going to heaven

Started by cranny, August 26, 2014, 09:43:29 AM

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cranny

what is the requirement for going to heaven if everyone is going their anyway? how can I witness to a person on how to get to heaven when they are going there anyway? if a person asks me how they can go to heaven ,what can I say?

ed

Going to heaven is an every day experience.  We go to the unseen in faith.   We believe that heaven is within us.  Entering into the kingdom is walking with Jesus Christ.  The future is not talked about as going to heaven.  It is talked about as "the resurrection".  All will be raised.  The process that takes place after the raising is often what is debated.

Just my way of thinking.  Whenever I read heaven in the Bible, I think it is talking about a present spiritual reality.






micah7:9

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Where in the Bible does it teach going to heaven? :Chinscratch: I'm chuckling, somehow I accidentally stopped on kenneth copeland and he said, ' of course heaven is a place, it's round like a planet it's up there, so it has to be a place.'
Now this man reaches many people and no one questions his teaching, that's amazing. :Peace2:

Shev

Quote from: cranny on August 26, 2014, 09:43:29 AM
what is the requirement for going to heaven if everyone is going their anyway? how can I witness to a person on how to get to heaven when they are going there anyway? if a person asks me how they can go to heaven ,what can I say?

Hello Cranny,

One can witness that Jesus Christ has made atonement for the sins of the entire world, and everyone is going to eventually be formed into His image, as all things become subject to Him. Being formed into His image is not an easy, painless thing, but an uncomfortable, difficult process that has a high cost, as our ego and carnality is destroyed by His cleansing fire within.

One thing I would be bold to always state is that the good news is about Jesus Christ, and it is good to always keep the focus on Him, and what He has done and is doing, rather than the individual person. We don't witness "where we are going", but "who we are becoming"...

Grace and peace!


Jason76

Everybody will eventually go to heaven.  But why go in a hundred or a thousand years (cause of the corrective lake of fire), when you can go now?  Plus, as stated in another post, the lake of fire is terrible.  We should warn others, so they avoid it.

eaglesway

Everyone will eventually be reconciled to God. I personally think that as regards the lake of fire, time may not be an issue- I rather think it is about intensity and may be over in a moment, in a twinkling of an eye. After all, how long does it take to cut off a hand or pluck out and eye? Not long, if the right tools are used. The light/fire of God("God is light and in Him there is no darkness at all";Our God is a consuming fire")
is the right tool for "bringing every hidden thing to light". :o)
The Logos is complete, but it is not completely understood. http://www.hell-is-a-myth.webs.com/

sheila

especially if He is using laser lights!  :gimmefive:

eaglesway

His laser?

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.

Rev 1:14 His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire. 15 His feet were like burnished bronze, when it has been made to glow in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters. 16 In His right hand He held seven stars, and out of His mouth came a sharp two-edged sword; and His face was like the sun shining in its strength.

YEAH!  :friendstu:
The Logos is complete, but it is not completely understood. http://www.hell-is-a-myth.webs.com/

Lazarus Short

Heaven is not a place we can go to in the here-and-now.  The journey there lies more in time, as we wait on the Lord.  The journey lies even more in becoming conformed to Christ.

I see the Kingdom of Heaven as more like the JW vision of it than the harp-on-a-cloud version.
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

YHVH = Behold the Nail, Behold the Hand = Jesus

micah7:9

Quote from: Lazarus Short on August 27, 2014, 04:19:04 PM
Heaven is not a place we can go to in the here-and-now.  The journey there lies more in time, as we wait on the Lord.  The journey lies even more in becoming conformed to Christ.

I see the Kingdom of Heaven as more like the JW vision of it than the harp-on-a-cloud version.


Don't know or care to know the JW vision but "Heaven is not a place we can go to in the here-and-now.  The journey there lies more in time, as we wait on the Lord.  The journey lies even more in becoming conformed to Christ."
  :iagree:

rosered



the Kingdom of God
  Kingdom of Heaven is   His ,   peace , joy and the Holy Spirit   [ for me heaven ,    a state of being in Christ  more fully ]
"I have spoken these things to you so that you shall have peace in me. You shall have suffering in the world, but take heart, I have overcome the world."
John  15 :11
"I have spoken these things with you that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be perfect."
And he has sealed us and he has given the down payment of his Spirit into our hearts.!!
Jesus is the reward  !!