Errors of faith?

[jbertonbounds]

I recently came across this quote:

"The errors of faith are better than the best thoughts of unbelief."

Is it true?

[bushy]

I'm probably not as smart as whoever made that quote. But if the errors of faith are believing things that are false they aren't worth anything. But maybe the errors of faith are just not understanding things clearly and that is better than rejecting the truth. If our faith is in God we can't go wrong and that is not based on how much we know and understand about what is true or not. We just trust in the heart of God, like in another thread.

[jbertonbounds]

I agree. It would certainly have to depend on what the errors are. For us on this forum, there are some pretty big errors of faith out there in the mainstream churches. Yet, still they have faith in God as their Father, and faith in Jesus as their savior. They do try to live by God's precepts in general.

However, it is obvious just how horribly the Muslim faith has gone wrong in the world today. That certainly is not better than no faith at all.

[WhiteWings]

Error of faith = unbelief.

It's as simple as that, because the error means the person doesn't believe in the real thing.

Just like unbelieve rejects God, so does error of faith because it believe in a none existing God.

[sheila]

IDK....is believing a lie ..the same as unbelief in truth?....a little evil[lie,deception] spoils much good[truth]

   they know not their right hand from their left....

   Jesus said 'if I had not come and spoken to them,they would have no sin"

   seems hearing the truth and rejecting it..is worse then being deceived in ignorance..having never heard the truth

    then we also have an example in scripture of some-one declaring the gospel..but without accurate knowledge....who

   was helped.

   the Holy spirit will lead into all truth as it pertains to Christ.......so what went wrong in Christendom? did they reject Holy spirit

  in favour of doctrines of men? some cases..I think yes. But what about God/Christ revealing things only in their time.....

  what if the Mystery of God being revealed is only to be revealed on God's timetable? Then how could we fault those

who did not understand? that day and hour no one knows but the Father.


   I DO NOT BELIEVE GOD IS LIKE A LOT OF THOSE CHURCHES OUT THERE SAY....there was a time..when I did not know God..

  and they said,come go with us..Here is your god..this is what he is/like us..if you are not like us..you are condemned eternally.

   cursed of Him.........But,then He manifest Himself to me..and revealed himself to me..and I come to know Him in truth......

   and when you come to know Him..you are not misled by those who say they know Him,but lie.


...and those that know their God...............let no man boast,except that they know the One,True, God.....

    the truth shall set you free...you shall not be taken into captivity[the churches are the ties that bind] error/tares...

....first bind up the tares in bundles...for burning[consumed with breath of His coming/truth devours their lies] then.....

  gather my wheat into the barn.

        we would have healed,Babylon.............[better to dwell in a corner on the roof/do not go back down to get your garment]=

       garment of praise of men/Babylon/the Father will clothe you/the praise that comes from God.

        come out of her my people.  Babylon[confusion/tougnes/nations=all the different doctrines/belief systems/contrary

   to one another=contentious woman]   then the people's language would be changed to a 'PURE" speech..LOVE/TRUTH

    LOVE/TRUTH IS UNDERSTOOD IN ANY LANGUAGE...Truth/a savior is born/God is reconciling all men/God is not counting

  men's trespasses against them/God has concluded all men under sin..and is showing mercy /grace unto all...just as all

men have bore the image of the corrupt one,so,too,shall all bear the image of the incorrupt one.

[WhiteWings]

seems hearing the truth and knowing it's the truth and rejecting it..is worse then being deceived in ignorance..having never heard the truth

I would add the red part..... because rejecting the truth out of ignorance isn't rejection on purpose.

[jbertonbounds]

IDK....is believing a lie ..the same as unbelief in truth?....a little evil[lie,deception] spoils much good[truth]

   they know not their right hand from their left....

   Jesus said 'if I had not come and spoken to them,they would have no sin"

   seems hearing the truth and rejecting it..is worse then being deceived in ignorance..having never heard the truth

    then we also have an example in scripture of some-one declaring the gospel..but without accurate knowledge....who

   was helped.

   the Holy spirit will lead into all truth as it pertains to Christ.......so what went wrong in Christendom? did they reject Holy spirit

  in favour of doctrines of men? some cases..I think yes. But what about God/Christ revealing things only in their time.....

  what if the Mystery of God being revealed is only to be revealed on God's timetable? Then how could we fault those

who did not understand? that day and hour no one knows but the Father.


   I DO NOT BELIEVE GOD IS LIKE A LOT OF THOSE CHURCHES OUT THERE SAY....there was a time..when I did not know God..

  and they said,come go with us..Here is your god..this is what he is/like us..if you are not like us..you are condemned eternally.

   cursed of Him.........But,then He manifest Himself to me..and revealed himself to me..and I come to know Him in truth......

   and when you come to know Him..you are not misled by those who say they know Him,but lie.


...and those that know their God...............let no man boast,except that they know the One,True, God.....

    the truth shall set you free...you shall not be taken into captivity[the churches are the ties that bind] error/tares...

....first bind up the tares in bundles...for burning[consumed with breath of His coming/truth devours their lies] then.....

  gather my wheat into the barn.

        we would have healed,Babylon.............[better to dwell in a corner on the roof/do not go back down to get your garment]=

       garment of praise of men/Babylon/the Father will clothe you/the praise that comes from God.

        come out of her my people.  Babylon[confusion/tougnes/nations=all the different doctrines/belief systems/contrary

   to one another=contentious woman]   then the people's language would be changed to a 'PURE" speech..LOVE/TRUTH

    LOVE/TRUTH IS UNDERSTOOD IN ANY LANGUAGE...Truth/a savior is born/God is reconciling all men/God is not counting

  men's trespasses against them/God has concluded all men under sin..and is showing mercy /grace unto all...just as all

men have bore the image of the corrupt one,so,too,shall all bear the image of the incorrupt one.

:thumbsup:

[micah7:9]

Errors of faith come from incorrect or bad teaching :2c:

[Caffus]

I think it depends on the errors. Only God can know a persons heart completely.  Some who hold on to errors do have a relationship with God. I know, because I've been there.  I could feel Him comfort me when I would cry to Him. I became willing to surrender everything to Him...because of Him, not because of me. And I cried to Him for a better understanding of Him and He brought me to UR.   :HeartThrob:

[lastpost]

Errors in faith are of the mind of the body

Only the mind of the spirit
Straightens crooked things
Removes bars erected by limitation of shadows

The releasing of fear to self
In desire for the whole world
In spite of complaining scribes
Who have completed God's revelation
Who bar the Loving Saviour
Who cause the child to tremble
Who prevent leaping from boat
To Him who is Spirit
He who is unfolded in history
He who makes Himself plain
He who frees from letters once current
He who is Love

[rosered]

I think it depends on the errors. Only God can know a persons heart completely.  Some who hold on to errors do have a relationship with God. I know, because I've been there.  I could feel Him comfort me when I would cry to Him. I became willing to surrender everything to Him...because of Him, not because of me. And I cried to Him for a better understanding of Him and He brought me to UR.   :HeartThrob:

   Nice  post  Caffus ,  AMEN !! Same here as well  !    :dsunny:
I do believe in prayer and you ask Him    He will do  as He says ..

Matt 7  ask seek and knock   , this is what we are asking and doing  like  little children 


...9"Or what man is there among you who, when his son asks for a loaf, will give him a stone?


10"Or if he asks for a fish, he will not give him a snake, will he?


11"If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give what is good to those who ask Him!

Luke says Holy Spirit
  the fruits of the Spirit  [Holy Spirit ]    is also  a teacher  and comforter  :HeartThrob:

[Caffus]

Thank you rosered...and the Holy Spirit of our God will speak to the hearts of any man anytime He chooses to do so.  And God can work though our prayers for them just as much, sometimes even more than our words.  We need to listen to Him speak when He asks us to, pray without ceasing and remain humble when persecuted. We need not to feel we must defend ourselves God is with us always.  :HeartThrob:

[rosered]

 :thumbsup:

So True Caffus!!   Amen  :HeartThrob:

[Dandelion]

...10but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. 11When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things. 12For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known.... 1 Corinthians 13: 10 - 12

I tend to use this quote a lot, but I do think it applies here. I believe we all have erroneous beliefs and theological premises. In this fallen world, I don't think we can see clearly. Our original sin, and our personal sins, multiplied then by those of our fellow brothers and sisters, who surround us and influence us, skews our thinking and believing. This creates an environment in which we don't accept the teaching of the Spirit, fully, because of our doubts; predjuces; lies we believe, hidden agendas and on and on.

I believe God does look at our hearts, and if we are sincerely seeking Him, despite all of the above, we will find Him. Faith and trust will guide us through the muck, and lead us to Him. His light will still shine and it will be our guide, through the darkness.

So, I do agree with the statement.

[eaglesway]

 :iagree: :iagree:

[Dandelion]

 :thanks:

[Patinak]

Well said, Dandelion! :thumbsup:

[ed]

I recently came across this quote:

"The errors of faith are better than the best thoughts of unbelief."

Is it true?

It is easy to see that some errors not better then no faith.

On a deeper level, I agree with the quote as well.  It shows that faith gets maintinanced by our own error.  God allows us to be in error so we can see it, and make changes.  God still inspires us even though we are in error on some issues.  God works in ET, ED, and UR believer just the same.  I've found that universal reconciliation is the best concerning the results of faith.  I was in all three camps at one time or another.  ET for a shot period, ED for a good part of my adult life, and UR for about 15 years now.  Allowing faith to grow and change is a wonderful part of the human experience.

God drags us along.

:praise:

[Lazarus Short]

Errors of faith?  What, like the Spanish Inquisition?!  They wiped out the Spanish protestants so throughly that history barely remembers that Spain ever had a protestant.  Unbelief may well have been better than that.

[eaglesway]

A confusion of terms comes into play.


Those who murder in the name of faith are truly unbelievers, because faith has substance, it comes by"hearing the word of God", so it does not go about murdering and persecuting- faith works by love

[Tom]

The word "faith," from the Greek "pistis," literally "belief," is the noun for "believe." I think all who believe Jesus Christ died for our sins, was entombed, and roused from the dead are believers even if most don't understand that creation and reconciliation have the same scope.

"Faith is an assumption of what is being expected, a conviction concerning matters which are not being observed. " (Hebrews 11:1)

http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheEvangel/BelievingAndUnderstanding.html

[eaglesway]

I am not disagreeing with that but, what of those who said "Lord, Lord, didnt we prophesy amd cast out demons in your name?

He says , Depart from me....etc.

Seems to me they would qualify as believers under the definition you gave, but yet, they were unfruitful ones at least, and they received judgment for their hypocrisy.

Puts a bit of awe and reverence into a person, thats for sure.

[Tom]

I think the scripture mentioned refers to false prophets that will be excluded from the kingdom of the heavens in Israel when Christ's rules in the next eon, but those in the ecclesia, the body of Christ, will be saved as through fire when our unworthy works are burned up causing us to forfeit wages at the dais of Christ.

""Not everyone saying to Me 'Lord! Lord!' will be entering into the kingdom of the heavens, but he who is doing the will of My Father Who is in the heavens. Many will be declaring to Me in that day, 'Lord! Lord! Was it not in Your name that we prophesy, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name do many powerful deeds?' And then shall I be avowing to them that 'I never knew you! Depart from Me, workers of lawlessness!'" (Matthew 7:21-23)

"According to the grace of God which is being granted to me, as a wise foreman I lay a foundation, yet another is building on it. Yet let each one beware how he is building on it. For other foundation can no one lay beside that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone is building on this foundation gold and silver, precious stones, wood, grass, straw, each one's work will become apparent, for the day will make it evident, for it is being revealed by fire. And the fire, it will be testing each one's work--what kind it is. If anyone's work will be remaining which he builds on it, he will get wages. If anyone's work shall be burned up, he will forfeit it, yet he shall be saved, yet thus, as through fire." (1 Corinthians 3:10-15)

"For all of us must be manifested in front of the dais of Christ, that each should be requited for that which he puts into practice through the body, whether good or bad." (2 Corinthians 5:10)

I'm reminded of the video prophecy that was just posted yesterday and of experiencing prophecies in church when I was hanging out with some charismatic folks for awhile up in the mountains. I'm even thinking of other so called prophets I've been aware of through the years. These days I think many of the gifts of the spirit have been abrogated due to maturity of the body, but faith, expectation, and love remain. And one day faith and expectation will no longer be necessary, but love will always remain. The point is that spiritual manifestations are not always by holy spirit even though many may think so. The popular slaying in the spirit seen performed by TV evangelists isn't scriptural and is actually what's done in African voodoo ritual. I think it was possibly imported through the Azusa Street Revival. All manifestations of the spirit are not of God. I think we need to be well aware of what is truth and be discerning because Satan's method of operation is deception, and he's very adept at it. Most people seem to be conned by the Hollywood stereotype of Satan, but I think he comes at us through those we trust and institutions masquerading as representing God like churches.

"For such are false apostles, fraudulent workers, being transfigured into apostles of Christ. And no marvel, for Satan himself is being transfigured into a messenger of light. It is no great thing, then, if his servants also are being transfigured as dispensers of righteousness--whose consummation shall be according to their acts." (2 Corinthians 11:13-15)

"Now it occurred, at our going to prayer, a certain maid, having a python spirit, meets us, who afforded a vast income to her masters, divining. She, following after Paul and us, cried, saying, 'These men are slaves of God most high, who are announcing to you a way of salvation!' Now this she did on many days. Now Paul, being exasperated and turning about, said to the spirit, 'I am charging you, in the name of Jesus Christ, to be coming out from her!' And it came out the same hour." (Acts 16:16-18)

"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see if they are of God, for many false prophets have come out into the world." (1 John 4:1)

http://concordant.org/expohtml/SpiritualEndowments/index.html

[ed]

The word "faith," from the Greek "pistis," literally "belief," is the noun for "believe." I think all who believe Jesus Christ died for our sins, was entombed, and roused from the dead are believers even if most don't understand that creation and reconciliation have the same scope.

"Faith is an assumption of what is being expected, a conviction concerning matters which are not being observed. " (Hebrews 11:1)

http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheEvangel/BelievingAndUnderstanding.html

It amazes me how much we can have wrong regarding faith, and Christ is still faithful to us.

There is no number one thing that you must believe..............we all falter in belief.  At times I flip into a "maybe this is all  bs" mode.........................Christ is faithful to me, when I'm not faithful to him.

Awesome really.

[Lazarus Short]

It amazes me how much we can have wrong regarding faith, and Christ is still faithful to us.

There is no number one thing that you must believe..............we all falter in belief.  At times I flip into a "maybe this is all  bs" mode.........................Christ is faithful to me, when I'm not faithful to him.

Awesome really.

Jesus is faithful to you, and to all of us, because He knows that He will get us all lined out in His good time.