John 10:10 Abundant life and it`s contrast

[Psalm91:4]

Hi brothers and sisters....  :)

Jubilee Bible 2000
The thief comes not but for to steal and to kill and to destroy the sheep; I am come that they might have life and have it in abundance.

Jesus said that.

So, I pretty much get all that the "thief" does in this age. Have seen plenty of it.

What I am looking into mostly now, is what that "abundant life" means.

Now.  Present tense.  As I think He meant it to be.  Not just when we are vivified.  :)

  What is your vision and/or experience in Him, of this "abundance"  He spoke of?

I could say...joy...He gave me...when I was broken.
But that's never been enough...if even one human being, is left crying.  My own personal joy drowns in the presense of another suffering.  Until they also...have joy.

That's just my take on abundant life and I would appreciate hearing from my brothers ans sisters on this matter. 

[eaglesway]

Yes, I think "abundant life" means abundant joy and abundant tears. He was a man well aquainted with sorrows. I think an element of abundant life is the ability to care deeply, and the impulse to bring relief.

I was hungry and you fed me, I was in prison and you visited me.

These simple things we do in the love of God open a reservoir of love, peace and joy within us- and this allows us to sustain the tears we weep, each in our own measure of grace. The tears in turn open the well of compassion from which grow the fruit of the spirit. I think "abundant life" causes the supply of His love and grace to arise from deep within us, moving us to serve in the rescuing of the whole creation(including ourselves and our loved ones) from futility, chaos, sin and oppression.

[Patinak]

Eaglesway,
That was so good.  Are you feeling another song coming on?
Pat

[eaglesway]

I am now ;o)

[Tom]

By special request of Sue, I'm posting some screenshots pertaining to this thread which I just now see for the first time after having it called to my attention. I told her my interpretation is that "life...superabundatly" refers to immortality because I think Christ came to conquer death for us, which I think means we'll have more than natural life as a result. She has a different interpretation, but I've attached the definitions of "life" and "superabundantly" from the concordance. I told her that I don't think we're experiencing "life...superabundantly" now, but I realize everybody has his or her own interpretation. I also told Sue that I don't see "aionion" in the Greek text. So it seems somebody thought it was a good idea to add it because they thought that's what it referred to. That's just my assumption because I haven't actually heard an explanation about it. I can think of one other place that a word seemed to be added in the translation, but I read the story behind that was that some of the manuscripts actually had the extra word in them. With or without "aionion," I still think "life...superabundantly" refers to life way more than what we have now, or life to the max, which ain't what's happening with me right now, but I don't know about the rest of you. I think we'll have that when we're immortalized though, and all mankind will have it at the consummation of the eons when God is all in all. So see the attachments my sister asked me to post for her, and decide for yourself what you think. 

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[Tom]

I apologize to Sue for being so slow about getting this together. I think I'm going to pass the hat for her to get her an Internet connection for her laptop because her teeny weeny phone screen can't handle some stuff.

[Psalm91:4]

LOL. I have a laptop here right now, Tom...but no internet connection besides my phone since my side of this street is still without it.  At the moment!  But I'm mosttimes somewhere there is internet, so no worries.  But thank you for the kind thought.  :)

I'm working on something with this translation....and am actually glad eonian isn't used there...and was added by someone.  As you said, I disagree this superabundant life the Lord came to give us has anything to do with a future immortality....

Be back after a while.

And thank you Eaglesway.....    :)   the thoughts you
expressed were/are lovely.  I wanna hear that song!

[Tom]

I've said before that I don't believe there is a perfect translation because something is always lost in translation, as they say, and anything coming through human hands is bound to have some flaws. But I still think the Concordant Version is more accurate than all the other ones I've read. In case you're wondering what that other word was that seemed to be added, I've attached a couple of screenshots. The word "grace" isn't in the ancient text of the Interlinear Scripture Analyzer, but it is in the Concordant Greek Text. I've mentioned before that there was a time when the Interlinear Scripture Analyzer didn't depend solely on the Textus Receptus, but a copyright problem arose and now it is. That bugs me when it gets to 1 John 5:7, but I know what's up. So I don't get tense about it. Anyway, the word "grace" in Romans 7:24 of the Concordant Version is what the attachments refer to.   

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[eaglesway]

I think aionian life is simply the life of Christ within us.

When Christ who, is our life,is revealed, we will also b reveald with Him in glory.

There is only one life, it is Christ in you the hope of glory

In my opinion it is abundant, it is aionian, and it is eternal. Because the vine is aionian and everlasting, so r the branches as they are grafted in, as long as they abide.

This is aionian life, to know God and Jesus, to be connected to their life sustaining love in communion.

I think it is the resurrection life of Jesus, in us through the Spirit.

I am just learning to post on this smart phone. Slow going LOL

[Tom]

Well, you're ahead of me, bro, because I don't even have a smartphone yet.

[Tom]

I just got this information from the Concordant Publishing Concern to solve the mystery of why the word "eonian" is in John 10:10 in the Concordant Version even though we don't see it in the Interlinear Scripture Analyzer that only uses the Textus Receptus now. This is what I was told.

"Alexandrinus and Vaticanus do not have "eonian" in their Greek texts in John 10:10. However, Sinaiticus does have it and therefore this is why it was included in the Concordant Literal New Testament."

So, even though I know Sue prefers to think the "life...superabundantly" referred to in John 10:10 is this "life" in this eon, it seems there is good reason to think it may actually be referring to "life eonian," which I believe refers to the coming eon when we in the body of Christ will be literally vivified, in other words immortalized.

http://www.saviourofall.org/charts/ChartOfJudgments.html

I know there are other interpretations of "life eonian" on this forum, as there are many other things that I see differently, and I realize everybody has his or her own perspective and interpretation of all of scripture. I simply offer mine, and you can take it or leave it. I claim no authority. I believe the word of God is what we have to give us the truth, and studying an accurate translation is necessary to know that. I've read several versions of scripture, and I still think the Concordant Version is the most accurate even though I realize there is no perfect translation. I don't read Greek or Hebrew, and you can't teach an old dog new tricks. So I'll rely on the Concordant Version until somebody shows me something better. I've been offered possibilities in the past, but I haven't seen that actually to be the case with anything else. I think the method of translation used by the Concordant Publishing Concern is what makes the difference. Anyway, I'm glad to have received the information about John 10:10 this morning, and I wanted to share it with all of you because I didn't want to just not have an explanation for why a word was added to the English translation that isn't seen in the Greek texts that I had seen.

[Tom]

Like I said before, I don't read Greek, but I think the attached screenshot of John 10:10 from Codex Sinaiticus shows "aionion" in it.

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[Tom]

This is an explanation of what I said in Reply#4 about knowing of one other place in the Concordant Version where it seems a word was added.

Unsearchable Riches V19P1 p101 Grace for the Wretched Man

The Authorized Version renders Romans 7:24 thus:

     "O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord."

     Since the King James "Bible" was made, this question has been read and reread by the saints of God, but the answer has been lacking. The CONCORDANT VERSION, following the editor of Sinaiticus, restores the answer that has been lost all these years. It reads:

     "A wretched man am I! What will rescue me out of this body of death? Grace! Now I am thanking God, through Jesus Christ, our Lord."

[Psalm91:4]

Thanks so very much for that information, Tom. Greatly appreciated.    :)

This study is taking a bit longer than I thought because Strongs #2222. Zoe.....life apparently occurs 135 times in the NT and I'm examining how it was used, in context, each time.

My focus is on Him....the One who IS the life and what that means for us....now, in this age, as the ecclesia.  Of course,  correcting myself..... I realize and concede there is also a time of being changed bodily, as well, due to His Life.

Anyway....may take me a while....just sayin. :dsunny:
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[Lorenzo]

And this is life age abiding: to know thee, the only true God, and the one whom thou did send: Jesus Christ. (John 17)