Will gay people go to "Hell"

[JonesHenry]

PLEASE NOTE;this is a RHETORICAL QUESTION! Not looking for an answer, as much as GIVING ONE!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cb2_1430940485



First to answer this woman;is homosexuality a sin?



What does the bible say?


"'If a man lies with a male, as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon themselves.

Lev. 20:13



AGAIN PLEASE NOTE;there talking about ANAL SEX over there! Not hugging or kissing!



This is a bit like the HELL agrument!



Jesus speaks of GEHENNA outside the gates of new Jerusalem!

"If your eye causes you to stumble, cast it out. It is better for you to enter into God's Kingdom with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into the Gehenna* of fire,  'where their worm doesn't die, and the fire is not quenched.' ✡ For EVERYONE WILL BE SALTED with fire, and every sacrifice will be seasoned with salt. Salt is good, but if the salt has lost its saltiness, with what will you season it? Have salt in yourselves, and be at peace with one another."

Gospel of March chapter 9 verses 47-50



"He answered them, "He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man, the field is the world; and the good seed, these are the children of the Kingdom; and the darnel weeds are the children of the evil one. The enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are angels. As therefore the darnel weeds are gathered up and burned with fire; so will it be at the end of this age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will gather out of his Kingdom all things that cause stumbling, and those who do iniquity, and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be WEEPING AND THE GNASHING OF TEETH  Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the Kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear. "

Gospel of Matthew chapter 13 verses 37-43



The "bible" speaks of HELL! A fierry underworld rulerd over by DEMONS! Also known as TARTAROS!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-KTXzJRn9A



So...wich one is correct...Jesus or the "bible"



You must decide!



The bible defines homosexuality as a sin...in the CATEGORY of adultery!


"If a man is found lying with a woman married to a HUSBAND, then they shall BOTH DIE, the man who lay with the woman and the woman. So you shall remove the EVIL from Israel."

Deuteronomy 22:22



Jesus says that if you even LOOK at ANOTHER MANS WOMAN in that way, then you have ALREADY comited ADULTERY and should therefor be PUT TO DEATH BY STONING!

"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery;'but I tell you that everyone who GAZES at a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart."

Gospel of Matthew chapter 5 verses 27-28



Ouch :doh:



You know...the bible does not say this...but Jesus was STONED for your sins for SEVERAL HOURS! How else do you think he BLEEDED so much? This is a topic i will get into later on! Almost ANYONE can survive being crucifed for a little time, and many people still TRY that today! In the Roman empire actually MANY survived crucifixion and were TAKEN DOWN from the cross! Yes it's humiliating, but they made is through it, and even Jesus survived without a SINGLE BONE being broken!


"These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: "Not one of his bones will be broken,"

John 19:36



"But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his WOUNDS WE ARE HEALED!

Isaiah 53:5



It's not the actual crucifiction thats the "bad part" Jesus dies because od BLOOD LOSS! He was weak beyond prepare BY THE TIME he got on the cross! This is something i will speak more of once i find the link! Since he was a SACRIFICIAL LAMB he had to be literally SACRIFICIED LAMB AND SLAGHTERED according to the LAWS of hes father YAHWEH!




I will get into this paticular topic later on. You see...on the cross he was ALREADY 3/4 DEAD! And it was AT THIS POINT that god poured on him hes WRATH and the sins of the WHOLE WORLD...Yet he still WON!


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This is why he called it a FIERY BABTISM! The VERY SAME BABTISM that awaist ALL THOSE SINNERS who are not in christ outside the heavenly Jerusalem!

http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/kjv/basanizo.html



Infact....when he soughted "MY GOD WHY HACE YOU FORSAKEN ME!!?" It was MISTRANSLATED from the original Arameic to Greek. What he actual SAID was;"My GOD! My TASK is complete!"



The "church" is AFRAID of this, do to a lot of reasons! They want to see Yeshua the tekton(builder, master craftsman) to be seen as a "weak lamb" but he was FARE FROM WEAK! He was just HUMBLE! Will get into this too a little later!



You know...according to the bible even RACE MIXING is technicly a SIN!

https://ehudwould.wordpress.com/2009/12/02/the-mamzer-of-deuteronomy-232



And when i say "race mixing" im not talking about the SEX at all! Im talking "mixing the multitudes" as in FORCING peoples of different races to LIVE together side by side!

http://news.yahoo.com/americans-finally-admitting-race-relations-problem-153921537.html



"When the people heard this law, they excluded from Israel all who were of foreign descent."

Nehemiah 13:3



You call it "America" You call it a "great society" But the BIBLE calls it an ABOMONIATION!



"The whole earth was of one language and of one speech. As they traveled from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar, and they lived there. They said to one another, "Come, let's make bricks, and burn them thoroughly." They had brick for stone, and they used tar for mortar. They said, "Come, let's build ourselves a CITY and a tower whose top reaches to the sky, and let's make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad on the surface of the whole earth."


Yahweh came down to see the CITY and the TOWER which the children of men built. 6 Yahweh said, "Behold, they are one people, and they all have one language, and this is what they begin to do. Now nothing will be withheld from them, which they intend to do. Come, let's go down, and there and CONFUSE THERE LANGUAGE that they may not understand one another's speech." So Yahweh SCATTERED them abroad from there on the surface of all the earth. They stopped building the CITY Therefore its name was called BABEL, because there Yahweh confused the language of all the earth. From there, Yahweh SCATTERED them abroad on the SURFACE OF ALL THE EARTH!"

Book of Genesis chapter 11 verses 1-9


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Got created the races to be separate and unique! Not the be FORECULLY MIXED and mingled together based on mens laws, passions, traditions, or IDEALS!

(https://bialczynski.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/habiru-shown-in-the-tombs-of-amarna-egypt.gif)



It leads to ethnic wars and CHAOS!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=78c_1430755186



So is homoxeuality a sin...YES!



You wanna start throwing stones?



Will there be gay people in heaven?



Jesus says NO!


"He answered, "Haven't you read that he who made them from the beginning made them MALE AND FEMALE,   and said, 'For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother, and shall be joined to his wife; and the two shall become one flesh?' So that they are no more two, BUT ONE FLESH What therefore God has joined together, don't let man tear apart."

Gospel of Matthew chapter 19 verses 4-6



Will there be straight people in heaven?



Jesus again says NO!

"But Jesus answered them, "You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures, NOR THE POWER OF GOD! For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, BUT ARE LIKE GODA ANGELS IN HEAVEN!  But concerning the resurrection of the dead, haven't you read that which was spoken to you by God, saying,  'I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?'✡ God is not the God of the DEAD, but of the LIVING! "


Gospel of Matthew chapter 22 verses 29-32



Wich of this can you not understand you self righteous BIGGOT!? You cursed HELLMONGER! How much arrogance actually fits into that PUNY shrinking head of yours? Why must we go through over these SAME THINGS over and over again?



Is homosexuality a sin?  Did god actually CREATE homosexuals? Wont gay people go to HELL...



Blaa blaa blaa...will it EVER END!!?



P.S:Im against Gay MARRIAGE and feel it's an abomination before god, just like Jesus said!
Some [mod edit] should get a good beating, but thats it! God says IN THE SCRIPTURE that he will DISCIPLINE those he loves, and i BELIEVE that god loves gay people too :HeartThrob:


"Therefore let's also, seeing we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, lay aside every weight and the sin which so easily entangles us, and let's run with perseverance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising its shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. For consider him who has endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, that you don't grow weary, fainting in your souls. You have not yet resisted to BLOOD, striving against sin; and you have forgotten the exhortation which reasons with you as with children,


"My son, don't take lightly the chastening of the Lord,
nor faint when you are reproved by him;
For whom the Lord loves, he chastens,
and scourges every son whom he receives."
It is for discipline that you endure. God deals with you as with children, for what son is there whom his father doesn't discipline? But if you are without discipline, of which all have been made partakers, then are you ILLEGITIMATE, and not children. Furthermore, we had the fathers of our flesh to chasten us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much rather be in subjection to the Father of spirits, and live? For they indeed, for a few days, punished us as seemed good to them; but he for our profit, that we may be partakers of his holiness.  All chastening seems for the present to be not joyous but grievous; yet afterward it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been exercised thereby. Therefore lift up the hands that hang down and the feeble knees, and make straight paths for your feet, so what is lame may not be dislocated, but rather be healed. "

Pauls letter to the Hebrews chapter 12 verses 1-13


Note the word "chasten" in this case if the greek word Paideia. Greek scholars used this word A LOT to define how god CORRECTS bad behavior in the dreaded "underworld" many christians just call "Hell"

http://www.romancatholicism.org/clement-apokatastasis.html



The Hebrew equivalent is Musar by the way!

http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Meditations/Musar/musar.html



If god DOES NOT correct you, that means you are the Greek word Nothos or the Hebrew word Mamzer

https://israelect.com/reference/WillieMartin/Bastard%20%5BA%5D.htm



Basicly a mixed mongrel! In classic Hebrew this was a mark of great shame and most of all DISGUST! LATER they just made it stand for "illegitimate child"

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So...prepare for a good ass WHOOPING!!!

[Tom]

I don't agree with this.

"The "bible" speaks of HELL! A fierry underworld rulerd over by DEMONS! Also known as TARTAROS!"

That Greek word is only used once (2 Peter 2:4) for the dark bondage of sinning messengers.

I disagree with this too.

"So...wich one is correct...Jesus or the "bible" You must decide!"

You are combining the parable with "Gehenna" which is a real geographical location, a ravine outside the city wall of Jerusalem, where the corpses of executed criminals will be burned as they were in the past. (Isaiah 66:23,24)

"Gehenna" is not "hell," and "Tartarus" is not "hell." Only "hades" is "hell."

I don't agree with this either.

"Jesus says that if you even LOOK at ANOTHER MANS WOMAN in that way, then you have ALREADY comited ADULTERY and should therefor be PUT TO DEATH BY STONING!"

I think they only got stoned if they committed it for real.

I don't agree with this either.

"You know...according to the bible even RACE MIXING is technicly a SIN!"

I know the Jews have been spoken of as a "race," and they were not to associate with those who they were actually supposed to destroy but decided to mingle with instead. But I think the phrase "RACE MIXING" is used today to oppress some people unjustly. As far as I'm concerned, there's only one race, and that's the human race, but I know others will disagree. We all came from Adam and Eve even though some folks have darker skin than others.

I disagree with this too.

"You call it "America" You call it a "great society" But the BIBLE calls it an ABOMONIATION!"

I must have missed the part where scripture says America is an abomination. I guess that's because America wasn't around when scripture was written.

This is more racist nonsense.

"Got created the races to be separate and unique! Not the be FORECULLY MIXED and mingled together based on mens laws, passions, traditions, or IDEALS!"

God created all mankind from the same two people. He drove them apart at Babel by changing their language, but then he saved mankind through eight souls during the flood from which we get everybody on the planet now. I think genetic mutations and environment contributed to certain characteristics becoming dominant in various groups, but we're all still the same human race from the same two people. Nobody came from monkeys with some not evolving as much as others as the racists would like us to believe. That's the lie of the atheist religion called Darwinism. God created mankind. DNA is the code of life that God put in every human being. DNA can only come from DNA. Where did the first DNA come from? If you think it came from space aliens, where did their DNA come from? The source of all is God, and God loves all mankind which is why God is the savior of all mankind. You're no better than anybody else just because you're white or Jewish or somebody who goes to church. Believers were chosen from before the disruption of the world not based on anything we've done or our skin color. So we're only blessed with faith for eonian life in Christ by a gift from God.

I agree that homosexuality is sin just like other sexual sin and all sin, but that's not why gay people go to "hell." Even Jesus Christ went to "hell." Everybody that dies goes to "hell" because "hell" is simply the unseen state of dead souls. It is not "Tartarus" or "Gehenna" or "the lake of fire" or "the furnace of fire" in your parable. "Hell" is the Old English word translated in the King James Version from the Greek "hades," literally "unseen," the "unseen" state of dead souls.

[jabcat]

JonesHenry, your post is outside the bounds of the TM guidelines in several different areas.  Not necessarily the topic per se, but much of the content particulars and tone.   We discuss many things here, and although much of what you say is worth discussing, still generally, the tone of it is just not in good taste.  We just prefer to not say things like this "Wich of this can you not understand you self righteous BIGGOT!? You cursed HELLMONGER! How much arrogance actually fits into that PUNY shrinking head of yours? Why must we go through over these SAME THINGS over and over again?".  In essence, name calling, insulting, in this passage and elsewhere in the post.  Also, we DISCUSS, not argue, force, or threaten.

Much of what you've written prior to this is appropriate, useful, beneficial, etc., so I'm not sure where this particular post came from, but I've locked this thread and would ask that you review the forum guidelines if need be before moving forward.  Thanks, James.