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[Wadif I.M. Rong]

I guess we knew it was coming.

It's here.

First time in U.S. History that a Christian is put in jail for refusing to deny her beliefs. This should be alarming to anyone who has beliefs they would not deny, and who would not put their name to a document displaying that denial; whatever those beliefs might be.

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[HungerForTruth]

She was a government employee that refused to do her job.  She should of resigned if she felt that strongly about it - or been fired. 

But sent to jail?  Fired yes.  Sent to jail?  No way is that right.

[Wadif I.M. Rong]

The officials in Hitlers government were government officials as well. When their laws changed and became immoral they also should have refused to obey them. For some of us, backing down quietly will not be an option.

She is an elected official and cannot be fired. She can be impeached. Yet in the mean time, her name is on those documents.

When the government or anyone else forces me to perform/endorse (put my name on) an act that to me is immoral, I will respond in a similar way.

[Wadif I.M. Rong]

This country was founded on freedom of religion. This is a sad day in history.

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[HungerForTruth]

Then she should of resigned.  She had that option. 

[Wadif I.M. Rong]

Should Daniel have resigned as well?  Or how about at least hiding in a closet to do his religion?

[Wadif I.M. Rong]

Peter, John, and Paul each had opportunities to avoid prison. Don't you wish they had become obedient to those Godless laws In Authority over them? Because if they had you would have a strong case. Down side is, neither would so many have seen their lives and heard their words of faith.

[HungerForTruth]

That is not even close to being the same thing.  She is being paid to fulfill and office that supports the law.  She should of resigned if she cannot fulfill her duties.

[Wadif I.M. Rong]

"Whether it is right before God to listen to you more than to God, you judge"  (Acts 4:19)

Are we really in a position to judge what Kim Davis "should have" done?
You are able to define what her actions should have been? You are saying then that Kim Davis is in defiance to Gods will for her life. God would not tell her to do something you say she "should not have done" or, more specifically, not done something she should have. It's an awesome responsibility to have the mind of God in this matter. I hope we are up to it.

You have stated you are "in the closet" about some of your beliefs. She might not know how to live that way.

[Wadif I.M. Rong]

That is not even close to being the same thing.  She is being paid to fulfill and office that supports the law.  She should of resigned if she cannot fulfill her duties.

It is exactly the same thing. Daniel was in the service of the government which he defied when the law changed and became immoral.

[Wadif I.M. Rong]

The flood gates are opened. Get ready. Flood waters approaching a closet near you.

[sheila]

...look for employment options for christians with consciences to decline.  not being able to 'buy or sell' we can appreciate

     Jesus judgement/rewarding of those who 'were hungry and you fed me,naked and clothed me,sick and in prison and you

   visited me"  I tell you the truth..what you have done for one of these little ones who believe in me..ye have the same as done

  it to me."

  He who takes your outer-garment,give unto him your inner garment also.They took her outer garment/means to sustain her

  outward man. Her inner garment needs to be given also to them[spirit of Christ] Christians should be expecting this kind of thing. They

are cutting off christians heads in some countries.  though they pillage us of the material..we have an inheritance laid up that no-one can

touch.

   expect 100 fold back..anything given up...be they fields,houses,spouses or your life.

   now,they may take freedom of religion to the courts...and try them. But,I do not look for any protection to come this way.

   this country is done hard set in it's course,imo.

   this is going to 'make and break' nominal christians...there will be no 'fence' sitting.trials by fire are coming...for purification.

[sheila]

when the wicked rule..and everything is turned upside down...good is called 'evil' and evil is called 'good'  therefore..keeping a

  'good' conscience before God will land you as 'evil' and in jail as a criminal.

    sin will be paraded and righteousness will hide in the closet. whereas sin used to remain in the clost and what is right was

   openly displayed.

[dajomaco]

...look for employment options for christians with consciences to decline.  not being able to 'buy or sell' we can appreciate

     Jesus judgement/rewarding of those who 'were hungry and you fed me,naked and clothed me,sick and in prison and you

   visited me"  I tell you the truth..what you have done for one of these little ones who believe in me..ye have the same as done

  it to me."

  He who takes your outer-garment,give unto him your inner garment also.They took her outer garment/means to sustain her

  outward man. Her inner garment needs to be given also to them[spirit of Christ] Christians should be expecting this kind of thing. They


There are no laws against the above. :iagree:

[jabcat]

Good post sheila.

Wadif, you've swayed me some on this.  I obviously was against her going to jail, thinking the judge was just activist wanting to make a point.  However, my hesitancy came in regarding the whole "obey the law of the land thing", and also thinking perhaps of other options such resigning or allowing someone else in her office to issue the ridiculous licenses.  But your post(s) helped bring things into a little more clarity for me.  At what point does 'obey the law of the land" no longer apply?  I'd think when it was in obvious direct opposition to what God says, such as in this case.  In this case or similar, if something is clearly Written, how can a true believer, blood-washed blood-bought saint take a direct action for "Caesar" that's in direct opposition to God and His Way?  Also, "hiding in the closet" is another salient topic in this;  I wonder how often "we" (hypothetical we, including "me") hide our true beliefs so we don't "get in trouble" with the world.  Really some things to think about, as things wind up and tighten up.  There will likely come a time - maybe soon - when speaking anything from scripture that's against the world's (and apostate "namers of the name of Christ') beliefs, will be LEGALLY (with punishments and penalties).  The adversary is kicking hard.  He either doesn't know God's plan of redemption and reconciliation (Victorious Gospel), or he does know and it scares him to death so he's throwing a fit.   Come Lord Jesus quickly.  Reign so the world will learn your righteousness.

[Wadif I.M. Rong]

when the wicked rule..and everything is turned upside down...good is called 'evil' and evil is called 'good'  therefore..keeping a

  'good' conscience before God will land you as 'evil' and in jail as a criminal.

    sin will be paraded and righteousness will hide in the closet. whereas sin used to remain in the clost and what is right was

   openly displayed.

"...some things to think about as things wind up and tighten up". Jabcat

Jabcat, what brought me here and got me studying is the realization that it is time for me to know what I believe.  Whatever that is, am I willing to go to prison for it or die for it?  And how does what I believe dictate my actions in view of persecution of those next to me; even when I might disagree with some of their beliefs.

I have decided to stand up for them and help them to the point of giving my life if that is what it takes for me to help them.

As a kid I heard of things like this in over-seas locations. It is hard to watch things "wind up and tighten up" here in my home.

I have a new quote in my book of quotes. As uncomfortable as it makes me, it is powerful in its truth. I don't know the name of the woman who penned it, but she goes by "Cardinal".

"If God doesn't judge this nation's sins and let it fall, He'll have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah"  -Cardinal

Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand

[Dandelion]

   now,they may take freedom of religion to the courts...and try them. But,I do not look for any protection to come this way.

   this country is done hard set in it's course,imo.

   this is going to 'make and break' nominal christians...there will be no 'fence' sitting.trials by fire are coming...for purification.

I think you might be right, Sheila. People have been so complacent about Christians being tortured, murdered, and persecuted in other countries. I don't understand why they don't realize that it will trickle down to us......to them, soon, too. Or how we can watch our brothers and sisters in Christ, die, and not feel a kinship with them. I am not of the mind to say, " Oh, well, the end of the world is coming, anyway.....nothing I can do about it." as many seem to do. Show me in the Bible where we are to sit back and become spectators in life, because we think the world is going to end? 

We need to keep on going. Now, I was not particularly upset by her arrest, as I expected it. I would guess she was offered to resign. Sorry, I have not been following the news stories as well as I should. If you disobey the law of the land, you will be treated accordingly. Yet, this is all very unsettling, as the law of the land seems to be increasingly against Christian thought.

We are going to need to be strong. I think of my children, just starting their adult lives, and of my potential grandchildren, being born in this climate. It is not what I pictured, years ago. But then, much of my life is not as I pictured years ago.

God be with us......and He will.  I think it is going to be a very rough ride.

My  :2c:

D.             :Pray:

[Aerex]

For one I have the feeling the motivation for this arrest is purely political. I don't think it was right for her to be sent to jail for not providing a marriage license. Objectively she should be fired or merely get another judge. It is the reason why marriage should not be controlled by state.

HungerForTruth is right the judge's responsibility is different than the citizen like Peter or John. What happens if the judge was religion X and that religion states that two people of different religion can't get marry. Should the judge decide not to marry the two people. Do you see logical problems with this? It is just not that simple. If she had the option to resign she should have taken it.

[sheila]

it's really a matter of the people saying 'He shall not be King over us" and killing the heir. The parable of the tenants.

   Luke 20;17.......'The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone. Everyone who falls on that stone will be broken

  to pieces,but he on whom it falls will be crushed"[crushed head of the serpent]

   a stone not cut out by human hands..will strike the image at it's feet.

[sheila]

Rev 11;7 now when they have finished their testimony,the beast that comes up from the abyss,will attack them and overpower

  and kill them. Their bodies will lie in the great city that is 'FIGURATIVELY" called sodom and egypt,where also their Lord was

  crucified.   the inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate for these two wittness'es 'TORMENTED[have you come

to torment us before the proper time] those who live on the earth

[Wadif I.M. Rong]

For one I have the feeling the motivation for this arrest is purely political. I don't think it was right for her to be sent to jail for not providing a marriage license. Objectively she should be fired or merely get another judge. It is the reason why marriage should not be controlled by state.

HungerForTruth is right the judge's responsibility is different than the citizen like Peter or John. What happens if the judge was religion X and that religion states that two people of different religion can't get marry. Should the judge decide not to marry the two people. Do you see logical problems with this? It is just not that simple. If she had the option to resign she should have taken it.

If you are comparing interracial marriage to gay marriage, it is testimony to how far we have come. As far as I can discover,in the history of the human race there has never been a religion that sanctioned marriage between two men. She is not being obedient to only Christianity, but to every religion, and to the laws decided upon by the people of Kentucky (75% vote). 

The laws she refuses to acknowledge are unconstitutional, illegal, immoral, evil, tyrannical and unprecedented in the history of mankind. Some one like Rosa Parks MUST stand up to tyrannical laws and lawless, activist judges. They are against the "laws of nature and natures God", and against the will of the people.

(This law is not of the people, by the people, or for the people. It is of a God hating agenda, by a God hating agenda, and for a God hating agenda, by five men who were entrusted with more power than the president and who decided to use that power to put their own agenda above the rule of law).

Interesting that once again it is a woman who has enough guts to stand up to tyranny.

You are saying Rosa Parks should have quietly went to the back of the bus? That Christians should have quietly accepted Jim Crow laws?; and carried out racist duties on their jobs because the law required it?  Or maybe you are saying Followers of Jesus should have just quit jobs requiring racism, and went back to their closets to pray in peace?

Is this the typical stance of UR believers when faced with evil and abuse of fellow human beings?  I really need to know the answer to that. Or; if you want to acknowledge and stand against evil as a UR believer is it required that you be a woman?


Kim Davis is in jail "without bail". Jeffrey Dahmer and other serial killers, child rapists, mass murderers have been given bail.

If God doesn't judge this nations sins and let it fall, He'll have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah"

[sheila]

Dan 2;44  In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin,nor will it be

  left to another people. It will 'CRUSH" all those kingdoms,and bring them to an end. But it will itself endure forever.

[sheila]

Matt 4;8  Again the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world[NWO] and their splendor.

  All this I will give you;he said, if you will bow down and worship me"  Jesus said ,'away from me satan! for it is written; Worship

the Lord your God and serve Him only"

  a place prepared for the woman in the wilderness....and the dragon opened it's mouth and spew floodwaters after the woman

  and tried to wash her away of the floodwaters. and the woman was given two wings of an eagle to fly away.............

    now Babylon fornicated with the kings of the earth...and rides the beast...the beast shall expose her nakedness..etc.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I'm sure she knew what her options were when she refused, and I think it's safe to say the Spirit convicted her of complicity in their sin. She could have resigned to save herself, but she chose to refuse. I hope people start a legal fund for her.

The harshness of being put in jail without bond, tells you who is running the show, and that this is an all out attack on Christian values, which has been going on for decades now, gaining momentum as it goes. It started with the AIDS crisis, when the push was to hide the fact it started in the homosexual community. Then AIDS became the first disease in history to have a civil rights law applied to it.

Think about it. Every other highly contagious disease in our past was dealt with by quarantine so as not to spread it to the public and create an epidemic, until a cure could be found. It was necessary to them that this not happen so a civil rights argument clouded the issue from what it really was. Then it became necessary to hide those that had AIDS, so we were sold another civil rights law whose inspiration had nothing to do with OUR civil rights, but everything to do with hiding the medical information of those that had AIDS so they could not take adequate measures to protect us. It's called HIPPA.

But back to Kim; I think they probably set her up, looking for a test case and they found it. As always....my  :2c:  Blessings....

[sheila]

 I remember that well,Bex. I was working at the hospital then.always before signs of precautions were posted on the door.This

put on alert the staff and visitors. Universal precautions came into play at that time.  We had a gay activist working as 'unit clerk' at

  that time......and I was wondering why our med-surg unit had so may aids patients. Then I found out the unit clerk was requesting

  all aids patients be sent to our med-surg unit.

  not that I would in anyway refuse to offer them compassionate nursing care...the same as any other..tb hepatitis,viral pneumonia.

  but that was when it changed.