What do we do?

JonesHenry · May 10, 2015, 09:55:33 AM

How do we universalist counter atheist who believe in "evolution" from random monkeys?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=152_1431236458

I debate with a friend of mine at work constantly. When ever i open my mouth to point out to the bible has been falsely translated he says "SEE? YOUR BIBLE IS NOT THE WORD OF GOD!"

How do we counter this? I mean...we all know this MONKEY RELIGION is a bunch of cursed nonesne, but what exactly do we DO? If we try to counter there TWISTED BELIEFS they will say right outfront "your bible is FAKE! See your proofed it YOURSELF!"

Were really good an countering people with FAKE bible translations, but how do we cope with the unbelievers? They dont want to listen and they continue believe in there monkey bullcrap that we all came from these savage apes once around a million years ago. What exactly do we do?

rosered · May 10, 2015, 05:17:12 PM

Hi Jones ,
I am sorry if I was harsh the other day , you catch me off guard with your jesting :icon_jokercolor:

For me I will say this , until those seals in the Book are opened to you , no body ''gets'' the Bible

This is something we cannot do on our own power or strength .

What many have done though is tried and that is the mess we see with the Word of God now days and times past when they tried

The twisting of the scriptures is something mankind has done to use this power to destroy others , not really help anyone and get themselves in a world of hurt

Until God examines your heart and makes the judgment to open the seals for you by the SPIRIT OF TRUTH , this Witness is the powerful one

For me its always been the Fater & Son combined with alll that has went before us and it is increasing steadily on a daily basis

To even get to unlocking the mysteries of Gods desire

Gods desire is to save everyone he created , His trees planted will never be destroyed ,
that being those trees of Life given Life by the Tree of Life being His one of a kind son and seed in its self

This is metaphor speech , we know the trees are something in mankind that are not tangible and concrete

But yet they hold more meaning in Truth , that the temporary things this world holds as real

Its like a picture or image , that you see the negative in the shadows of this life and the real is what really exist and always has existed as the picture is

not a picture at all

but a reality our little human minds cannot for the life us grasp !

It takes the mind of Christ and this mind is the soul or life part we exchange for His ,

its sort of like putting your old mind on the back burner and start using this new ''GIFT'' mind of Christ of thoughts and feelings and understanding and love ,

you never knew existed before you got this awesome new mind and it is able to open the books that are sealed to that old mind that never had a clue to

what God is or means or does ever

This is the best I can do bro J !!

Tom · May 10, 2015, 06:08:39 PM

JonesHenry · May 10, 2015, 08:17:46 PM

Quotemust have come from space aliens

My friend at work basicly said that aliens came from another universe...had "sex" with monkeys and thus we humans were born :footmouth: :doh: :LH:

This reminds me of...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2515969/Humans-evolved-female-chimpanzee-mated-pig-Extraordinary-claim-American-geneticist.html

It makes perfect sense right :iagree:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDrlUKuLd28

And he calls me crazy for believing in a "jew on a stake"

Never mind...hes CLEARLY mentally i'll autistic and talks about the 80's and childrens cartoons of that era. Im not going to even bother to comment this so called "science"

It's a bit like believing in animal faced gods aroughly around 3000-years ago.

(http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large/2-egyptian-gods-and-goddess-michal-boubin.jpg)

I mean, if theres a picture of these guys it must be true right? Same thing with the aliens coming from outer space to mate with monkeys and pigs to form humans?

(http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/geocentrism/sumerian_artifact.jpg)

ANYTHING GOES FOLKS...as long as it's NOT written in the bible :Pray:

Tom · May 10, 2015, 08:25:23 PM

I don't believe the multiverse theory, and I think the atheist idea of space aliens creating humans is wacko regardless of whether they came from the only universe I think exists or one of the multitude of other universes atheists use as an excuse for refusing to believe God is operating this one.

jabcat · May 10, 2015, 08:41:03 PM

hey joneshenry, what's wrong with 80's cartoons??? :wink2: :laugh2:

WhiteWings · May 11, 2015, 11:04:14 PM

Quote from: JonesHenry on May 10, 2015, 09:55:33 AM
How do we universalist counter atheist who believe in "evolution" from random monkeys?

I debate with a friend of mine at work constantly. When ever i open my mouth to point out to the bible has been falsely translated he says "SEE? YOUR BIBLE IS NOT THE WORD OF GOD!"

The answer to that is quite simple. He's right. And you too....

The original Bible is 100% inspired and correct. Translations are just best efforts of man (with sometime doctrinal slants added on purpose)
Add to that the fact that a few copy errors might have crept in. For example different spelling. Forgot a word. Or even a whole verse. No ill intent just mortals making honest mistakes.

I think all of that is logical. There are so many translations and they all differ on several things. They can't be all the exact word of God.
Your atheist friend is right about that. But he's not right using that info as proof of monkey evolution. It would be the same if I make 20 different books about monkeys with conflicting info. Then I claim the whole thing is bogus because the books differ. But they differ because I introduced those mistakes.

That's exactly what Gary (owner of this ministry) spends most of his time on. Pointing out that things like hell are wrong translations.

JonesHenry · May 12, 2015, 01:38:09 AM

QuoteAdd to that the fact that a few copy errors might have crept in.

You dont say :eek:

http://blog.chron.com/iconia/2011/08/hebrew-translation-error-leads-scholars-to-say-eve-created-from-penis-bone-not-rib

Medical experts agree, but not "honorary" bible translators

https://awhooker.wordpress.com/2012/12/04/is-adams-rib-actually-his-penis-bone

Oh boy :LH:

Quotehey joneshenry, what's wrong with 80's cartoons???

Nothing! I loved 80's cartoons when i was growing up!

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-krg5Q1EwcWw/VGoH83IXhOI/AAAAAAAAdNo/a5zxeEPiG2k/s1600/mY9Lyku1.png)

And even when i was an atehist i consider this to be one of the coolest!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTsEvpbDICk

Tom · May 12, 2015, 01:46:49 AM

Actually I think it's exactly the opposite of that. See the attachment.

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marie glen · May 12, 2015, 05:24:18 AM

I think the best bet would be to ask him questions.. we christians too often let the atheist ask all the questions, and then we get in the position of defense.. And "the grave" somehow becoming 'hell' and age lasting, ever lasting, doesn't mean the Bible is full of error.. I'm sure some have shipwrecked thinking so.. All challenges to the bible are SO easily refuted..

A top question I like to mention is "if all life evolved from one tiny life form, where are the gaZillion transitional life forms, both living and fossil?" - they have like maybe a handful of what they think of as possibilities.. In Mr Darwin's day they expected to find millions/billions/trillions..

It takes a lot of faith to believe "in the beginning was nothing, then it exploded and became everything" - now that would be QUITE the immaculate conception!!

Any true scientist would tell us nothing cannot become anything, much less everything.. And since when does an explosion lead to increased order..?

Top mathematicians have said the odds of the first 113(?) amino acids lining up perfectly in order to produce the first (spark of) life to be impossible.. against all odds

Just like the alphabet makes up words and a novel.. the 110(?) elements make up all things which exist.. if we could shake a box of letters and make a nove.. or even a sentence.. maybe man's theory would stand a chance..

True science does not interpret observation according to preconceived notions!! There is no scientific support for evolution.. Natural selection is the separating of traits present, not the developing of new traits.. (This is why the children of Adam and Eve could safely marry, because the dna lines were full range, not narrowed.)

In Darwin's day the DNA code was unknown.. Can computer code write itself? DNA is information, where does information come from?

Darwin said if anyone could find one thing which could not have come about through a series of small random changes, his theory would be disproven. at the time they thought the humble cell was a blob. now we know it is a metropolis of communication and activity more complex than one of our major cities..

the second law of science is the law of entropy, all matter is falling apart, not improving.. both matter and communication breaks down.. how was this law suspended in order for matter to be greatly improved into life?Some atheistic scientists have said the sun coming into the system.. :Chinscratch: so how did the system/universe get here?

And also, as for the sun? yes, the leaves on a tree can utilize sunlight for increased order. But pluck the leaf from the tree, what happens? So living organisms can utilize the sun for increased order, but not nonliving.. or is it only my house that needs upkeep? Only my car that rusts? Put an old chevy in the field in bright sunshine, it will never produce life. Rust may fall into the dirt and there be life in the dirt.. but not in the rust.

Because of the 2nd law, matter/the universe could not have always been..

True science disproves man's adult fairy tale / ridiculous theory over and over.. True science much more supports creation / design..

Dawkins, a leading atheistic scientist has put forth ideas like the flying squirrel became the bird.. oh? its bones went hollow, etc.. more aeronautic than any of man's flying machines.. can a jet come about randomly? Light for flight is very tricky business.. very complex. He also has said the land cow evolved from the whale. :laughing7:

Besides how did any life form survive, during the hundreds of years its survival mechanism was evolving?

Irreducible complexity - is the examining of an organism, or part, like an eye, or ear, etc.. like a mousetrap, take away how many of its functions or parts, before it just cannot work. This is its irreducible complexity.. The remaining functions had to all slowly evolve, randomly.. together. :dontknow: how is that done? It isn't.

Even the means of dating, they simply pick the one which best meets their theory.. radiometric or carbon dating is not very reliable after a few thousand years..

there are other ways of dating which suggest much shorter time.. besides water over the planet for a year, greatly aged..

Helium evaporated (rises) at a very fast rate, if the earth system was millions of years old there would be no helium.

How did anything breathe the hundreds of years it took to evolve lungs?

It's been said it took millions of years to form the grand Canyon, but we've seen canyons carved out by flash flood.. the layers are sediment layers from the flood.. all lands have a flood 'memory', most very embellished.. I believe the Neandertals disappeared in the flood.. Cainites with the (Prominent?) brow..

Fossils are found in piles like a tide washed them there.. Noah's boat was huuge.. Dinosaur is the most described animal in the bible.. 'with the tail like a mighty cedar" (Job 40?)

Those are just a very few points.. Atheists accuse christians of blind faith.. but the theory of evolution as to origins is simply another belief, and somehow so many think it has been proven somehow and is fact.. New discoveries makes large headlines, when disproven? nope.. Not even taken out of textbooks!

AswersInGenesis.org is a great site and there's others.. Lately in my neck of the woods, we get some good shows on this on christian networks both local and satellite/cable.. (and good things on youtube)

It's a fascinating topic and study! :smile:

Where did God come from? (folks like to ask) God is life, the spark of, and life force.
[And also perfection, therefore the 'end' result of all this (life as we know it, and human history) can only be the best one possible.]

Tom · May 12, 2015, 04:36:12 PM

Amen, sis, to all that, but I also think the age of the earth is irrelevant because the genealogies in scripture aren't an actual measure of time as some assume due to how some ancestors are classified, and the creation account in Genesis doesn't say how much time passed before or after the disruption to the creation of man. So folks can argue all they want about how old the earth is, but what's the use? Who cares? It doesn't prove anything. Everybody has a choice to make about whether to believe God created the whole universe or it somehow came into being all by itself which is the atheist religion because atheists don't think they need God. Like you said, something doesn't come from nothing even though atheists are trying to redefine nothing as the quantum vacuum, but scientists know the quantum vacuum isn't really nothing. It's just a question of either believing in God or not, and some folks have not be given faith by God while some have. I think most of us were taught evolution as fact in school, but it is just an unproven untested hypothesis of one guy. Darwinism is simply the religion of atheists, but it is illogical and unscientific even though atheists claim believers don't believe in science. True science indicates that an intelligent mind is operating the universe, and that is the spirit personified as God.

micah7:9 · May 12, 2015, 05:12:55 PM

Pro 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, Lest thou also be like unto him.

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