Ancient Meaning Of Evil, From the Creators' Language

[gregoryfl]

I like the "dis-jointed" because to me, it's all a matter of being "dis jointed" from God who is both Life and Perfection.. so to be dis jointed from God/Life/Perfection is to be imperfect, the opposite of Life, hence the unveiling/truth-revealed when collapse (called apocalypse) occurs, for this is the unavoidable Truth he is teaching - good from evil/life from death and that wander away from Him/Life cannot be done, but would simply end in a self destructive puff of smoke and dust and ashes.. utter collapse/apocalypse.. death, fading..

"If you then being evil.." (imperfect, disjointed from God, "ra") Jesus said (and "Know how to give good gifts to your children..")
         :smile: :hiya:

Amen Marie, and another thing to go along with that is, something disjointed can be jointed again, by the Great Physician.  :banana: This is the concrete ancient meaning of תוב 'good', to 'insert'.

Ronen

[gregoryfl]

Seed house. Beautiful.

"Acts 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.

Acts 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church(seed house :) daily such as should be saved.

:cloud9: Reminds me of gathering into the storehouse...... :thumbsup:

Awesome! These are definitely glimpses into what the Creator had in mind when he spoke of (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/na.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/ho.png). So can you see any connection between this and another word that contains the same letters?

Psa 34:7  (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/mo.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/tse.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/lu.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/ho.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/ye.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/wu.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/na.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/ye.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/ah.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/re.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/ye.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/lu.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/bo.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/ye.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/bo.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/sa.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/he.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/wu.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/he.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/ye.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/ke.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/ah.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/lu.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/mo.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/he.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/na.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/ho.png)

The angel of Yahweh encamps around those who fear him, and delivers them.
(Psa 34:7)

The first word is (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/he.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/na.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/ho.png), which is a feminine form of the word. What word is it, and how does it relate to everything shared so far?

Ronen

[WhiteWings]

I like the "dis-jointed"

Makes me thing of the Latin meaning of religion. Rejoining. Ligament is also what ties/hold the bones together. Unfortunately, I don't know the English name for it. Certainly not at 3:24am  :lazy:

[joeteekay]

Ok, let's look at grace. The word is (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/na.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/ho.png).

The first letter (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/ho.png) is a picture of a two tent wall panels.

The second letter (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/na.png) is a picture of a sprouted seed.

Here are my first two questions.

What is the purpose of a tent wall, which they would have lived in? Or for today, think of the walls of a home, what do they do?

What is the purpose of a seed that has sprouted?

We will go from there. I want you do discover this for yourself so bear with me.  :thumbsup:

Ronen

seed = holy spirit
tent  = tablernacle

2Pe_1:13  Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance;
2Pe_1:14  Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me.

[WhiteWings]

Ok, let's look at grace. The word is (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/na.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/ho.png).

The first letter (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/ho.png) is a picture of a two tent wall panels.

The second letter (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/na.png) is a picture of a sprouted seed.

Here are my first two questions.

What is the purpose of a tent wall, which they would have lived in? Or for today, think of the walls of a home, what do they do?

What is the purpose of a seed that has sprouted?

We will go from there. I want you do discover this for yourself so bear with me.  :thumbsup:

Ronen

I see it as a womb. But also a bridal suite.

[gregoryfl]

Thanks guys for your replies. What I am researching with this language is to find a consistent pattern with regard to the meaning of the letters, and how they relate to one another in defining a word. What I am currently patterning in my translating work and word research is to see the letters functioning the same way that Hebrew grammar does. So, for example, with a 2 letter root, such as (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/na.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/ho.png), I know that in Hebrew, verbs typically preceed the noun or object. In other words, the action comes first, then the one doing the action next, which of course is the opposite in English.

So when I see the (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/ho.png) it functions to wall off space, one away from the other. For example, a tent wall divides outside away from inside. A wall in a home might divide a bathroom away from a bedroom, etc. As the first letter in this word, it functions as a verb, so for me, that action is 'wall'. The second letter is a sprout, and a sprout continues onward what came before it, meaning whatever plant it came from. It speaks of the continuing onward of life. So in this case, being the second letter, I see it functioning as a noun, a 'sprout'.

Put together, as I understand it, any word that contains the root (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/na.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/ho.png) has something to do with walling a sprout, putting a wall around life, and further to expand the concept, to protect and shelter that sprout, or life. And, true to form, this is exactly what an encampment is. That encampment is a concrete picture of all that grace is about. Joe and Tony, as you can see, when you think about it, both of your expressions 'holy spirit tabernacle' and 'womb', although different words and concept, are related and fit the pattern.

[WhiteWings]

Ronen, you explanation makes me think of this verse:

Job 1:10 "Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land.

The hedge=wall actively protected Job=sprout from satan.
In that verse the wall is the blessing itself.


PS can you also start a thread about life?

[sheila]

what about tabernacle..with sectioning off HOH?   Jesus called/sprout/branch.........take away

wall/curtain of seperation.  also..a pattern of sectioned off area in a 'house/tent' etc reminds me

of the bridal suite prepared/nuptial chamber..in the Father's house.

[gregoryfl]

what about tabernacle..with sectioning off HOH?   Jesus called/sprout/branch.........take away

wall/curtain of seperation.  also..a pattern of sectioned off area in a 'house/tent' etc reminds me

of the bridal suite prepared/nuptial chamber..in the Father's house.

Yes Sheila, I can see that as a valid nuance of meaning. :)

[eaglesway]

Also, seed and womb. Like the rings of an archery target, these thoughts get closer and closer to the core. Christ as seed, creation as womb.

In the beginning the earth was without form and void, and the Spirit hovered over the waters. Then God said, "Let there be light!".

Luke 1:31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over Jacob's descendants forever; his kingdom will never end."

34 "How will this be," Mary asked the angel, "since I am a virgin?"

35 The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come on you,(Sprit hovering over the waters) and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God(Let there be Light!").

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

2 Cor 4: 5 For what we preach is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus' sake. 6 For God, who said, "Let light shine out of darkness(seed)," made his light shine in our hearts(tent) to give us the light of the knowledge of God's glory displayed in the face of Christ.

7 But we have this treasure in jars of clay(seed tent) to show that this all-surpassing power is from God and not from us.

1 Peter 1:22 Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for each other, love one another deeply, from the heart. 23 For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. 24 For,

"All people are like grass,
    and all their glory is like the flowers of the field;
the grass withers and the flowers fall,
25     but the word of the Lord endures forever."

[joeteekay]

what about tabernacle..with sectioning off HOH?   Jesus called/sprout/branch.........take away

wall/curtain of seperation.  also..a pattern of sectioned off area in a 'house/tent' etc reminds me

of the bridal suite prepared/nuptial chamber..in the Father's house.

The outer court. gentiles, those not called

III

Tent or tabernacle with two partitions as Ronen displayed

Then the Holy place - those called,
Then the Holy of Holies - the chosen, the Elect

:2c:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Also reminds me of the earthen pitcher with a torch in it. The earthen vessel/veil rent, light no longer contained but revealed and more than that, conjoined to the "other" lights as one, once the "veils" are all rent. Blessings...

[WhiteWings]

Bex, as I understand Ronen that's the exact opposite of the word picture.
If the word picture is about a pitcher(wall) with light(seed) it's not about light breaking free but a the pitcher restraining it. Or protecting it if you wish.

The wall is the verb, so has the action like restraining or protecting. The light is the noun. If the light would break free the seed picture has to be the verb, first 'letter' of the word.

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/ho.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/na.png)

Is that correct Ronen?

/EDIT I wonder what the reversed word means.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I understand that, but I was seeing "ahead" of the process, just like the child doesn't stay in the womb forever. Blessings....

[sheila]

 what happens when the noun becomes active? like in Genesis  Joseph is a vine[sprout] that

climbs over a wall.......

[lastpost]

A couple of pictures come to mind regarding GRACE as tent wall panels and a sprouted seed, if I may be permitted to share the general drift:

1) Tent Wall Panels And Sprouted Seed As Christ Amongst Humanity

Christ comes among a people [who had been separated out by the Supreme and Almighty God] and who should follow a law, according to His design. The Grace of Christ sprouts in that people.

As Grace is given in abundance (and the healthy sprouting seed is alive and living), people outside of the separated people also receive Grace, and the separation which was required in the earliest nurturing stages to educate about sin and righteousness is no longer needed: "because, by works of law, no flesh at all shall be justified in His sight, for through law is the recognition of sin" (Rom. 3:20); it becomes a stumbling block for those turning to look behind instead of marching upwards and onwards in faith, with Christ leading the train: "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believeth" (Rom. 10:4). "Exempted from Christ were you who are being justified in law. You fall out of grace. For we, in spirit, are awaiting the expectation of righteousness by faith" (Gal.5:4,5).

Wonderfully, according to His pleasure, the tiny sprouting seed can grow and grow to fullness - because of His Grace. Glory be to God!

Peace.

2) Tent Wall Panels And Sprouted Seed As The Spirit Given By The Father of Spirits

The spirit with the manifold blessings of Grace, grows towards the Light according to the season, from the smallest green shoot into a beautiful child of God; the child is revealed before the Perfection of Christ, and the full import for the need for the Saviour is seen bringing fullness of gratitude and humility.

For such: "God is He, not of the dead, but of the living, for all, to Him, are living" (Luke 20:38). Their souls thirsted for God: "for the living God" (Psalms 42:2). "He who is believing in Me, even if he should be dying, shall be living. And everyone who is living and believing in Me, should by no means be dying for the eon. Are you believing this?" (John 11: 25,26 - Concordant Literal Version).

The spirit without the walls of protection, guidance and manifold blessings of Grace, does not sprout towards the Light but instead is stunted in the darkness and cannot abide the Light of Christ; the darkness brings a suffering and remorse to be worked out in a misery which is profound.

Such as these sought and were satisfied with the gods and treasures that this world had to offer; they do not benefit from Grace nor can they abide in Christ: "Such a person feeds on ashes; a deluded heart misleads him" (Isaiah 44:20). For such as these, God is not the Living God.

Not wishing to finish on a sad note, this is why the redemption of ALL is such a beautiful Divine Purpose - The Beautiful Divine Purpose. He has ordained it, and it cannot fail because of His Grace. We care for the redemption of others above all else.

Peace in His Grace.

[sheila]

 your post brought to mind Job's travail..and his repenting in dust and ashes.  Began hedged around..all

  that he possessed in this world,flocks,children,position,health/physical blessings.. 'righteous".then lost when the

hedge was removed....and he 'obscured counsel without knowledge/darkness"

   yet,he knew...my redeemer lives........  he had heard about him..but now he saw him...and repented.

    in dust and ashes....a branch that grows over the protective wall..will face adversity...necessary for growth

[eaglesway]

Ronen, What u Have presented in these posts is immensely interesting and edifying. Where would I begin if I wanted to look into these studies?

[joeteekay]

I have the same question as EW. Edifying and intriguing stuff Ronen.

:iagree:

[gregoryfl]

Ronen, What u Have presented in these posts is immensely interesting and edifying. Where would I begin if I wanted to look into these studies?

Here are some places I started with:

http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/ Full of free resources. I cut my teeth here before moving on with my own research.
http://www.joinedtohashem.org/sh/PictogramLesson.pdf
http://www.hallelu-yah.nl/Early-Semitic.pdf

There are several differing thoughts taught concerning how this all is put together, so as you read, you will find differing opinions, but at least it will get you thinking on your own as you become more familiar with the letters and in thinking on how they are put in any given word.

The premise I am working with is that of a consistent pattern throughout each word, and each letter. While I am all for spiritual meanings and other further depths and levels being explored, I believe that there is a base understanding that must not be ignored, and it is that base that I am seeking to discover, if one even exists. For example, I used to think עולם meant 'eternal', simply because my strong's told me so, but having studied the letters making up the word, and related words, I can now 'see' what the word means and see it totally different now.

Here are several videos, where I share some of the patterns and connections I am seeing as I study this language. I also go some into what I see as the deeper meanings and implications as well. These go back a ways, so some of what I share I may define slightly different now, as I am continuing to learn.

http://www.youtube.com/user/gregoryfl

There are other sources as well, but you would have to pay for them.

Ronen

[micah7:9]

I, find all this information very good, nice and informative. I like it even though I understand little of all that it says, yet the one thing I was given that caused me to swell with comfort, was that the "garden" in Genesis 1 was  "fenced" was "hedged." And we came out of that. Good.
I am sure it was mentioned in the posts, so I may have missed it, I am sorry.
Still, I find the information from our brother WONDERFUL!
The whole of all the posts for me was/is good informative and eyeopening......we just keep digging! He Is Risen! :dsunny: :HeartThrob:

[joeteekay]

I, find all this information very good, nice and informative. I like it even though I understand little of all that it says, yet the one thing I was given that caused me to swell with comfort, was that the "garden" in Genesis 1 was  "fenced" was "hedged." And we came out of that. Good.
I am sure it was mentioned in the posts, so I may have missed it, I am sorry.
Still, I find the information from our brother WONDERFUL!
The whole of all the posts for me was/is good informative and eyeopening......we just keep digging! He Is Risen! :dsunny: :HeartThrob:

Wonderful to grow in grace and knowledge. Just keep digging.

Mat_13:46  Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

Luk_11:9  And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.

:thumbsup:

[WhiteWings]

I was given that caused me to swell with comfort, was that the "garden" in Genesis 1 was  "fenced" was "hedged." And we came out of that. Good.
I am sure it was mentioned in the posts, so I may have missed it, I am sorry.

The primary meaning of the Hebrew word for garden is a (cultivated) fenced garden. It even looks like the word picture Ronen posted.

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/na.png) Adam and Eve
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/ho.png) The fence around the garden


(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/na.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5638259/ah/ho.png). Adam and Eve within the protection (grace) of the garden.

Looks good, doesn't it? I'm just not so sure we can use the letters like this. Maybe nice to mention is that the root word of garden mean  defend/cover/surround which obviously aligns perfectly with the function of a fence.

[sheila]

..upon reading this thread..it comes to my mind..the distinction between a cultivated and wild..seed./vine.....

    the wild not being contained[your own iniquity will rebuke you[adversity when againstthe will of God]

   ...but yet....there is an adversity expierenced also within the will/direction of God...........

.....and I see two vines entangled[wild/cultivated[tame]..with the wild vine wrapped around the cultivated one.

   now the cultivated one is 'upright' as on a pole within the garden...and the 'wild vine resembled a serpent

coiled around it'[I see the abomination of desolation in the temple/garden/HOH/offspring of vipers sitting in

the seat of Moses.   the wicked encompassing the righteous.....therefore right judgement does not go forth..

     I see the Lord crucified.

  I really like the pictoral letters/language........Genesis 2;19  He brought them to the man to see what he

would name them,and whatever the man would call each living creature,thatwas it's name.Subtil..that

which is not easily observed/elusive

    for God made man upright..but he has sought out many inventions[imaginations]

   Two eagles and a vine...Ezekiel ch 17