Help me make this into love.

[ed]

Some spirits wear me down.

Fighting the doctrine of condemnation that is so prevalent in the Church.

Am I wrong to want to pepper it with love?  Here is a statement from another thread.  My inner being wants to go head to head doctrinally.   Is that my ego?  Is it Christ within?  Should I cease the battling? 

From another thread:

"Revelation 1:7. Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Ready or not Jesus is coming back. He will not hold off forever. Good for those who are waiting for Him. Not well received by those who have neglected their salvation."

[JulieTang84]

Dear Ed,
This is the basis of Jesus's whole ministry: Turning darkness into light.

Luke 6
Love for Enemies

27"But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. 30Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. 31Do to others as you would have them do to you.

32"If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them. 33And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do that. 34And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, expecting to be repaid in full. 35But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. 36Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.

Judging Others

37"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. 38Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

Yes    :HeartThrob:  Jesus is coming back, and pity the soul who was given the light so that others who had no light of their own could see, hid it away instead. So many look down on others for what they lack, when in truth, those that have will be asked of so much more for with the gift of life, we must give life. Not through Scripure alone, but though our new spiritual being, that Father has filled with love.

I truly hope this is where you were headed with this thread.

Love Julie  :HeartThrob:
 

[rosered]

From another thread:

"Revelation 1:7. Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Ready or not Jesus is coming back. He will not hold off forever. Good for those who are waiting for Him. Not well received by those who have neglected their salvation."

Hi Ed , this is not a  bad thing at all , its how you see this

    Jesus come to every man that is drawn   by the   Father  ,  coming in the clouds  just means everyone who has had this happen to them    already and witness to the same   experience   putting you in the clouds with Him   

  every eye shall see him ,     no   natural man can see  Jesus  , its with the Spiritual eye of understanding that we even   SEE  JESUS   at all   and eveyone who   is under conviction   , this happened to me    will mourn for  knowing He died for your sins  making it personal   in that sense       , that His blood is   shed for you   ,  and it wasnt the Jews   who killed Him or the Romans , it was YOU ! HE HAD TO DIE  FOR YOU   , even if you were the only sinner on earth  ,  He would have died for you   alone  ,  this just proves how many times it will happen  over and over again   when one sinner repents !  this is exactly what this verse means   in my opinion

  look at the following verse   that explains it    for those whom  is  happening to them now and those   whom it has already and those whom it still will   happen yet !   
  the Lord is Gathering all things into Himself       no one is exempt !   think about it   in that light  and  it makes perfect sense  :friendstu:

Rev 1:8   I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. 

   Hope this helps you bro  and was clear , I have trouble being  clear   , so many other do a better job of   clarity
  but I just   keep on trying anyways      God bless

[ed]

Julie and rose,

I appreciate the time you have taken to share on this.  I get all wound up and then look, and things seem different.  I'm glad that I held back and allowed you to share.

Ed.

[ed]

Revelation 21:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

A lot of the Book of revelation is a present moment work.  It is what is going on.  The symbolism is often made into something future, when we are in the midst of much of it.

The fire of cleansing is for all.  We Christians are allowing it in our lives now.  The world will allow it in their lives when the Father allows it.  In God's timing.

Making Revelation into a love letter to the world takes spiritual eyes.  The world does not have the eyes to see at this time.  Christians are under a doctrinal cloud that makes them unable to see as well(who me? Yes me as well).   In the end, live up to the gospel of God's love, by being love.

[rosered]

Revelation 21:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

A lot of the Book of revelation is a present moment work.  It is what is going on.  The symbolism is often made into something future, when we are in the midst of much of it.

The fire of cleansing is for all.  We Christians are allowing it in our lives now.  The world will allow it in their lives when the Father allows it.  In God's timing.

Making Revelation into a love letter to the world takes spiritual eyes.  The world does not have the eyes to see at this time.  Christians are under a doctrinal cloud that makes them unable to see as well(who me? Yes me as well).   In the end, live up to the gospel of God's love, by being love.

I am so glad you   went into  some of the details Ed
  the verse  you used  reminds me of  us all right now , we are still mortal   and you could never glorify the flesh  , no good thing in it ever 
but the  thing is its God whom  glorified along with His Son and those gathered into Him , they are hid in Christ Body
  no one can claim  righteousness  , its the Lord Himself who declares this 
anyone boasting you Know he is a liar

Jesus did not glorify Himself , God did
Job never glorified himself GOD did
  it was God who counted Abrahams  works of faith as righteousness    etc , its the pattern 

If you could look at Rev 21 ;10-12  as God being the consuming fire and   devouring all the works of the flesh   and the evil  found in them  , you could see what remains is what is  made and works   of HIM  , it took  awhile to see this  in this way 
but its  Glorifying  God as being God  to me     in total  control  and the Highest .
  Happy your with us here at  the Tent  , God bless

[donken]

Re your first thread.    Argument is self or the human spirit of man.   What the Lord showed me very early, and thankful I am, is that when Jesus said something to the people or the religious leaders and hierarchy of Isreal and they disputed what he said or did not believe it, HE LEFT.  If they asked a question and then they rebuffed the answer, HE LEFT. 

God also showed me about Moses when He came down from the mountain because Israel had made a golden calf {fallen away} while Moses was up in the mountain and when he came down He was ANGRY and that ANGER BROKE THE TEN COMMANDMENTS.   Do you get that?  I learned and agreed that if I was ever angry at the church no matter what they were doing, I was not forgiving and I was not understanding and I was in the dark and doing the works of dark IN MYSELF and TO Myself.  Crucifying Christ IN ME by killing the peace, love, and forgiveness with good wise understanding because of supporting the idea of anger etc.    The spirit of man CAN NOT discern the Spirit of God.   And, Jesus was silent before His accusers.   Keep my words he said and if we can not keep them then keep his example.   Follow Jesus and step into what you believe is him and be correct, and after a bit another step will appear spiritually to you in your understanding.   Step in it for a while and another will appear, depending on how faithfully we support Jesus' way when things are or may be resistant both in us and from others.   Muscle building is in process, Spiritual muscles.  Take it and forgive, and do not be the cause of it either.

Love does not "stalk".   And if love desires to make itself known to someone and they do not want it, love gives that person what they want.  Do not push because ONLY GOD can reveal himself to anyone, in his time.

We read that when his spirit is IN the earth their will not be war any more, even emotional war.

God bless, ken

[sheila]

re; wore out.  Daniel 7;25...he will wear the saints out.   but the court will sit..and his power will be taken away and completely destroyed forever.

   Dan 12;7  when the power of the holy people has finally been broken..then all these things will be completed.

   GOD/JESUS as mighty deliverer's.  Psalms 18;17

[donken]

That Day is already here and taking more and more shape right now.  There is great freedom to share today far more than in the past.

Sometimes, when Israel was defeated, the captors used to put the Kings of Israel under their tables to let them eat of the scraps that fell from the table.  They also used to cut off their thumbs and big toes sometimes.  To cut off the thumb limits the power of the hand to grab and hold and therefore to be able to fight with any hand held weapons very well at all.  Also, the big toes cut off drastically limits one's standing stability and also makes it impossible to run or travel very fast at all.  No push off and no stability.  Thus, four fingers and four toes is a limitation of ability from the natural state of normal mankind.

666 is simply the idea of having strength above and beyond the natural ability of natural man who has five digits normally.  666 is mechanized mankind, and that is all it is.  We are there now and have been for a while.  It is the condition of mankind and his Kingdoms that allows man to do things beyond his own physical bodies limitations, such as fly by airplanes, travel faster than any flesh animal can run through the ability of cars etc.  Man brings fire from heaven, our sky, by rockets and napalm bombs, and so on.  No mysetery to us today although we can understand how those in history could not ever know what they were seeing becuase they were not at all familair with the world as it is now in comparison to the world they themselves were experiencing. 

Therefor they saw all things as "beasts" and as terrible monstrous appearing things to them, when they saw visions of the world in the last days of natural man's dominion.  There are no spiritual bodied demons or devil or any such thing.  We are to have NO FEAR TODAY if we truly trust in God and that God never ever made any demonic angelic bodied beings that do evil, ever.  The enmity is in man because man is spiritually immature.  As we grow up in God today to become Jesus Christ his son, one and all, the bogey men many in history believed in are dissolved away as our darkness {ignoance} about the world fades away becauxe of the Light of Jesus Christ and the coming understanding of the wisdom of God.

Donken

[lastpost]

Accomplished At The Foot Of The Cross...

The Living Flame Of Love
by John [of the Cross]

O living flame of love
that tenderly wounds my soul
in its deepest centre! Since
now you are not oppressive,
now consummate! if it be your will:
tear through the veil of this sweet encounter!

O sweet cautery,
O delightful wound!
O gentle hand! O delicate touch
that tastes of eternal life
and pays every debt!
In killing you changed death to life.

O lamps of fire!
in whose splendours
the deep caverns of feeling,
once obscure and blind,
now give forth, so rarely, so exquisitely,
both warmth and light to their Beloved.

How gently and lovingly
you wake in my heart,
where in secret you dwell alone;
and in your sweet breathing,
filled with good and glory,
how tenderly you swell my heart with love.

[donken]

Nice poem.  Yes, this is a day of light.
As we become the same spiritual maturity of Jesus Christ THE son of God while we are still in our flesh and blood body, the body becomes Jesus' body because that will be who we are in it.  And, it will be the blood of that Body that is the blood of Jesus, who we will then be, and in "that blood or life in the flesh" is what we  are sanctified or perfected in\by\as.

Donken

[lastpost]

While others slept
Love's Angels cheered
The Garden battle raged
Deep red, deep red, is the Blood
Sweet is the Heart of He Who bled

Burdened load shouldered Alone
All others bow their head
There is no Being pure enough
There is no Life so sure enough
Save that Our Saviour Christ

[donken]

Hello Ed.

Re your quote.  "Revelation 1:7. Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Jesus must come FIRST as the SPIRIT OF GOD in full.  Scripture tells us that it is the quickening Spirit, the spirit that quickens, that is the second man, the Lord FROM HEAVEN. {eternity}.

The clouds are Human bodies, on the earth.  The eyes that see him are the eyes of our understanding as Ephesians names it.  We must be SINGLE of eye, meaning as you ask to do, see everything from ONE perspective, that of love which is WHO life is.  The spirit of life is everything that love is.  Life gives itself to things that do not have it, do not have life.  That is what life does.  Gives life to "dead things", things that are not alive at all, such as "stones' etc., dust.  That is the character of life.   That is how the kingdom of GOD, who is love and is eternal life.  Eternal life is everything love is  The kingdom of Go is said to be INCREASED without end.  The increase is and must be and is only able to come FROM and BY GOD.  Only God can give existence to that which does not have life in it's existence, and only God can BE THE INCREASE of the thing being created into eternal life.  The creature {thing being created} is not fully alive yet if it is not like GOD is, like LIFE IS.

Life is LIFE, not having any works, thoughts, ideas, intents, or motives of death in it, except the motive to "slay death". Alive but still able to die is the present state of all things that are not yet ONE WITH GOD.  This is fantastic and how easy to see "if we have the eyes that believe God is only love and LIFE and only does good always"

That is the SINGLE OF EYE that will SEE HIM.  And that eye sees what is in us that SLAYS or is contrary to the SPIRIT OF GOD in man, Jesus Christ as a child.  Our immaturity and the actions of it do not witness Jesus Christ the only mature man God ever forms.  So, who we will be is DEAD in our present immature life style and we witness the old man as if that was the man that God makes.  The old man is the beginning of the vessel that is to become spiritually filled with God as the father of the body, Jesus.

The kindreds of the earth are all the spiritual emotions, ideas, thoughts and things in us that are alive with us as things we are subject to before we are grown up or completed\perfected.  The law of sin in our members is the incomplete or unfinished parts of man that are "of the flesh" condition that man is while still incomplete or immature.  Today we see what causes sickness and floods and so on.  The spirit of the world, the ways that are only of the unfinished creation. There is no demon there.

Jesus Christ as mankind {many members} is the FIRST completed creation that God forms and then puts that many membered creature {Jesus Christ as the LORD FROM HEAVEN} in many flesh bodies as the gardener of all the rest of the creation.   As you know, scripture in Revelation says that Jesus Christ is the BEGINNING of the creation of God.  Christ is not created, but Jesus the flesh man is.

We suffer "as the flesh that will be\is Jesus' body" all the ways and actions and sorrows etc. of mankind as who we are UNTIL we are mature with and as CHRIST JESUS in the creation bodily.  Until we conquer all disease and the weather and so on that Jesus witnessed as our future ability, we suffer WITH CHRIST IN US AS WHO WE WILL BE ONE WITH at maturity.   Love is God and LOVE IS OUR FATHER.

God Bless, Donken