Positive changes since discovering UR

[darryl]

Positive changes ?...so many changes...I love Jesus SO much more now..I see Jesus, I see Him now as pure Love..pure compassion...so Good, so truly truly good...my love for Jesus before was tainted and contaminated by the evil doctrine of 'eternal punishment in hell'..whether I believed that eternal punishment was just separation from God forever or actually burning in hell- fire, it really messed me up spiritually..I was at odds inside..half believing God was good but always, in back of my mind, terrified and not fully trusting..for who can truly trust a God who will do such an awful hideous thing as burn precious human beings alive thru all eternity,,never ending ..unceasing ?..or turning His back on people forever ?...separating them from Himself forever ?..it's like I was blind, so very blind...now I KNOW that's a wicked lie and I fall down on my knees every day, sometimes tears streaming..thanking my Lord and my God for his Goodness and Wisdom..knowing He WILL ultimately bring ALL home...bring ALL through...HE truly is that Great...He doesnt need men to save..He is not dependent on men and women to save others ..He does it Himself..He will do it Himself and He will get ALL the glory..for He is the Savior of the World.Amen.

Beautiful! And so true!

And I find that I am able to grow in love and trust in God more and more, as time goes on! More is being shown to us and the momentum is building.

Some other changes I have noticed, another post on here from Rose reminded me...

When I pray with my kids I used to just pray for our family and some close friends. Now- I pray for our family and friends and add "and the whole world"!

When my 3 year old, who is into super heroes, talks about good guys and bad guys I try to teach him that bad guys can turn into good guys, and some day God will accomplish just that :)

yes !..yes !!..God is good at that...turning 'bad guys' into Good Guys...yes !..your 3 year old is lucky to have such a good Mom who  is blessed to know the truth !...Amen. !.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I personally probably have had less of a staggering change from Him showing it to me for 2 reasons, the particular way/scripture He did, and possibly because I was never indoctrinated by anyone, wasn't raised up in the polar opposite and it's accompanying horror stories and trauma that seem to be part and parcel of it.

So for that reason, I guess I consider myself the least of the UR proponents, not because I don't know it to be truth, but because He's never had to lead me out of that particular deep pit. God knows He's had His hands full with plenty of other deep pits with me, so perhaps I got spared this one?

But it warms my heart every time I see a new one come through who has been set free of the lies and is being healed from the damage any lie causes. My  :2c:  :HeartThrob: Blessings....

[darryl]

:cloud9: I personally probably have had less of a staggering change from Him showing it to me for 2 reasons, the particular way/scripture He did, and possibly because I was never indoctrinated by anyone, wasn't raised up in the polar opposite and it's accompanying horror stories and trauma that seem to be part and parcel of it.

But it warms my heart every time I see a new one come through who has been set free of the lies and is being healed from the damage any lie causes. My  :2c:  :HeartThrob: Blessings....

thank you for your blessings  :HeartThrob:..I must say that I wasn't indoctrinated by any particular person to believe in 'eternal separation from God' (I put it like that because I did not always believe God actively 'punished' people in 'hell' ( at one time I believed unrepentant people were annihilated which is still not good ) ..however,  the main thing was that I believed one could be forever separated from God, which is bad enough...

it's just a fact that 'eternal hell' or 'eternal separation from God' is a pivotal teaching of the world wide evangelical church..they say that's the reason Jesus came..to save us from God's wrath and 'eternal hell'..so, that's why I basically believed it, as millions of other evangelical Christians still do...because it's either explicitly or implicitly  (subtlety ) taught.

I was never raised to believe in 'eternal hell'...my Mom never ever taught me such a thing..and my Dad never did..but the evangelical church did for many years as it does for anybody who attends 'fundamentalist type' or even 'mainline' evangelical churches (I have attended both types in my life ) ..even mainline evangelical churches believe people can be eternally separated from God if they die in their sins in an unrepentant state....

even if the evangelical preachers don't mention 'eternal hell' it's still the backdrop for their teachings about why Jesus came died and rose again..to save us from God's wrath and 'eternal hell'..and I don't know how to change this false belief of the evangelical church..

believing in 'eternal hell' does not always lead to horror and trauma but it can make one feel 'separate' and superior to others...that's the main effect it had on me..made me feel 'separate' from unbelievers and somewhat spiritually 'superior' to them...plus, I was sometimes scared that I might end up in 'eternal hell'  or that somebody I loved might which is a form of 'horror and trauma' I suppose.

anyway, enough about me...you're are blessed in some ways that you never got heavily involved with fundamentalist or even mainline evangelical churches and became exposed to the doctrine of 'eternal punishment in hell'.

I'm not saying these churches are all bad as they do much good and I do not regret all the time I spent in that system ( I had some great fellowship there, heard some great sermons and enjoyed all the worship songs etc ) but, as I said, they do believe in 'eternal separation from God' for unrepentant people who die without Christ which can lead to problems if one is a thinking person, a sensitive person, as I am.

By the way, I still attend an evangelical church (albeit a far more 'tolerant' church than the churches I used to attend )  but they do not mention 'eternal hell' much ( hardly at all come to think of it ) and I quite enjoy it there...plus, I know better now not to take talk of 'eternal hell' to heart.

Sorry to ramble on so much.Phew !..trying to explain this stuff by way of text is hard work and gets complicated !.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Well, you know the lie is so pervasive in societies really all over the world and popular culture, it occurs to me now there probably is no way anyone HASN'T been indoctrinated with some version of it, whether aware of it or not.

Apparently it just didn't "take" that well with me. I always believed in God from a small child and I talked to Him from a small child, so maybe I just couldn't reconcile Him as being evil like that. Judgment to the flesh yes, "torturing animals and small children" sort of personage, no. Blessings....

[GodIsLove]

Cardinal,
When you mentioned your faith from a young age it reminded me..

When I was pretty young I felt a connection with God, a very loving accessible God. When I was probably 4-5 or so my mom was explaining heaven to me and she said I told her "we don't go to heaven, our love does" which looking back on it is sort of what I believe again--after the chaff burns our love is what remains, and God is love, so that is the "All in all"

Then I got older and so so any things clouded that simple childlike understanding --- Catholicism, Protestantism, atheism, rebellion, trauma, etc.

It reminds me of:

Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."

And he said: "Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

:HeartThrob:

[rosered]

 
Wow !
  You are a blessing Darryl and glad you are here  and  willing to share what is in your heart    ... :HeartThrob:

  I am glad to see  Becca back to and sharing   the goodness  of God

  When I read your post  Daryll  ,  I though of   Israel  in   Jeremiah 24 being sent to Babylon 

Now we all have our  abilities   from the Holy Spirit   teaching us  different things and in different ways

I have always internalized  the WORD OF GOD   meaning

VERB (USED WITH OBJECT) [IN·TER·NAL·IZED, IN·TER·NAL·IZ·ING.]
1.
to incorporate (the cultural values, mores, motives, etc., of another or of a group), as through learning, socialization, or identification.
2.
to make subjective or give a subjective character to.
3.
Linguistics. to acquire (a linguistic rule, structure, etc.) as part of one's language competence.

This does describe   my experiences well

  I have always considered     anyone  at any time   being under the law  as   Jacob /supplanter  and seeing after God dealt with his story being  our story too and  God changing his name to Israel      meaning God prevails

I have always  believed   when first awakened     to   the knowledge of God    like Becca as a small child   and you , but  taught  by hearing  [faith as a small child ]   

  That there is  a God  , but my fears were not of God  so much as wonderment  , God made us  curious   , I believe on purpose

  I saw things as a small child   that instilled fear in my  being , I saw shadow people ''  dark figures ''  that moved in the night  and believed them to be real , they were real to me

  Some  could say , that is the vivid  imagination of a child    to see such things  ,  and was only  5 or 6  and these ''things ''   would come near at night to torment

   little ones , now my brother and sister saw these too , not just me     , this is why I know that there was evil present    in the world    and in our house and   robbing the little ones of rest      .
No one can explain this , see it was carnal mindedness     that is the  enmity/ hatred   against the Spirit  , we told our parents and they just blew it off as silly   childsplay   

  When the carnal mind has tricks played in it , there is no compensation  , no understanding it  , and certainly  no power over it at all !!!!!!

We were fear driven , scared to go to bed at night  and covered myself at night as to not see  anything and did not want to be touched by them shardow things   that moved in the night  and attacked my little brother    , literally  lifting him out of his bed      and thowing him on the floor !!!

   there was  loud noise and screams and   every chaos  in the middle of the night and mom and dad  poor mom and dad , called it a bad dream  and get to sleep its late!!  go to bed !! 
No one knows the  hell / fear  /torment    in your mind  and totally powerless  over it ! But this is when I begin to pray  as a little child thinking God you are so far away   , please come help us  , there was at least two one was much taller  and almost reached the  threshold  and I recall its  arms reaching  out over  us  and coming for us closer and closer    , instilling   more fear and  torment   ,  so cruel  and a smaller one always  moving around  less threatening   but just the presence was  scary
Sounds so silly I know  , and unbelievable and hate to talk about   such things   as evil  as they are .
but   I thank God we got though  that  and dad got a different job as a journeyman lineman .
I was never so  glad to move in my life  and when we left that place   there was  some relief !!!! I do believe God heard our cries  and delivered us from that evil ,  and you know that made us 3 children  much tighter  throughout our lives  having that in common .    There was always some strange  unexplainable things  happening and will not go into them details   ... but they do makes believers out of you even at a small age ... and keep you on your guard ..
   
Back to what started as   Israel   , I am so sorry don't know what  made me go there  :sigh:

They were led out of the world / Egypt    types and shadows  into the wilderness   and into captivity    and than sent to Babylon  , as baskets of figs
  figs are the fruit/works  [knowledge of good and evil  ]    bearing from    the law  of  sin and  death   as a covering , the fig leaves cover   of ourselves  for sin and not help anyone but whom is covered  by them our own  fig tree   
  This is just a crash course of searching out  many discoveries   when in the Word of God   to me that helped to understand  the process  of being  alive in the world  but than the law come and being UNDER IT  , puts you to work and to death  trying to save yourself       in Babylon    mixing   the good and evil being humbled greatly  that you cannot save yourself under the law  because there is no grace ,  just works  with little faith ,believing in something that is not  you but not of God either , but called God   but   it is the  Great  Harlot of the earth ..

when the baskets of figs are carried out  of Her  , they are very good figs and than there are baskets of very bad figs

   Jesus gives us this parable of the fig tree   as an  answer to that question  , what has just happened  to us ???? :eek:

He also gives us clarity   on making the tree good and the fruit good or make the tree corrupt and its fruit corrupt a tree is known by its fruit
 
   What ever happens in the old testament  , this is my thoughts,  the answers are found in the new testament   WITNESS  , they do testify of one another  perfectly

This is when   we get to come to Christ   , this judgment seat of Christ  to me ,  and  is  determining   trees  , fruits and sheep and goats   etc  to me   in all His parables  and plain speech to HIS disciples / students    of His Word

It seems we get to walk out the WORD OF GOD  in our lives in some way or the other  , and when you look at the Word as some other people  and some other place and some other time    we can get lost in the Word of God    and like  a man groping in the dark and stumbling over everything in the way  cannot find our way to the light switch       

This may be way we are to sit and wait on the Lord to come in our darkness  to help us  enter His glorious  kingdom ...
Yes I was like a beggar sitting at the door and knocking and seeking and  asking for Holy Spirit help in  that hour of need  , I could never save myself  , so humbled and lost and  forsaken and every place I looked Jesus was not there    , till He come in the night /darkness and mercy was given  .

  Some  testimony huh? An  open book  now .

  God bless you Daryll   , you are my new found brother in the Lord  and glad you know you ...  love to all  :HeartThrob:  Rose 

 

[rosered]

Cardinal,
When you mentioned your faith from a young age it reminded me..

When I was pretty young I felt a connection with God, a very loving accessible God. When I was probably 4-5 or so my mom was explaining heaven to me and she said I told her "we don't go to heaven, our love does" which looking back on it is sort of what I believe again--after the chaff burns our love is what remains, and God is love, so that is the "All in all"

Then I got older and so so any things clouded that simple childlike understanding --- Catholicism, Protestantism, atheism, rebellion, trauma, etc.

It reminds me of:

Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."

And he said: "Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

:HeartThrob:

  Beautiful testimony  sis !!   :HeartThrob:  Love warms us and the vibration of connection seems to  grant peace among the living   from the dead  spiritually speaking .


  I was writing all that and  when I saw your post    , it is true we   do connect in   JESUS CHRIST  BODY as  a place of peace   and understanding  in  the Love of GOD etc , as if  it was meant to be   .

Some say , oh feelings they are   just so misleading  ,  you cannot go by your feelings  , but I say you have never been touched by God then   !,

  but I still believe with all my heart that   LOVE IS   as strong as death   and LOVE WILL PREVAIL  in the end as GODS WORD  AND SPIRIT declare it  :HeartThrob:

[jugghead]

Some say , oh feelings they are   just so misleading  ,  you cannot go by your feelings  , but I say you have never been touched by God then   !,

I completely agree with this rose ..... when He used the heart and the mind to teach me differences

The mind = that which gives birth to thought (male)
The heart = that which gives birth to feelings (female)

If the two are not working as one in truth, one will always rule over the other

Thoughts have to submit to feelings as much as feelings have to submit to thought, this is a covenant between the two to keep peace

[rosered]

Some say , oh feelings they are   just so misleading  ,  you cannot go by your feelings  , but I say you have never been touched by God then   !,

I completely agree with this rose ..... when He used the heart and the mind to teach me differences

The mind = that which gives birth to thought (male)
The heart = that which gives birth to feelings (female)

If the two are not working as one in truth, one will always rule over the other

Thoughts have to submit to feelings as much as feelings have to submit to thought, this is a covenant between the two to keep peace

  I never thought of it this way before !!    awesome ! 
  It does seem to be    Love expressed    is the   HOLY   Spirit
    The  conception of Jesus Christ / Word of God was    formed  , IN  the pure   virgin heart /woman  / Mary



  By the Holy Spirit  covering her with favor [Wisdom of God ]


    And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit  shall come upon thee,

and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.


  Oh my , this  sure  gives a  whole new meaning to being  born again from your mother's womb!!!!! 

and being born again from Above and the Christ in you the hope of glory eh ?! 

[jugghead]

Just as Eve was created from Adam ..... so is a feeling created from a thought .....

[rosered]

Just as Eve was created from Adam ..... so is a feeling created from a thought .....

:dsunny:

Phil  4 Think on These Things!

8 Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right,

whatever is pure, whatever is lovely,

whatever is of good repute,

if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things.


9The things you have learned and received and heard and seen in me,

practice these things, and the God of peace will be with you.

  :HeartThrob:

[jugghead]

When the seed (word) from above is planted in a pure heart (good soil) it will always produce Love ..... which in turn gives birth to Life

Just as the Father has a Son ..... Love has a Life ..... a Life in us, the body of Christ

[marie glen]

I'm thinking these days, the biggest change I've experienced, even tho I never believed in a hell not being taught by others, but meeting others who believe in His goodness has both mellowed me and given me strength. I'm no longer afraid to admit I believe as I do, to or in front of other believers (which is mostly on the web  :laughing7: ).. But the happiest thing is I'm finding I talk to Jesus more throughout the day..

[rosered]

When the seed (word) from above is planted in a pure heart (good soil) it will always produce Love ..... which in turn gives birth to Life

Just as the Father has a Son ..... Love has a Life ..... a Life in us, the body of Christ

  Amen !! that is amazingly  said !!!!   :banana:  wonderful !!!
I thought of Jesus speaking to Nicodemus  . telling him [ knowing he was carnally minded still]    set on earthly things ..under the law of death .
If you don't believe in the  earthly things   
  How Can I tell you of heavenly things  !!!

Wowza!!     am thrilled with the Lords    mercy  and grace  this   joyful morning  :dsunny:

  God bless and thank you so much for sharing   this  :HeartThrob:

[rosered]

I'm thinking these days, the biggest change I've experienced, even tho I never believed in a hell not being taught by others, but meeting others who believe in His goodness has both mellowed me and given me strength. I'm no longer afraid to admit I believe as I do, to or in front of other believers (which is mostly on the web  :laughing7: ).. But the happiest thing is I'm finding I talk to Jesus more throughout the day..

  Good morning sister Marie!!!   :dsunny:

Amen  , Sometimes I just blurt it out      GOD is going to save   every last one !

Ha ha !  the eyes roll  in their heads   and they don't want to talk to me any more  :sigh:

I do not know if    it is best to go that    BOLD   , yet    but when I first found out  I could not contain it and lots of rejection   and shunning   
  It is so sad   too

   Talking to Jesus is the most precious thing ever !!   love you always   :HeartThrob:

[Cardinal]

Cardinal,
When you mentioned your faith from a young age it reminded me..

When I was pretty young I felt a connection with God, a very loving accessible God. When I was probably 4-5 or so my mom was explaining heaven to me and she said I told her "we don't go to heaven, our love does" which looking back on it is sort of what I believe again--after the chaff burns our love is what remains, and God is love, so that is the "All in all"

Then I got older and so so any things clouded that simple childlike understanding --- Catholicism, Protestantism, atheism, rebellion, trauma, etc.

It reminds me of:

Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."

And he said: "Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

:HeartThrob:

:cloud9: It's so true and that came to my mind last night when I was posting this. The children should be teaching the adults about God instead of the other way around, lol......think what a different world we would live in if they did.

I remember hearing Him calling my name. I was outside in the country, no one around me. I was about 7 or 8. It was so plain I ran down my parents, the neighbors (too far away anyway, but I wasn't thinking that one through) to see if they had called me. No one had.

I had one girlfriend of distant relation whose family were Christian and Spirit filled at that. I told her about it days later, and to my surprise she popped out with, "That was God. Did you answer Him? You should have said, here I am, Lord!"

I was clueless and I felt such a sense of loss that I didn't know what I was supposed to do. I went back to the exact spot I heard Him and did what she said, but I never heard anything else, until He spoke to me in a dream 2 years later, but I was 29 before I knew who it was who had spoken to me in the dream. He does such amazing things, and I wonder now if we ask all the little ones when they are little about seeing angels, hearing God, ect., we might be shocked to hear their answers. It's only when we're rebellious teens and up and I think there's any real disconnect. At least that's when it happened to me and for sure, my kids.

And then isn't it a shame the stuff we have to go through to get us right back where we were at 5? Geez.....the years I know I wasted. Good stuff to think about this morning with my coffee, though.....thanks  :HeartThrob:  Blessings....

[Cardinal]

Some say , oh feelings they are   just so misleading  ,  you cannot go by your feelings  , but I say you have never been touched by God then   !,

I completely agree with this rose ..... when He used the heart and the mind to teach me differences

The mind = that which gives birth to thought (male)
The heart = that which gives birth to feelings (female)

If the two are not working as one in truth, one will always rule over the other

Thoughts have to submit to feelings as much as feelings have to submit to thought, this is a covenant between the two to keep peace

:cloud9: Thanks so much for this. I have to process this to get it to "click" into place with what He's given me along these lines to receive it as life, but I know Truth when I hear it. When this bears fruit, I'll come back to this thread and share what this multiplied. Ain't it good to know the Lord this morning guys? I think we need a breakfast club on here. Who's bringing the coffee tomorrow?  :winkgrin:

[rosered]

Some say , oh feelings they are   just so misleading  ,  you cannot go by your feelings  , but I say you have never been touched by God then   !,

I completely agree with this rose ..... when He used the heart and the mind to teach me differences

The mind = that which gives birth to thought (male)
The heart = that which gives birth to feelings (female)

If the two are not working as one in truth, one will always rule over the other

Thoughts have to submit to feelings as much as feelings have to submit to thought, this is a covenant between the two to keep peace

:cloud9: Thanks so much for this. I have to process this to get it to "click" into place with what He's given me along these lines to receive it as life, but I know Truth when I hear it. When this bears fruit, I'll come back to this thread and share what this multiplied. Ain't it good to know the Lord this morning guys? I think we need a breakfast club on here. Who's bringing the coffee tomorrow?  :winkgrin:

LOL always refreshed in the mornings been up since 3;30    and a pot is already gone !  But so glad you see you posting and doing better than you were !
  Now stay out of that old  hospital Becca!!     :dsunny:

   Our Hope in the Lord is to be  healed   body   soul  and Spirit  , as  we should want this for all    ,     :HeartThrob:

[guest5685]

Just as Eve was created from Adam ..... so is a feeling created from a thought .....

:dsunny: Love this! So short a saying holding an abundance of truth! Thanks-Jugghead  :HeartThrob: