

G4100
pisteuō
pist-yoo'-o
From G4102; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), that is, credit; by implication to entrust (especially one's spiritual well being to Christ): - believe (-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with.

(Again, taken from G4102, meaning: persuasion .... also I believe the words "especially one's spiritual well being to Christ" should be strongly emphasized, because our spiritual well being should not be entrusted to religious men.)

So, this is how I believe we are to understand the word "faith", we have to see: Faith IS "that which we have been persuaded/convinced of by our heavenly Father" which this mindset effects us now, not at some future event in time, our life or in the world.

The kingdom of God is at hand, this is a "NOW" statement, not a "future event" statement.

There were three main things that the Father used to convince me not to rely on religious men:

First:
Rom 3:3  For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith (persuasion, convincing) of God without effect?
Rom 3:4  God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
Second:
There are over 30,000 denominations of Christianity, what are the odds of finding the one that is "ALL" truth? I believe ..... slim to none (more than likely none). And the reason there ARE so many different denominations is because of their own interpretation of His word. When one or more disagree with the others in the congregation, they split off and form another church, in other words ... they form another denomination.
Third:
Religious people are always looking to a future event that "is to happen" becoming first the servant, but never move on into what "did happen" that made them sons, to have an effect on their lives "now" in the present.

How can we ... "as seekers of the truth" ... trust any man when they can't even agree among themselves?

The foundation of the majority of "religious" Christian belief systems is not founded upon Christ, despite their claims that it is,  it is founded upon their doctrine of Hell, not upon Christ. Christ is only secondary to hell.

According to religion, as they teach it, you have to:
First, be convinced in the existence of hell (as they teach it)
Second, be convinced you are headed there (because that is what they believed)
Third, be convinced you have to do something about it. (because that is what they did)

The fear of going to hell has to be firmly planted in your mind (as it was in them). FEAR has to grow in your mind ... FEAR is the snare of the devil ..... it binds you and will torment you until you feel you are doing enough to get into the grace of God ..... not knowing that you are trying to buy your way in by works.

When we fully understand that Christ is the only one (not you) that can free you from the bondage of fear, by convincing you that your sins have been forgiven, can you have the peace that goes beyond understanding. That my friend is walking in "faith" ..... in other words "walking in what you have been convinced of".

FAITH = That which you have been convinced/persuaded of

This is what Paul meant when he says, you are saved by grace through faith and that not of yourselves ..... meaning, it was not you who convinced yourself that you have been saved by grace.

God's definition of a child: one who is immature in understanding who He is; He is a loving Father, not a vindictive dictator.

[Ross]

Here is what has been shown to me and why I believe what I do:

So, this is how I believe we are to understand the word "faith", we have to see: Faith IS "that which we have been persuaded/convinced of by our heavenly Father" which this mindset effects us now, not at some future event in time, our life or in the world.

The kingdom of God is at hand, this is a "NOW" statement, not a "future event" statement.

Rom 3:3  For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith (persuasion, convincing) of God without effect?
Rom 3:4  God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

How can we ... "as seekers of the truth" ... trust any man when they can't even agree among themselves?

When we fully understand that Christ is the only one (not you) that can free you from the bondage of fear, by convincing you that your sins have been forgiven, can you have the peace that goes beyond understanding. That my friend is walking in "faith" ..... in other words "walking in what you have been convinced of".

FAITH = That which you have been convinced/persuaded of

This is what Paul meant when he says, you are saved by grace through faith and that not of yourselves ..... meaning, it was not you who convinced yourself that you have been saved by grace.

God's definition of a child: one who is immature in understanding who He is; He is a loving Father, not a vindictive dictator.

Awesome summary. The nail has been hit on the head.
Paul talks about this when quoting Isaiah in Romans about the pot saying to the potter why it was made. Man does indeed try to outdo God.
I.M.O this would be a problems if man was greater than God. However, this time of learning seems to be so that we are have our horizons expanded beyond our current abilities.

[jugghead]

The flesh is limited ....... the Spirit is not

[Ross]

The kingdom of God is at hand, this is a "NOW" statement, not a "future event" statement.

Amen!! :gimmefive:

The flesh is limited ....... the Spirit is not

Love the scenario in 1 Cor 6 about judging angels. Hence we need to know the system. The flesh is not even aware of the system, but the spirit is and so sees/perceives things from basically the opposite perspective. As Paul mentions in Gal 5.
Would also be why Paul says we have the mind of Christ; we are not to be conformed to the things of this age but transformed.
We will be like Him because we will see Him as He truly is.
Complete change of our format will effect changes which are awesome.

[rosered]

 

  Amazing  post Jugg   Amen !!

Amen Ross ..


  I had to wake up fresh to read it ....  I thought of  a few things   that you helped remind me  of or the Spirit   did in my sleep   ..I know that sounds  weird but that is when the carnal  mind sleeps an the Spiritual mind receives instruction    to me ....    at rest

after all this warning is between the HOLY Spirit and the flesh   and also  warring with  ''spirits ' that are not of God , but  unclean spirits ....
Spiritual  warfare     

I am  pretty sure the flesh knows nothing of God  , except   fear of the Lord   when awakened out of sleep ..

I do believe this is discerning the spirits  to know if they are of God or not     and Paul speaking of judging angels   same as  messengers   of satan/death    to  quench the Spirit    , this is why     that warning in in the WORD OF GOD  , making sure you know what manner of spirit you are of ,   
Above  /Life  or below /death ,,,,

  Paul said ,  If I speak with the  tongue   of men or angels      and   Love is not the foundation and motive of the heart    to LOVE GOD FIRST  and others as yourself  , this to me is        all about FAITH   that  is a building material  along with HOPE  and LOVE    these  three    are the building materials   of those   3 days   to build the   HOLY temple      with in Jesus Christ and the Bride    , the faith is Abram  to Abraham  of old  called a friend of God and we see   that JESUS CHRIST  CALLS THEM FRIENDS and  Laying down His LIFE  for friends  , that building up pattern    , Lay it down to take it back up again [ascending and  descending on the SON OF MAN ...   and   return   to YOU  and dwell with you   in the same manner you seen Him go   Acts  1 ;11"Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven."

I am convinced that those who obey the instruction of meeting  Him in Galilee   are   eagerly waiting for Him in Hebrews without sin ,,  Galilee    has a very strong   and powerful spiritual significance    with Jesus   healing ministry  and raising the dead to Life again and giving  power over all   the enemy even death itself
the North   where those  Give GODS SPIRIT REST/quieted  His anger  zECH  6   the wheels and chariots   wheels rolling within the wheels   Gal gal  http://biblehub.com/hebrew/1534.htm



The Four Chariots
...7"When the strong ones went out, they were eager to go to patrol the earth." And He said, "Go, patrol the earth." So they patrolled the earth. 8Then He cried out to me and spoke to me saying, "See, those who are going to the land of the north have appeased My wrath in the land of the north."

Ezekiel 5:13
"Then my anger will cease and my wrath against them will subside, and I will be avenged. And when I have spent my wrath on them, they will know that I the LORD have spoken in my zeal.

Ezekiel 16:42
Then my wrath against you will subside and my jealous anger will turn away from you; I will be calm and no longer angry.

Ezekiel 24:13
"'Now your impurity is lewdness. Because I tried to cleanse you but you would not be cleansed from your impurity, you will not be clean again until my wrath against you has subsided.

Zechariah 1:15
and I am very angry with the nations that feel secure. I was only a little angry, but they went too far with the punishment.'
Treasury of Scripture
Then cried he on me, and spoke to me, saying, Behold, these that go toward the north country have quieted my spirit in the north country.

quieted.
Hebrews  9 ...27And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, 28so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.


I  do  have faith that  this is spiritual in meaning    everyone whom has died once   , that baptism  in Christ   will be raised  ,without sin  eagerly waiting , that was overcoming the world though faith in Gods Word and Spirit    and what   JESUS CHRIST DONE FOR THEM , believing in the only Son of God  for salvation     and the grace was  given and the peace   was granted     to us     between     heaven and earth  by  the Lord Jesus Christ    to  the Father  and connected ,   this union  covenant  between the Son of man and the Son of God    healing and Life is new  in Christ
I do believe this is a process   of the little ones , your sins are forgiven you for His names sake   ,  young men you are strong because you have overcome the evil one   and fathers because you have known from the beginning  , in the beginning     Was the   Word of God  John 1 1In the beginning was the Word,

and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God....

We have His faith to believe this !!     from the beginning......

1 Corn 13 1If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

2If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing....
       LOVE   the very foundation of TRUTH    that  holds it all together  as ONE ...  One Spirit one faith one hope one baptism  HIS DEATH    and ALL  being poured out on us by ONE SPIRIT  OF LOVE  for our lives .     Ephesians 4:4-6(NASB)

4 There is one body and one Spirit,

just as also you were called in one hope of your calling;

5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all. 
   Wow !!!!!!!!   A powerful truth        THE 7  AND FULLNESS   OF THE GOD HEAD BODILY       WOW!!     am rejoicing    with tears of joy  right now

If this is not unspeakable and full of glory !!!!!!!!!!!!,  Just as Paul was unable to  or unlawful to utter under the law     , Gods grace  has been shed upon us  freely  in the LORD JESUS CHRIST,  This name is there no other   name under heaven / under the law   by which you MUST BE SAVED      being  Gods chosen from the beginning  to the END        The Alpha and OMEGA      the circle of LIFE AND WHEEL ROLLING        within the wheel  as ONE  MIGHTY WORK OF GOD  Though His own  WORD OF LIFE and SPIRIT OF LIFE    and GLORY !!!  :banana:   :HeartThrob:    Oh my goodness , this   has been and  revealing   to me  and hope this blesses others just as much    in AWE  OF HIM ..... come Lord  Jesus  come     your salvation to all

[Ross]

T'is literally mind blowing stuff.
The concept of being able to fathom he love of God; Eph 3;19 " To know the love of Christ which surpasses knowledge"
Then;
2 Cor 3;18 " And We ALL, with unveiled faces, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, ARE BEING TRANSFORMED INTO THE SAME IMAGE FROM ONE DEGREE OF GLORY TO ANOTHER, just as from the Lord Who is the Spirit."
WOW! :cloud9:
His blessings are indescribable; they fill the heart to overflowing. Joy unspeakable.

[sheila]

   ......... :HeartThrob: