what's Satan's destiny?

[micah7:9]

IMO, if the devil is the devil, as Jesus and Paul describe him, to think that he is the carnal mind deals him no blow....as he prefers to be in the darkness, and not believed in, being as that he is the father of lies, author of confusion and the god of this world.

Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil. 12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. 13Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm....Eph 6

Be of sober spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. 9But resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same experiences of suffering are being accomplished by your brethren who are in the world. 1 Peter 5

"And He said to them, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven." (Luke 10:18)

I do agree that the carnal mind works like the devil. It is the same principle at work in the "sons of disobedience"... and it is the source of his expression through man, the door of access being thru the "lusts of the flesh, the pride of life and the pleasures of the mind"

And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4 in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 2 Cor 4

Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Eph 2:2


Throughout the scripture from Job to revelation the adversary is portrayed as an entity, and if so large a body of reference in the scripture is symbolic or allegorical then the book is(to me) no more than fables and metaphors and therefore doctrine is meaningless. If the apostles and Jesus were so far in the dark as to who the adversary is then why place any weight on who they think God is?

When Jesus dealt with the madman of the Gadarenes He was addressing the "hosts of wickedness"(our name is Legion for we are many) that had taken up residence within the man, who, after He had cast them out, sat at His feet whole and in his right mind. The people from the town were so perplexed and astounded by this they asked Jesus to go somewhere else- it turned there belief systems upside down.

Having dealt with demons and the possessed and oppressed(no one should take my word for that- but it is my testimony and I affirm it without reserve)- I believe that the man in whom Legion reisided and those beings that went into the pigs were not "thoughts and attitudes", but real spiritual entities with identity and ego. I just dont see Paul speaking to us in allegories about this when in all other things he speaks directly what is in his mind from his actual perspectve on it. :2c:

"I do agree that the carnal mind works like the devil."

Rather, imo,  :2c: the devil works with the carnal mind and the carnal mind works with the devil.
Devil diabolos ..traducer; false accuser that means imo, there is dialogue.

Rev 2:11  He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches;

[strainerofcamels]

I understand the carnal mind statements. Some validity in certain respects and yet adversary as an entity/ being in Gen 3 since Eve in innocence at the time, no carnal mind only innocence. Sry for brevity, posting from phone.  Even so, the spiritual mind is life and peace, and I also echo the sentiments of this as a good place for mature, respectful discussion. Blessings.

Add: forgot to mention also that yes if one has been delivered of an evil spirit it becomes readily evident that the enemy is an entity. I don't believe that point is necessarily being contended enimtirely, just the idea 'holy moly those things are real?' comes immediately to one's attention

[rosered]

  :thumbsup:   Good stuff  guys
  :iagree:

  Trying to explain   the unexplainable   
  We walk in the Spirit   and walk by faith , not by sight .

    The  account of Mark   in the Bible    to me is where many of the extremest     in the religious circles   become way to literal  in their thinking ..

Just my opinion     , but   I do believe the Word of God comes  perverted  or corrupted   when the carnal mind /death  trap  and its rider   exercises ''power'' .

I was thinking of the mind of Christ   and what   is in that ''power of purpose ''   and it is to saves men's lives not  destroy them  ....  I have come to save  lives not destroy them
and come to destroy the works of the devil ....    accuser . liar   murderer      etc.  works of darkness .
Luke 19:10
For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost."  luke 9   56 .

  we have the mind of Christ    1Cor 2 Wisdom from the Spirit of God
...15But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one. 16For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, THAT HE WILL INSTRUCT HIM? But we have the mind of Christ.


THE   power   of   Gods grace   working though the Body of Christ    with ability      to  forgive  sins !

  wow  :HeartThrob:

[sheila]

tares are sown in the night[darkness] when we sleep.  it is much easier to get us to agree with satan when we are asleep or unaware

    thus..'stay awake!  but all the virgins slept..and some took along extra oil...trimmed their lamps[cutback the raggs of the wick[ed]]

   so that they have brighter light.

   SOS    I slept but my heart was awake....some sleep a lot 'lighter' then others.....some require heavy shaking to rouse them..and

   are like trying to wake the dead!

[guest5685]

Yes! Sheila I see that same thing about people sleeping. I was a real heavy sleeper and it took lots of shaking in my life for
me to wake up. Even when I woke up I was still pretty much asleep for many spiritual years. Legalism is a very powerful sleeping pill and too much can kill just like a bad drug overdose. The Holy spirit is so awesome he knows just how much it takes to clear out the grogginess in our minds. He's better than two cups of coffee in the morning. :thumbsup:

When you mentioned about waking up the dead I really have to agree. The dead don't like being disturbed very much but our words the Holy Spirit has deposited in our hearts will be their alarm clock. One thing that is neat is the Truth Never Sleeps so when those words touch their hearts those same words will follow them like a hunting dog. It's like the alarm clock doesn't have a snooze button on it. :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob:

[sheila]

 :thumbsup:

[eaglesway]

Rather, imo,  :2c: the devil works with the carnal mind and the carnal mind works with the devil.
Devil diabolos ..traducer; false accuser that means imo, there is dialogue.

I agree

[eaglesway]

Watch and Pray, for the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.......

Walk in the Spirit and you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh

Love covers a multitude of sins

Forgive and you shall be forgiven

Set your mind on things above where Christ is seated at the right hand of God

Rejoice in the Lord always and again I say rejoice!


John's prescription for overcoming the evil one ;o)

[guest5685]

 :iagree: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :iagree:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: If demons are real and I know from personal experience that they are, then I have no reason to doubt that Satan is a real entity as well.

My daughter has been pressing in to walk with Him for a few years now, after a 10 year wandering in the land of Nod  :laughing7:, and He speaks to her as to the young person (27) that she is.

She asked Him why He put us through all this mess here, why we couldn't have just stayed with Him (one with Him from the foundation). Instantly, He showed her herself, happily sitting on a cloud, and unexpectedly then this giant foot booted her off of it.

He then told her that He wanted us to learn down here to love Him and be obedient with a CHOICE, because He didn't want another Satan trying to steal all His stuff. Roflol.....and He said it, just like that. Blessings....

[greg]

If Satan were carnal mind, that would certainly help answer the question.  But one of the challenges with Satan being 'carnal mind' is the Book of Job.  For example, here is Job 1:6, "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them." 

Is it possible for 'carnal mind' to travel with the Sons of God right up to the LORD?

I don't think the 'carnal mind' theory can be ruled out though per se, and at the very least it's an intriguing perspective for brainstorming.  I especially like how it invites men to take personal accountability for their own brains.  When I see a news report of a violent criminal saying 'Satan made me do it' -- that sort of thing really boils my temper.

In Revelation, Satan is tormented for a finite time -- literally a "world/age worlds/ages", which is translated "an age of worlds" or "a world of ages".  Ages and worlds are by definition finite in space and time.  The literal text of the bible could have easily said 'tormented for time that does not end' or 'time that cannot end', but it does not say that.  It also does not say that time is somehow suspended (i.e., outside time).  The words for 'everlasting' and 'eternal' are very easy to say in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, and they are used in reference to the Father - but none of them are used in the literal bible in reference to punishment.  Rather, for punishment the literal text refers exclusively to finite planetary bodies (worlds) and finite time periods (ages).  So that's the key thing that's helpful to know, the literal text.

Revelation chapters 20-22 are incredibly insightful here to answer the question about Satan's destiny. We learn that death (or the dead) and sheol are tossed into the fire. But we also learn in 22:11 that some who do evil will do evil again. And we learn that on the new earth that murderers will be outside the great city (Rev. 22:15).  Why is the second death not referred to as the final death? 

Fortunately, in Rev 21:4, the text refers to the new earth when it says 'and death not will be'.  Note that this same statement is conspicuously absent to describe the dragon's punishment.  Rather, the dragon's punishment is explicitly described as "second death" in the very next passage at Rev 21:8.  After this phrase 'second death' appears in Rev 21:8, the dragon is not discussed again in the Book of Revelation, neither in Chapter 21 nor in Chapter 22.  That is because the text just told us that the dragon is dead, no longer in existence. 

Moreover, even the phrase 'and death will not be' is qualified in the literal text. This is because in Rev 21:4, the text refers to the new earth when it says 'death will not be' in that one particular world/age.  Indeed, one of the key limiting words used in this verse Lykm ("now" or "therefore") is used throughout the gospel in a limiting sense to some measurable amount of time or a measurable conclusion in a current world/age.  See e.g., Matthew 26:45 (referring to one night's sleep), Mark 11:14 (referring to the present world in comparison to a world to come), Mark 14:41 (same as Matthew 26:45), John 14:30 (Messiah says he won't speak again at that time rather than ever again); John 17:11 (Messiah says he won't be in the world again at that time rather than ever again).    Even the root of the word is Lwk Jm ("from measurement").

Moreover, the word Lykm is a combination of the roots Nm ("from") & Lk ("any/all"), so it is naturally dependent on context for meaning (i.e., from who/what/where/when; all/any of who/what/where/when). In Rev 21:4, the context is set in terms of new Jerusalem in the new age/world; so that is the specific 'Where' and 'When' that sets the context for how "death will not be thereforward," in new Jerusalem in the new age/world. This verse does not technically say that the new Jerusalem in the new world/age continues for perpetual time or exists outside of time. To claim perpetual time or eternal time from this verse would be an assumption outside the literal text.

[eaglesway]

Indeed, the problem with Satan being the carnal mind or an amalgam of man's negativity... is the scriptures.

[greg]

Indeed, the problem with Satan being the carnal mind or an amalgam of man's negativity... is the scriptures.

IMO, if the devil is the devil, as Jesus and Paul describe him, to think that he is the carnal mind deals him no blow....as he prefers to be in the darkness, and not believed in, being as that he is the father of lies, author of confusion and the god of this world.

Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil. 12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. 13Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm....Eph 6

Be of sober spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. 9But resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same experiences of suffering are being accomplished by your brethren who are in the world. 1 Peter 5

"And He said to them, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven." (Luke 10:18)

I do agree that the carnal mind works like the devil. It is the same principle at work in the "sons of disobedience"... and it is the source of his expression through man, the door of access being thru the "lusts of the flesh, the pride of life and the pleasures of the mind"

And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4 in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 2 Cor 4

Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Eph 2:2

Throughout the scripture from Job to revelation the adversary is portrayed as an entity, and if so large a body of reference in the scripture is symbolic or allegorical then the book is(to me) no more than fables and metaphors and therefore doctrine is meaningless. If the apostles and Jesus were so far in the dark as to who the adversary is then why place any weight on who they think God is?

When Jesus dealt with the madman of the Gadarenes He was addressing the "hosts of wickedness"(our name is Legion for we are many) that had taken up residence within the man, who, after He had cast them out, sat at His feet whole and in his right mind. The people from the town were so perplexed and astounded by this they asked Jesus to go somewhere else- it turned there belief systems upside down.

Having dealt with demons and the possessed and oppressed(no one should take my word for that- but it is my testimony and I affirm it without reserve)- I believe that the man in whom Legion reisided and those beings that went into the pigs were not "thoughts and attitudes", but real spiritual entities with identity and ego. I just dont see Paul speaking to us in allegories about this when in all other things he speaks directly what is in his mind from his actual perspectve on it. :2c:

The bible provides an example that Satan can enter a man suddenly and work directly upon the heart - John 13:2, "And when it was supper he cast Satan into the heart of Judas, son of Simon Iscariot, so that he would betray him."   

eaglesway, you have an interesting post above here with scripture citations and useful cautions.  For example, you quoted Luke 10:18, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven."  That verse is pretty metaphorical though, so it's helpful to bring it back to a physical context with a supporting verse like Matthew 28:3 referring to an angel on earth, "His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow."

In the context of Luke 10:17-20, that verse you cited (Luke 10:18) also connects Satan with devils that inhabit people.  Indeed, recall Matthew 12:26, "And if Satan casts out Satan, he has been divided against himself; how therefore will his kingdom stand?"

You also cite passage in 1 Peter that suggests why it is helpful for Christians to identify Satan with some specificity, so we know what tools to use to defend ourselves, "Be of sober spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. But resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same experiences of suffering are being accomplished by your brethren who are in the world."

The standard interpretation is that Satan is a fallen angel with some kind of kingdom on earth, and that angels (fallen and not-fallen) can take physical form in addition to spiritual form.  See e.g., Genesis 18, Daniel 10:5, Zech 5:9-10, 2 Sam. 24:16.  I could cite Enoch as well here, but I'll just stick to the canon...

In 2 Kings 6:17, Elisha prayed that his servant would see the armies of angels surrounding the city -- and indeed, that servant discovered that he had overlooked invisible beings all around him. 

The literal text of the bible often leaves room for multiple meanings and interpretations, so I think it's smart to be prepared for a little uncertainty here.  What is the mind anyway?  Even the verse I cited above in Job (re Satan traveling in heaven with angels) is quite open for interpretation in the Hebrew text; prayers from the human mind for example can apparently enter heaven.  What if the human mind is where/how Satan and some angels draw power today, such that being aware of Satan as 'your own carnal mind' is actually an effective and direct tool to increase faith in harmony with 1 Peter to reduce Satan's power?

Whether or not it's ultimately true that Satan is carnal mind or some kind of strange spirit or amalgam, it's definitely insightful and thought-provoking.  I often find examples in Christianity where the Father can fulfill multiple layers of journey and truth for different people, like wheels within wheels. 

Does the insight regarding 'carnal mind' do anything for you personally?  Do you leave open the possibility that the 'carnal mind' insight can help someone different than you in their own life?  Is it even possible for us to know Satan the accuser in body and spirit so well that we can confirm that any 'carnal mind interpretations' are categorically adverse to scripture such that they hide the true identity of Satan and therefore empower him through concealment?  And if that were the case, how would that concealment (or ignoring of Satan) really threaten an otherwise faithful person who puts God as #1 in their life?  I suppose I'll add one more (rhetorical) question to the mix: Has the hiding of the book of Enoch concealed Satan and his armies of fallen angels?

Anyway, I'm intrigued intellectually by this idea that 'Satan may just be all in man's mind' -- it's like when you're watching a movie with a surprising twist (the Sixth Sense for example with Bruce Willis), and then at the end of the movie they reveal the big secret and then you start thinking back to all those movie scenes you wondered about earlier, and you go, "Ohhh yeaaah!!"  So I'm thinking back to Yahshua's temptation by Satan in the wilderness, and to Yahshua's admonition to Peter at Caesarea Philippi.  What if?  Interesting to brainstorm.  Nothing dogmatic here, just thinking out loud.

So the original question was "what's Satan's destiny?"  If Satan is empowered in some way by each man's mind, then his destiny becomes a matter of personal accountability.  Interesting, these words from 1 Peter, "Be of sober spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. But resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same experiences of suffering are being accomplished by your brethren who are in the world."

[Aerex]

What is a spirit really? Is it matter? I always thoughts spirits were just personified concepts as in they are only as real as the concepts they derive from. Jealousy is not a physical person but it can be personified as a spirit. If Satan is the personification of the carnal mind then when the carnal mind disappears so will Satan.

[sheila]

....not speaking for EW..just my own expierence.  the serpent was more 'subtil' that any beast of the field.  and this a fine line of

  distinction to make between the exposing of the adversary.   No man ever hated his own flesh..but feeds and cherishes it.


    even the wicked love those who love them[see et doctrine] versus God's love for us when we were at enmity with Him/love your

enemies.


     It helped me in so many ways. Jesus would not have exposed them so openly as He did..if it did not matter......

    a very subtil enemy/adversary needs to be identified..and we need awareness of what it is capable of. the mystery of lawlessness

   must be revealed in the end.  Part of the atonement process is Azazel's goat..of whom all sin was confessed onto the head of.


    it's important..don't think it isn't.

  it also helped me to identify as a child of God..not a child of the devil...to not accept as  'natural' thinking..that which was a

  supernatural spirit putting thought's in my head.natural lust's of the flesh/it's only natural thinking...feeling,body urges.


    walking in obedience to His commands does protect us from the 'wicked one" but who doesn't stumble,is never decieved,confused

etc at times?....Azazel's goat will be fully discerned and appreciated in God's atonement process.

[sheila]

when God made Adam in His image and likeness...and give him dominion over the earth,Adam would bring the different creatures

and  Adam would observe them[note their characteristics/nature] then name them.To name something was to have dominion over it

   the wicked contrast spirit took the body of the serpent and Eve was decieved of it..not knowing it's 'nature'....


     seperating 'us' from our 'sin' and taking all our 'sin' away is what our High Priest does. the original serpent/original sin is a liar and

murderer and thief....deception,robbery and killing is it's nature..and our Saviour is delivering us from the wicked/evil one.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Your mind is not capable of reaching into your body, grabbing a handful of your innards, and trying to then pull them out through your body. I say this, because I just experienced it in spiritual warfare over cleansing a new friend's home.

She and her husband and family had been enduring visitations constantly in their home they bought. They found out that the previous owners had been Satanists and used their garage and home for Satanic rituals. Before that, the house was owned by East Indian's who worshipped Kali, the goddess of death. This house was so bad that the furnace guy came once, had the life scared out of him, and refused to come back.

I went around the house, anointing the doors and windows with olive oil (merely a contact point for the person's FAITH, just like Paul's handkerchief was, no power in oil, obviously), and proclaiming the name of the Lord and His protection of them (they are Christian). The main demon was enraged, and God allowed it to do that to me momentarily, because the woman had not confessed to me that this had been happening to her, because she thought I would think she was crazy. So God uncovered it and it was dealt with promptly. Since then, they have not had anymore manifestations in their home.

In the beginning of my walk, deliverance for people going through things like this, was second nature to me. Then He shifted me elsewhere, what I call "God's boot camp" was over for me, I had other things to learn and grow in. But NO ONE should ever fall for the deception that Satan and his fellow demons are not real entities, capable of independent thought, and only exist to KILL, steal, and destroy. My  :2c: :2c: Blessings....

[greg]

:cloud9: Your mind is not capable of reaching into your body, grabbing a handful of your innards, and trying to then pull them out through your body. I say this, because I just experienced it in spiritual warfare over cleansing a new friend's home.

She and her husband and family had been enduring visitations constantly in their home they bought. They found out that the previous owners had been Satanists and used their garage and home for Satanic rituals. Before that, the house was owned by East Indian's who worshipped Kali, the goddess of death. This house was so bad that the furnace guy came once, had the life scared out of him, and refused to come back.

I went around the house, anointing the doors and windows with olive oil (merely a contact point for the person's FAITH, just like Paul's handkerchief was, no power in oil, obviously), and proclaiming the name of the Lord and His protection of them (they are Christian). The main demon was enraged, and God allowed it to do that to me momentarily, because the woman had not confessed to me that this had been happening to her, because she thought I would think she was crazy. So God uncovered it and it was dealt with promptly. Since then, they have not had anymore manifestations in their home.

In the beginning of my walk, deliverance for people going through things like this, was second nature to me. Then He shifted me elsewhere, what I call "God's boot camp" was over for me, I had other things to learn and grow in. But NO ONE should ever fall for the deception that Satan and his fellow demons are not real entities, capable of independent thought, and only exist to KILL, steal, and destroy. My  :2c: :2c: Blessings....

Wow!  When you put it that way, that's a very persuasive point.  I've never experienced anything even slightly like that. Never seen or heard a demon around me or in anyone else for that matter.  If what you say about that Satantist house is true, and I have no reason whatsoever to disbelieve you, then it would have been error to ask that woman to just sit down on the couch so you could tell her, 'you know, all of this Satan stuff is just in your mind'.  Meanwhile, lamps are flickering, art is falling off the walls, ahhh! 

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Yes, well they are a very persuasive point, themselves. Thirty years ago I came to the Lord on my knees in blind terror because I saw a friend of mine nearly possessed while we slept in a hotel room. God opened my eyes to see what was on her on her bed, before it got her.

We find it mildly humorous now (if you can imagine two women screaming and pleading the blood over themselves, standing on top of their beds at 3 o'clock in the AM in a hotel; that's the mildly humorous part), and give God the thanks and glory for allowing it to happen, because without it, we would have continued to be blind sinners. But you literally cannot imagine what the presence of pure evil feels like, until you have experienced it. Blessings....

[greg]

:cloud9: Yes, well they are a very persuasive point, themselves. Thirty years ago I came to the Lord on my knees in blind terror because I saw a friend of mine nearly possessed while we slept in a hotel room. God opened my eyes to see what was on her on her bed, before it got her.

We find it mildly humorous now (if you can imagine two women screaming and pleading the blood over themselves, standing on top of their beds at 3 o'clock in the AM in a hotel; that's the mildly humorous part), and give God the thanks and glory for allowing it to happen, because without it, we would have continued to be blind sinners. But you literally cannot imagine what the presence of pure evil feels like, until you have experienced it. Blessings....

Reading your post gave me chills.  Beyond reading a short article here and there over the years, I've never taken any real time to study the phenomena of demon possession, let alone understand it.  A long time ago I sort of just relegated demons & exorcism to the category of 'the depths of satan', not interested in going there personally, best to leave that to the professionals.  So it's been as foreign to me as the atmospherics of some distant star, just something i might read a snippet about online and then forget what I read within a week or so. 

I am impressed though.  That's awesome you found God through your unique experience and ability to triumph in your faith.  Sounds like the world needs people like you to keep doing whatever it is you're doing. 

[guest5685]

What is a spirit really? Is it matter? I always thoughts spirits were just personified concepts as in they are only as real as the concepts they derive from. Jealousy is not a physical person but it can be personified as a spirit. If Satan is the personification of the carnal mind then when the carnal mind disappears so will Satan.

:iagree:

[Cardinal]

Reading your post gave me chills.  Beyond reading a short article here and there over the years, I've never taken any real time to study the phenomena of demon possession, let alone understand it.  A long time ago I sort of just relegated demons & exorcism to the category of 'the depths of satan', not interested in going there personally, best to leave that to the professionals.  So it's been as foreign to me as the atmospherics of some distant star, just something i might read a snippet about online and then forget what I read within a week or so. 

I am impressed though.  That's awesome you found God through your unique experience and ability to triumph in your faith.  Sounds like the world needs people like you to keep doing whatever it is you're doing.

The funny or ironic part is, my daughter is friends with their daughters, and she spent the night there the night before I went. That night, she put her bible down on a table, and the demon kept throwing something off the table because the presence of the bible antagonized it, I guess. After about 5 times of picking it up, my daughter said off hand, "If it doesn't stop it, I'm going to call my Mom and get her up to come over here and deal with this right now!" It stopped immediately and they went to bed.

The next morning, via the Spirit, I woke up KNOWING it was now time to go clean house. I called my daughter and told her to ask them if they were ready, because I was now "assigned" to do it, and she related to me what had happened the night before, and what she had said. God has a sense of humor, and I think because my daughter had said it, He thought, "Yeah, good idea, let's do that, I'll get right on that for you."

I was kidding my daughter later, and I told her next time she volunteered me, if it wouldn't be too much trouble, could she maybe find out beforehand first, if the demon is trying to pull anybody's guts out, Lol.....Blessings.....

[greg]

The funny or ironic part is, my daughter is friends with their daughters, and she spent the night there the night before I went. That night, she put her bible down on a table, and the demon kept throwing something off the table because the presence of the bible antagonized it, I guess. After about 5 times of picking it up, my daughter said off hand, "If it doesn't stop it, I'm going to call my Mom and get her up to come over here and deal with this right now!" It stopped immediately and they went to bed.

The next morning, via the Spirit, I woke up KNOWING it was now time to go clean house. I called my daughter and told her to ask them if they were ready, because I was now "assigned" to do it, and she related to me what had happened the night before, and what she had said. God has a sense of humor, and I think because my daughter had said it, He thought, "Yeah, good idea, let's do that, I'll get right on that for you."

I was kidding my daughter later, and I told her next time she volunteered me, if it wouldn't be too much trouble, could she maybe find out beforehand first, if the demon is trying to pull anybody's guts out, Lol.....Blessings.....

I like that!
:gimmefive:

[sheila]

Bex,I find the correlation regarding the belly interesting. offsprings of viper..which crawl on their belly..and whose 'god' is their belly..

  dust eater's......

  attempting to rip yours out.Little did they know..you had been eating the Lamb..and that the 'word of God' was in your belly!

    eating the little scroll.....taste's like honey on the tongue...but makes the belly bitter.

[Aerex]

Cardinal if demonic entities are capable of independent thought how can they only exist to kill and destroy? Would they not have the same choices as humans do?

Also, the mind is capable of doing a lot of things which what we call a mental illness. Wouldn't it not be stretching to call every mental illness a spiritual attack?