what's Satan's destiny?

[Lorenzo]

reconciled? annihilated?

[marie glen]

I can't help but think likely ultimately reconciled, because of Col 1:20 "and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven" and Eph 1:10 "in regard to the dispensation of the fullness of the times, to bring into one the whole in the Christ, both the things in the heavens, and the things upon the earth -- in him;"

It's interesting to me that the LOF "was created for the devil and his angels", so to me, that means a more stringent reconciling, as it's my belief most if not all of humanity (which died thus will rise "still in their sins"/arriving/rising DOA, so to speak, at the 2nd resurrection) will be reconciled during judgement 'day'.
:2c: :smile:

[eaglesway]

I think much of mankind will be reconciled on judgement day too, but since Jesus says, "depart from me into the fire prepared for the devil and His angels"..... I think a more signifigant percentage of people will experience a measure of kolassis post GWT, or He wouldnt have used that example- which He does in several places.

I think their are a lot of evil, predatory, hard case adversaries in this world. I think that the fire Jesus speaks of has to do with being dragged into the light from the hiding places within, and that hidden darkness being consumed by the light of His face and the fire in His eyes, until the knee bows, the tongue confesses, the heart changes.

Sort of like an intense family intervention :o)


"Know you not that you will judge angels?"

"Know you not that the saints will judge the world?"

"I kept looking Until thrones were set up, And the Ancient of Days took His seat; His vesture was like white snow And the hair of His head like pure wool. His throne was ablaze with flames, Its wheels were a burning fire. 10"A river of fire was flowing And coming out from before Him; Thousands upon thousands were attending Him, And myriads upon myriads were standing before Him; The court sat, And the books were opened....


Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them.

And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.Revelation 20:11,12

For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; 13for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. 14For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.Romans 2

The highlighted statement in Romans 2:14 is to me one of the most profound statements in scripture. Many will bow the knee and rejoice when they see Him, and recognize Him as the source of the instinct towards righteousness that caused them to live by something other than mere personal survival and gain. thousands of millions who never heard the law, or the gospel, will be judged in this light, in my opinion.

I think Satan's destiny is to be converted and become a heavenly shoe shine boy ;o)

[marie glen]

I think much of mankind will be reconciled on judgement day too, but since Jesus says, "depart from me into the fire prepared for the devil and His angels"..... I think a more signifigant percentage of people will experience a measure of kolassis post GWT, or He wouldnt have used that example- which He does in several places.

:Chinscratch: you may be right..

I think their are a lot of evil, predatory, hard case adversaries in this world. I think that the fire Jesus speaks of has to do with being dragged into the light from the hiding places within, and that hidden darkness being consumed by the light of His face and the fire in His eyes, until the knee bows, the tongue confesses, the heart changes.

Sort of like an intense family intervention :o)


"Know you not that you will judge angels?"

"Know you not that the saints will judge the world?"

"I kept looking Until thrones were set up, And the Ancient of Days took His seat; His vesture was like white snow And the hair of His head like pure wool. His throne was ablaze with flames, Its wheels were a burning fire. 10"A river of fire was flowing And coming out from before Him; Thousands upon thousands were attending Him, And myriads upon myriads were standing before Him; The court sat, And the books were opened....


Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them.

And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.Revelation 20:11,12

For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; 13for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. 14For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.Romans 2

The highlighted statement in Romans 2:14 is to me one of the most profound statements in scripture. Many will bow the knee and rejoice when they see Him, and recognize Him as the source of the instinct towards righteousness that caused them to live by something other than mere personal survival and gain. thousands of millions who never heard the law, or the gospel, will be judged in this light, in my opinion.

   :banana: :banana: Wow, I never saw it like that before, (the?) many bowing the knee.. :cloud9:

I think Satan's destiny is to be converted and become a heavenly shoe shine boy ;o)

Let us hope! For a while at least! ..reminds me of a verse i was reading today from Jn 14, interlinear "I go to prepare a position for you.."

[GodIsLove]

I think much of mankind will be reconciled on judgement day too, but since Jesus says, "depart from me into the fire prepared for the devil and His angels"..... I think a more signifigant percentage of people will experience a measure of kolassis post GWT, or He wouldnt have used that example- which He does in several places.

I think their are a lot of evil, predatory, hard case adversaries in this world. I think that the fire Jesus speaks of has to do with being dragged into the light from the hiding places within, and that hidden darkness being consumed by the light of His face and the fire in His eyes, until the knee bows, the tongue confesses, the heart changes.

Sort of like an intense family intervention :o)


"Know you not that you will judge angels?"

"Know you not that the saints will judge the world?"

"I kept looking Until thrones were set up, And the Ancient of Days took His seat; His vesture was like white snow And the hair of His head like pure wool. His throne was ablaze with flames, Its wheels were a burning fire. 10"A river of fire was flowing And coming out from before Him; Thousands upon thousands were attending Him, And myriads upon myriads were standing before Him; The court sat, And the books were opened....


Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them.

And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.Revelation 20:11,12

For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; 13for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. 14For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.Romans 2

The highlighted statement in Romans 2:14 is to me one of the most profound statements in scripture. Many will bow the knee and rejoice when they see Him, and recognize Him as the source of the instinct towards righteousness that caused them to live by something other than mere personal survival and gain. thousands of millions who never heard the law, or the gospel, will be judged in this light, in my opinion.

I think Satan's destiny is to be converted and become a heavenly shoe shine boy ;o)

:iagree:

[anti_nietzsche]

I'm not sure but I think satan will become a simple angel again who has to work much and not get much joy and peace. He was so evil he can't just simply be forgiven and made happy. He won't have to burn forever in hell, that would only make us guilty because of the pain. But neither can he simply be acquitted and be a happy angel. I think there are punishments for sins like murder and violent perversions. Something like work camps or so. And of course they are all brought to shame and regret. I guess in a thousand years or so the satan angel can walk free again. But there has to be a level of punishment for his sins. Eternal suffering is way too much but when it's eternal shame then I am satisfied.

[sheila]

 Isaaih 26;10,11   Let favour be showed to the wicked,yet he will not learn righteousness; in the land of uprightness will he deal

  unjustly and will not behold the majesty of the Lord.   Not one is lost but the son of perdition..in order that the scriptures be fulfilled

   Lord,when thy hand is lifted up they shall not see. But they shall see,and be ashamed for their envy at the people.

  Yes, the fire of thy enemies shall devour them.[but because of His great love..ye sons of men are not consumed]

  note Judas as representing the son of perdition. Judas was not satan..but satan planted in his heart to betray..and entered him.

   the only one lost is satan.

  satan was very envious of the dominion God give Adam and Eve...was a murderer and thief from the beginning.  His jealousy

and murdering of all in Adam shall result in that fire of jealousy totally consuming him.

   God is love..and any that have life are preserved.....but satan is nothing but an artificial intelligence form/a negative contrast

tool used of God.

  do you know not that ye shall JUDGE/DISCERN ANGELS/MESSENGER'S.

   Let not any when tempted say 'I am tempted of God'

  perdition;complete AND UNREPARABLE LOSS AND RUIN

    I know not many agree with me on this perspective




   

[Aerex]

I'm not sure but I think satan will become a simple angel again who has to work much and not get much joy and peace. He was so evil he can't just simply be forgiven and made happy. He won't have to burn forever in hell, that would only make us guilty because of the pain. But neither can he simply be acquitted and be a happy angel. I think there are punishments for sins like murder and violent perversions. Something like work camps or so. And of course they are all brought to shame and regret. I guess in a thousand years or so the satan angel can walk free again. But there has to be a level of punishment for his sins. Eternal suffering is way too much but when it's eternal shame then I am satisfied.

How can be Satan be judged for something he was created to do? Sin means missing the mark and Satan's job is to be am adversary. In fact, I don't see anywhere in the Bible that says Satan has sinned. He is liar for sure but a sinner? Not too sure about that. I am not sure how he will be transformed but God has a habit of changing peoe identity like how he changes people name. I guess he will no longer be called Satan because God says so.

[Aerex]

I'm not sure but I think satan will become a simple angel again who has to work much and not get much joy and peace. He was so evil he can't just simply be forgiven and made happy. He won't have to burn forever in hell, that would only make us guilty because of the pain. But neither can he simply be acquitted and be a happy angel. I think there are punishments for sins like murder and violent perversions. Something like work camps or so. And of course they are all brought to shame and regret. I guess in a thousand years or so the satan angel can walk free again. But there has to be a level of punishment for his sins. Eternal suffering is way too much but when it's eternal shame then I am satisfied.

How can be Satan be judged for something he was created to do? Sin means missing the mark and Satan's job is to be an adversary. In fact, I don't see anywhere in the Bible that says Satan has sinned. He is liar for sure but a sinner? Not too sure about that. I am not sure how he will be transformed but God has a habit of changing peoe identity like how he changes people name. I guess he will no longer be called Satan because God says so.

[rosered]

 
   For me , satan  meaning adversary , is the god of this world and is in the fire  , this world is on fire  [ Jesus come to  set the world on fire ] Luke 12

    satan is used  for judgement   and destruction of the flesh   so the spirit in  mankind  will be saved in the Day of the Lord

  Paul was exercising the power of the HOLY SPIRIT    to remit [hold accountable   ]  and retain    restrain  hold back from  [forgive] , to   keep  safe  in the power of God or   turn one over to satan and let go , walk in the  broad path of  destruction   John 20 Jesus Appears to the Disciples students at Jesus  feet learning  righteousness    in the earth   by  being taught of Him and hearing His Voice ..

I just believe we are doing such things right now   

  Paul was   holding them under the Law    where satan  can and does accuse   before God night and day      , the Story of Job comes to mind  of the old testament

...22And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. 23"If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained."Strong's G2902 - krateō
κρατέω
Transliteration
krateō
Pronunciation
krä-te'-ō (Key)

Part of Speech
verb
Root Word (Etymology)
From κράτος (G2904)
TDNT Reference
3:910,466
Vines
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Outline of Biblical Usage
to have power, be powerful

to be chief, be master of, to rule

to get possession of

to become master of, to obtain

to take hold of

to take hold of, take, seize

to lay hands on one in order to get him into one's power

to hold

to hold in the hand

to hold fast, i.e. not discard or let go

to keep carefully and faithfully

to continue to hold, to retain

of death continuing to hold one

to hold in check, restrain



1Corn 5  * Immorality Rebuked
...4In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled, and I with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus,

5I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh,

so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

6Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough?...


    Matt 25 The Sheep and the Goats
...40"The King will answer and say to them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.' 41"Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; 42for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink;...


   For me  this is all going on NOW   ...2Cor  4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

satan   scriptures Peter 5:8 ESV

Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

1 John 3:8 ESV

Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.

2 Corinthians 11:14 ESV

And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

John 8:44 ESV    

You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Revelation 12:9 ESV

And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

2 Corinthians 11:3 ESV

But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ.

Romans 16:20 ESV / 128 helpful votes   

The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.

James 4:7 ESV

Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

John 10:10 ESV

The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly.

Ephesians 4:27 ESV

And give no opportunity to the devil.

Revelation 12:9-12 ESV
And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God.

And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death. Therefore, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to you, O earth and sea, for the devil has come down to you in great wrath, because he knows that his time is short!"

Ephesians 6:11 ESV

Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil.

2 Corinthians 4:4 ESV

In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

Ephesians 6:12 ESV / 72 helpful votes   

For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

Matthew 16:23 ESV
But he turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance to me. For you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man."

1 John 5:19 ESV
We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

Job 1:7 ESV    

The Lord said to Satan, "From where have you come?" Satan answered the Lord and said, "From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it."

Luke 10:18 ESV
And he said to them, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.

Hebrews 2:14 ESV   

Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil,

Ephesians 6:11-16 ESV

Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm. Stand therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, and, as shoes for your feet, having put on the readiness given by the gospel of peace. ...

John 12:31 ESV / 43 helpful votes   

Now is the judgment of this world; now will the ruler of this world be cast out.

Job 1:6-12 ESV

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. The Lord said to Satan, "From where have you come?" Satan answered the Lord and said, "From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it." And the Lord said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil?" Then Satan answered the Lord and said, "Does Job fear God for no reason? Have you not put a hedge around him and his house and all that he has, on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. ...

Isaiah 14:12-15 ESV   

"How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! You said in your heart, 'I will ascend to heaven; above the stars of God I will set my throne on high; I will sit on the mount of assembly in the far reaches of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.' But you are brought down to Sheol, to the far reaches of the pit.

1 Chronicles 21:1 ESV / 37 helpful votes   

Then Satan stood against Israel and incited David to number Israel.

Revelation 20:10 ESV    

And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Colossians 1:13 ESV

He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son,

John 14:30 ESV

I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming. He has no claim on me,

1 John 3:10 ESV

By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.

Ephesians 2:2 ESV    

In which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience—

John 13:27 ESV

Then after he had taken the morsel, Satan entered into him. Jesus said to him, "What you are going to do, do quickly."

Matthew 12:29 ESV
Or how can someone enter a strong man's house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 ESV

The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders,

Luke 22:31 ESV   

"Simon, Simon, behold, Satan demanded to have you, that he might sift you like wheat,

Revelation 20:2 ESV

And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years,

Matthew 13:19 ESV / 26 helpful votes   

When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart. This is what was sown along the path.

Acts 26:18 ESV

To open their eyes, so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.'

Acts 13:10 ESV

And said, "You son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, full of all deceit and villainy, will you not stop making crooked the straight paths of the Lord?

1 Thessalonians 2:18 ESV
Because we wanted to come to you—I, Paul, again and again—but Satan hindered us.

Luke 11:18 ESV
And if Satan also is divided against himself, how will his kingdom stand? For you say that I cast out demons by Beelzebul.

Luke 4:1-13 ESV
And Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit in the wilderness for forty days, being tempted by the devil. And he ate nothing during those days. And when they were ended, he was hungry. The devil said to him, "If you are the Son of God, command this stone to become bread." And Jesus answered him, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone.'" And the devil took him up and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time, ...

Job 2:3-7 ESV   

And the Lord said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil? He still holds fast his integrity, although you incited me against him to destroy him without reason." Then Satan answered the Lord and said, "Skin for skin! All that a man has he will give for his life. But stretch out your hand and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse you to your face." And the Lord said to Satan, "Behold, he is in your hand; only spare his life." So Satan went out from the presence of the Lord and struck Job with loathsome sores from the sole of his foot to the crown of his head.

Revelation 20:7-10 ESV   

And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea. And they marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heaven and consumed them, and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

1 Timothy 1:20 ESV
Among whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme.



Genesis 3:5 ESV

For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

John 16:11 ESV

Concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.

2 Timothy 2:26 ESV

And they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will.

Matthew 25:41 ESV

"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

Revelation 2:9 ESV

"'I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich) and the slander of those who say that they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.

Ezekiel 28:12-19 ESV

"Son of man, raise a lamentation over the king of Tyre, and say to him, Thus says the Lord God: "You were the signet of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering, sardius, topaz, and diamond, beryl, onyx, and jasper, sapphire, emerald, and carbuncle; and crafted in gold were your settings and your engravings. On the day that you were created they were prepared. You were an anointed guardian cherub. I placed you; you were on the holy mountain of God; in the midst of the stones of fire you walked. You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created, till unrighteousness was found in you. In the abundance of your trade you were filled with violence in your midst, and you sinned; so I cast you as a profane thing from the mountain of God, and I destroyed you, O guardian cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. ...

  this creature/cherub  was subject to vanity

Job 1:6 ESV

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.

Revelation 20:1-3 ESV

Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain. And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while.

Revelation 9:11 ESV    

They have as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit. His name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek he is called Apollyon.

Jude 1:6-9 ESV

And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day— just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire. Yet in like manner these people also, relying on their dreams, defile the flesh, reject authority, and blaspheme the glorious ones. But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, was disputing about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a blasphemous judgment, but said, "The Lord rebuke you."

2 Corinthians 2:11 ESV

So that we would not be outwitted by Satan; for we are not ignorant of his designs.

Luke 13:16 ESV

And ought not this woman, a daughter of Abraham whom Satan bound for eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath day?"

[rosered]

Luke 10:19 ESV

Behold, I have given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall hurt you.

Revelation 2:10 ESV / 18 helpful votes   

Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have tribulation. Be faithful unto death, and I will give you the crown of life.

1 Thessalonians 3:5 ESV / 18 helpful votes   

For this reason, when I could bear it no longer, I sent to learn about your faith, for fear that somehow the tempter had tempted you and our labor would be in vain.

2 Corinthians 11:15 ESV   

So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

John 13:2 ESV

During supper, when the devil had already put it into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him,

Matthew 13:38 ESV

The field is the world, and the good seed is the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one,

Zechariah 3:1-2 ESV    

Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to accuse him. And the Lord said to Satan, "The Lord rebuke you, O Satan! The Lord who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you! Is not this a brand plucked from the fire?"

Revelation 12:3 ESV    

And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems.

Revelation 3:9 ESV / 17 helpful votes   

Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet and they will learn that I have loved you.

1 Corinthians 7:5 ESV

Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

Matthew 12:24 ESV

But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, "It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this man casts out demons."

Matthew 13:39 ESV

And the enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the close of the age, and the reapers are angels.

Genesis 3:15 ESV   

I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel."

Matthew 4:1-11 ESV

Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. And after fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. And the tempter came and said to him, "If you are the Son of God, command these stones to become loaves of bread." But he answered, "It is written, "'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.'" Then the devil took him to the holy city and set him on the pinnacle of the temple ...

Jude 1:9 ESV   

But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, was disputing about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a blasphemous judgment, but said, "The Lord rebuke you."

1 Timothy 5:15 ESV

For some have already strayed after Satan. :sigh:

Matthew 4:1 ESV / 14 helpful votes   

Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.

Luke 8:12    

The ones along the path are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved.

Luke 4:10-11 ESV

For it is written, "'He will command his angels concerning you, to guard you,' and "'On their hands they will bear you up, lest you strike your foot against a stone.'"

Luke 11:15 ESV / 12 helpful votes   

But some of them said, "He casts out demons by Beelzebul, the prince of demons,"

Mark 4:15 ESV   

And these are the ones along the path, where the word is sown: when they hear, Satan immediately comes and takes away the word that is sown in them.

Mark 3:22-26 ESV    

And the scribes who came down from Jerusalem were saying, "He is possessed by Beelzebul," and "by the prince of demons he casts out the demons." And he called them to him and said to them in parables, "How can Satan cast out Satan? If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand. And if Satan has risen up against himself and is divided, he cannot stand, but is coming to an end.

Matthew 4:3

And the tempter came and said to him, "If you are the Son of God, command these stones to become loaves of bread."

Revelation 2:24

But to the rest of you in Thyatira, who do not hold this teaching, who have not learned what some call the deep things of Satan, to you I say, I do not lay on you any other burden.

Revelation 1:1-20 ESV    

The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near. John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne, and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood ...

James 2:19 ESV

You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!

Matthew 12:43 ESV

"When the unclean spirit has gone out of a person, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, but finds none.

Zechariah 3:2 ESV / 11 helpful votes   

And the Lord said to Satan, "The Lord rebuke you, O Satan! The Lord who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you! Is not this a brand plucked from the fire?"

Zechariah 3:1 ESV

Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to accuse him.

Ezekiel 28:11-19 ESV

Moreover, the word of the Lord came to me: "Son of man, raise a lamentation over the king of Tyre, and say to him, Thus says the Lord God: "You were the signet of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering, sardius, topaz, and diamond, beryl, onyx, and jasper, sapphire, emerald, and carbuncle; and crafted in gold were your settings and your engravings. On the day that you were created they were prepared. You were an anointed guardian cherub. I placed you; you were on the holy mountain of God; in the midst of the stones of fire you walked. You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created, till unrighteousness was found in you. ...

Genesis 3:1 ESV

Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God actually say, 'You shall not eat of any tree in the garden'?"

Revelation 20:7 ESV
And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison

Revelation 2:13 ESV   

"'I know where you dwell, where Satan's throne is. Yet you hold fast my name, and you did not deny my faith even in the days of Antipas my faithful witness, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells.

2 Peter 2:4 ESV / 10 helpful votes   

For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment;

2 Timothy 3:3 ESV

Heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good,

1 Timothy 3:7 ESV

Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace, into a snare of the devil.

2 Corinthians 12:7 ESV   

So to keep me from becoming conceited because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to harass me, to keep me from becoming conceited.

  as long as the world is  and the god of this world is  , it continues as it was , nothing   new under the Sun , but  in the SON    all things are made new , being born from above   and comes to us   by God whom is love and we  Love HIM  and all  because  He first loved us and gave Himself for us  :HeartThrob:

 

[sheila]

God will rebuke satan himself....He knows the spirit of man is willing..but his flesh is weak...and when we fall..we shall be helpen with a little

  help.  The mind of satan..to tempt,rob lie unto man to lead him to destruction and death will be annhilated. It is only appointed

  unto men to die once...then the resurrection. Man dies once under the law because of disobedience...then Christ the resurrection

   saves and snatches from the fire all men.

   only satan and his demons are appointed to the secound death...their spirit is not saved.

    those of the first resurrection[head [Christ]and not the tail] shall suffer no harm of the LOF....that is not so for satan and the demons

  they will suffer loss...for they are of the tail[false prophets] and not the head.  the dragon took one third of the angels from

  heaven with his tail[false prophet]  all that is of the unseen realm[spirit realm] is manifested openly in the seen realm.

   HE[JESUS CHRIST] has and will deliver us and save us from the wicked one...and his end.

   I WILL HAVE MERCY UPON WHOM I WILL HAVE MERCY.

    He will show everyone what the adversary really is. Your hearts will not be troubled...thinking that God is torturing living creations

      when a woman has her monthly...and throws a filthy rag in the trash...does she grieve...'o' my baby!'?

    when a woman gives birth...through the water and the blood..delivers and she washes and swaddles the child..does she then

take the afterbirth and swaddle it?the secound resurrection/delivery..is it not buried[abyssed] or burned in the fire? is it not

   twice dead[having no life in itself ..just appearing as living tissue because of living child?


   now the Prince of this world would convince you to eat it..or use it for a cream/ointment to make you beautiful. But...the spirit of

disobedience rebellion...or what we call sin...has served it's purpose and come to it's end.

   

[sheila]

what do you guys discern the difference as between a bruised heel and a crushed head.?

[eaglesway]

A bruised heel hurts for a space and hobbles for a bit.

A crushed head puts and end to all activity.

[marie glen]

How can be Satan be judged for something he was created to do? Sin means missing the mark and Satan's job is to be am adversary. In fact, I don't see anywhere in the Bible that says Satan has sinned. He is liar for sure but a sinner? Not too sure about that. I am not sure how he will be transformed but God has a habit of changing peoe identity like how he changes people name. I guess he will no longer be called Satan because God says so.

One day God asked me a question.. not an audible voice, but it came at the end of some interesting info.. To borrow someone else's words "a download from Him"

The question was "why did YHWH wait SO very long, and only create the universe and man and woman, not only after the first bound to occur rebel thought occurred, but after it had matured into outright rebellion and sedition/trickery? Didn't He know what would happen?" ( :laughing7: :faint: of course He did!) The answer came to mind right away "so we would all take this unavoidable journey and lesson all together, otherwise one would wander away now, another later, and another later, taking virtually 'for ever'."

Of course all that could have been avoided, I would think, had He never endowed rationality to any creature.

"Missing the mark" to me equals imperfection... It's my belief God is both life (itself) and perfection.

[marie glen]

what do you guys discern the difference as between a bruised heel and a crushed head.?

    :Chinscratch: Very interesting!!

A bruised heel hurts for a space and hobbles for a bit.

A crushed head puts and end to all activity.

    :thumbsup:

[eaglesway]

To me trumpets represents the prophetic word. God calls.

Day of atonement. God purges.

Feast of tabernacles. God manifests.

[eaglesway]

Thats not meant to be a contradiction of anytimeline type stuff.... Just another persective. I tend to see the temple and the feasts as a pattern for the body moving into fulness.

That God give you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of God that you may know what is the hope of your calling, the riches of His inheritance in the saints and the surpassing greatness of His power towards us who believe."

"That you may kno the lenght, the depth and the breath of the love of Christ and b filled up to all the fulness of God."

[Dandelion]

I would think Satan will be transformed into newness, as the rest of us.

The only other scenario I can possibly fathom is that the struggle for him might be so intense, that he will chose oblivion, rather than succumb to God's will.

But, I really don't think so. And I hope not, even more.

As my Christian comedian friend Pat says, when doing her shtick about the Nativity Scene at Christmas and her son's insistence on 'inviting' some unusual guests to stay at the manger, with the Holy Family, 'everyone is welcome in the Kingdom of God'.

D.                         

[guest5685]

I'll just toss this out here not that I expect many to agree but as food for thought. Angel is a word for messenger and I see Satan as nothing more than the carnal mind. Why we see all the evil in the world is just that depraved fleshly mind folks listen to. When people realize that they can no longer claim "The Devil Made Me Do It" so they must be accountable for their thoughts and actions. The Carnal Mind (Satan) and His Angels (Thoughts contrary to Love) go into the Lake of Fire and the evil thoughts or angels are burnt up by the pure truth of God's Love. The Carnal Mind (Satan) is transformed into a Christlike Mind.

I see this just like the War In Heaven in the Book of Revelation. Michael (the mind of God) and his angels (thoughts) fought against the Dragon (the carnal mind) and his angels (thoughts). The Earth that opens it's mouth and helps the woman (soul) is your own mouth declaring the truth of who you are and your position In Christ.

The "Every Knee Shall Bow" I see as the unrighteous thoughts of man not actual physical knees. Paul says to gird up the loins of your mind so we know out physical reproductive organs are not in our mind but our reproductive thoughts are. I see those thoughts are the knees that bow. I was raised as a Catholic kid and as Catholics we did the knee bowing thing quite often in church and it didn't make me any more god like. I know-I know bending the knee is a form of reverence or submission so what does God want us to do but to submit to His Thoughts and His Ways. His pleasure is for us to be obedient mature children walking in Love. No more war-hate-or anything contrary to His Will. Peace on Earth and Goodwill Toward (ALL) Men.

That's my two cents but if you really think on this you will have great peace of mind and that devil will be dealt a severe blow.
Not conventional thinking and NOT NEW AGE EITHER but I must admit they are close to the truth just need Jesus at the Center.

[eaglesway]

IMO, if the devil is the devil, as Jesus and Paul describe him, to think that he is the carnal mind deals him no blow....as he prefers to be in the darkness, and not believed in, being as that he is the father of lies, author of confusion and the god of this world.

Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil. 12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. 13Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm....Eph 6

Be of sober spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. 9But resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same experiences of suffering are being accomplished by your brethren who are in the world. 1 Peter 5

"And He said to them, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven." (Luke 10:18)

I do agree that the carnal mind works like the devil. It is the same principle at work in the "sons of disobedience"... and it is the source of his expression through man, the door of access being thru the "lusts of the flesh, the pride of life and the pleasures of the mind"

And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4 in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 2 Cor 4

Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Eph 2:2


Throughout the scripture from Job to revelation the adversary is portrayed as an entity, and if so large a body of reference in the scripture is symbolic or allegorical then the book is(to me) no more than fables and metaphors and therefore doctrine is meaningless. If the apostles and Jesus were so far in the dark as to who the adversary is then why place any weight on who they think God is?

When Jesus dealt with the madman of the Gadarenes He was addressing the "hosts of wickedness"(our name is Legion for we are many) that had taken up residence within the man, who, after He had cast them out, sat at His feet whole and in his right mind. The people from the town were so perplexed and astounded by this they asked Jesus to go somewhere else- it turned there belief systems upside down.

Having dealt with demons and the possessed and oppressed(no one should take my word for that- but it is my testimony and I affirm it without reserve)- I believe that the man in whom Legion reisided and those beings that went into the pigs were not "thoughts and attitudes", but real spiritual entities with identity and ego. I just dont see Paul speaking to us in allegories about this when in all other things he speaks directly what is in his mind from his actual perspectve on it. :2c:

[sheila]

 :iagree:   whole-heartedly. In fact...praying down one of these powers and principalities  since Thursday.

[guest5685]

 :dsunny:
It's nice to be able to share on this forum and each give their opinions and reasons for their thoughts in a nice civil manner. It surely isn't like what is found on the really religious boards. I enjoy you all and like to read others opinions since none of us have all the answers. :thumbsup:

Regardless I have found the carnal mind to be my biggest adversary. One other thought I'd like to toss out is Jesus explaining the parable of the sower mentions a type of individual that when the Word is sown Immediately cometh Satan to steal that Word that was sown. We have been taught that satan is an entity and not omnipresent nor all knowing and can only be in one place at a time. That is what I've been taught in most fundamental churches and Full Gospel and Word of Faith type churches. That being said the Word is sown all around the globe somewhere 24 hours a day. That would have to make Satan either extremely fast or omnipresent. Just my opinion but "His Demons" spoken of are not Satan that is another reason for why I believe the Carnal Mind to be the actual adversary as it is always present with the individual that hears the sown Word.  :eek:

[sheila]

oh..but ...'we are many'

[sheila]

  there are offspring of viper's[the original serpent]..and they do the will of their father.  Lord you sowed good seed in your field,

  from whence came the tares?  an enemy hath done it in the night.

      ...and they saw that the daughter's of man were beautiful..and they took them for wives,whomsoever they wanted.

       Perhaps,God may 'turn up the volume' and you hear them..or let you see them...sometime in the future.

   beauty and the beast[carnal mind]