the Manchild.....symbol of what?

[soldier7]

I believe the Manchild represents the overcoming remnant of the church.  From
THE LITTLE FLOCK AND THE KINGDOM OF GOD
BY: E. E. BROOKS

"Jesus speaks about two groups of sheep. Jesus is the shepherd of both groups. He also spoke about two
kingdoms, an inward spiritual kingdom and a literal earthly kingdom. Both groups of sheep have access to the
inward spiritual kingdom, but only one group will inherit the physical earthly kingdom. These two subjects are
closely related and intertwined.
Luke 12:32 Fear not. Little Flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the Kingdom.
John 10:14-16 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. As the Father knoweth
me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. And Other Sheep I have. which are Not of
this Fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
(KJV)
Jesus speaks of 2 groups of sheep in John 21, the "Arnions" and the "Probatons" One group are" Rams"
masc., and the others are fem. "Ewes." One flock is the "Manchild" and the other is the "Church." Both groups
belong to Jesus and he loves them both. But we find that of the two flocks of sheep, only the little flock, will
inherit the Kingdom. In Christ All will be made alive, but not all receive the same reward.
John 21:15-17 Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith
unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him. Feed my LAMBS (RAMS - Gr.
Arnions).16 He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him.
Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him. Feed my SHEEP (EWES • Gr. Probatons).17 He
saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto
him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him. Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I
love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my SHEEP (EWES •Gr. Probatons). (KJV)
There are two groups of sheep, one masculine (rams) and the others feminine (ewes). One group is destined
to give birth, and the other is destined to rule and reign on earth. The Hebrew also reflects this difference in
sheep, Kebes (Lamb) and Kibsah (Ewe). In the Old Testament the word Lamb is always a Ram. These 2
groups are also seen in Revelation 12 when the Woman/Church/Ewes gives birth to the
Manchild/Remnant/Rams. The purpose of the church is to bring forth the manchild company, who will
overcome Satan and death."

My spirit was really confirming this message when I first read it.

Love

soldier7

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I like this. And the ram lays down his life for the sheep. Husbands, love your wives as Christ loved the church/sheep, laying down his life for her.  :thumbsup: Blessings....

[donken]

Hello.  There is not an adult or mature grown to full size human being that appears in the earth UNLESS they come by being a little child FIRST.

The image of Christ is seen by us as children in the time of the apostles and through our history in the world for all mankind.  Through a glass darkly, as it says.
Mankind as a human organism of one body, Adam, has to grow up in the knowledge of worldly things such as weather causes, technology, science, evolution, disease, and so on, always moving onward toward actual and true "lordship" over all things earth.  We recall the word in Genesis that mankind is TOLD to be fruitful, and MULTIPLY, and SUBDUE the earth, and REPLENISH IT.  The earth is SUBDUED by being REPLENISHED, as in a waste ground being made into a lovely garden, which results in the waste ground being subdued and no more produce something that is waste or dry or unseemly with prickles and weeds.

Gen 1:28  And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Gen 1:26  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27  So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28  And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

I note also that the bible here says LET MAN have this dominion.  And... it is included in and along with becoming THE IMAGE OF GOD.   This is a parable as well.  We are formed of "the earthen" dust atomically and according to the elements of the world.

So, we begin as a spiritual and carnal minded child, spiritually.  It does say, let us make MAN in the image of God.   When the enmity in our flesh is subdued by and as man grows Spiritually into the maturity of Jesus Christ, the two are made one new man... Jesus Christ.  The flesh is made one with the spirit of eternal life, our true father.   But first is natural.  If we want to really believe the scripture, let us understand that the first dominion is "of man", natural man.  Dominion includes over the fish, disease, weather, etc.  But only as the MAN CHRIST JESUS can mankind ever have that much knowledge and power at his control.  Man can no longer be a murderer and have that power and knowledge, so Jesus Christ must appear "in man" now.  The man of PEACE is the only one allowed to ahve that much physical power in his control.   We note that Jesus said that he comes quickly and his reward is WITH HIM to GIVE TO **EVERY** man as "every man's" WORK SHALL BE.     Please notice it says SHALL BE, not already was etc.  ONLY AFTER the maturity of Jesus Christ appears in mankind as who the adult mankind is will the full dominion over all disease and floods and hurricanes and earthquakes and so on be GIVEN BY GOD.

Jesus said unless we become as a little child, {seeing our selves as such spiritually} we will not be able to enter into the Kingdom of God.  So, just as a human adult must first come as a little child physically and mentally, so to we as Spiritual children of god must understand that we begin as a body of many members by being immature in Christ and as a little child spiritually.  We have been growing up spiritually and mentally and in power and ability in the creation over things of the creation for many times. 
Acts 3 tells us that God will SEND JESUS CHRIST at the TIMES of the restitution of ALL THINGS.  The accomplishment of this is the now appearing Spiritual maturity where the tares are being correctly identified and where they are, so they may NOW be bound.

God bless, ken

[eaglesway]

Clay in the potters hand,
spinning round and round,
comforted with water,
pressed until its shape is found,
then very carefully lifted,
and placed within the kiln,
a vessel made in fire,
in the Master's purpose, bound.

[donken]

Yes.  The Potter is making a big big clay pot, shaving it, watering it, honing it, carving it, and then as it is to be fired to see if there is any flaws yet in it, He climbs inside it Himself.

Ken

[lastpost]

then very carefully lifted

Thank you for this line ew. It seems necessary to include it in order to make known God's delicate tenderness to assure those of His children who may not have noticed their lifting because they were so buffered by the material.

[donken]

Heb 12:5  And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
Heb 12:6  For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7  If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Heb 12:8  But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

This is how the manchild becomes the man.  God is love and Love corrects, evil hurts.   Jesus learned all about evil by enduring it without doing it, which is what showed that he knew who God is and also knew what evil is and what doing it brings into existence.  But no one can do evil without being alive either.  The evil that is greatest is that WE use life that is a gift to us who were non existent to do the evil we do.  That is because we are immature, or "short of the glory of God".  The answer for ending this is to keep us alive and bring us into the same glory that God is.  equal.

God bless, ken

[eaglesway]

then very carefully lifted

Thank you for this line ew. It seems necessary to include it in order to make known God's delicate tenderness to assure those of His children who may not have noticed their lifting because they were so buffered by the material.

Glass people before him
Transparent beings from his own hand
Who can see through glass with eyes of glass?
But the glassblower knows
He sees them there
Glass people,
Handle with care

A slip of the hand and crash
But the glass blower,
He been a long time at his craft
Yea, the glassblower knows
He sees them there
Glass people,
Handle with care.

[donken]

Gal 4:1  Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
Gal 4:2  But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.
Gal 4:3  Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

Pro_29:19  A servant will not be corrected by words: for though he understand he will not answer.

Gal 4:7  Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
Gal 4:8  Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
Gal 4:9  But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
Gal 4:10  Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
Gal 4:11  I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

The man child is a servant, an immature man, the mature man being Jesus Christ.      Paul uses a human growth example as an example of how we are to grow in Spiritual things.
1Co_13:11  When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

We are asked to give our bodies as a LIVING sacrifice.  Turn the other cheek, love those that make or consider themselves your enemies, pray for them, give to those that ask of thee, forgive all men their trespasses against us, etc.   It is our time to "man up".

God bless.  donken

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: It's that and so much more.... :thumbsup:

[donken]

Jesus said that unless we become as a little child we shall in no way enter into the Kingdom of GOD.   What he is saying is that the way we enter the world as a human being, as a baby, child, adult, is the same method we become mature and spiritual adults in the things of God IN US.  A parable.  Without a parable Jesus did not speak it says.  Even the explanation of the parables to the disciples in that day was given as another parable.

The hidden manna that we are to receive if we "overcome the world" is the spiritual understanding of ALL scripture, including the old testament, Moses, and the prophets, etc.  IF we do not hear MOSES, Jesus said, neither will we HEAR Him.   This work hear means to UNDERSTAND THE SPEECH of each.  If we understand and accept that Moses and the prophets taught, walked in, and believed that the spirit of man {the worldly spirit of good AND evil in one package\tree} and that Jesus' witness is only of the Spirit of God that was in him, even while being in the flesh and having the law of sin in his members, we will not be able to enter the door YET.   Only the truth of God becomes THE DOOR and it does not let us in by just knowing that, we have to BE what FITS INTO THE DOOR.

In the wilderness the children of Israel followed a CLOUD.  Natural man, the old man in nature and belief.   We now need to see what kind of water is in each cloud.  Is it spiritually dry in the things of the way, the truth, and the life, or is it full of new wine.

The old testament has deeds and things such as floods and earthquakes and so on going on as well as plagues and wars and so on.   The people of history, not having the knowledge yet of the things we do today about how these things are caused, just naturally as babies thought that God did everything and was ALREADY RULING HERE.  When the "rod" is in Moses' hand the waters {scripture} is made blood, or the spirit of natural man.  Blood is the life of the flesh.

That is why if we do not really understand what spirit the old testament presents as God, we will not be able to hear JESUS ONLY and be able to separate the wheat from among the tares which are both naturally in man at his human birth.

I sincerely and truly mean this.  Today, this time in the world, this year, is when the resurrection will be enlivened.  Christ IN YOU as who we are, but not without agreement about who we are to be and how we are to put the enmity of the flesh lusts under the dominion of the Spirit of God in us.  Then we have to walk in the world that way for a while, many members, as the Lord in the creation, the temple that GOD IS IN fully.   AFTER we have endured for a while, scripture says, God shall strengthen and enable us.

It is only after Jesus Christ, the full SPIRIT OF GOD comes that this is able to be done.  After all, the Spirit of God is who Jesus said HE IS, as THE CHRIST.

The scripture tells us all over the place that these things are to be done by the pouring our of God's SPIRIT, not by the seeing of Jesus in the sky or what ever.

Don not say, look ere look there scripture says.  Why not?  Look within for his coming.   Rev. 22:12 says of Jesus... I come quickly {lively} and MY REWARD {the one he has with the father because of his obedient in the world} is with ME, {and he is to} to GIVE every man what their WORK [way, truth, life} SHALL be. 
This passage and other like it do not say ALREADY IS.  Only at the time of the maturity of Christ in us will we really KNOW HIM, because of being so much like him that we are actually spiritually and mentally like He is, HIM.

God bless, ken