It's a jungle!

[rosered]

   I love the Tentmaker   site   and Forum , 
What a blessing its been for many years  , I DO  believe its helped  many of us to grow up in Christ and  grow in Truth and Grace !
    Jesus said Himself , He come to   divide and conquer   us all    , within us all and each other Luke 12 ,  48-54


49 "I have come to set the world on fire, and I wish it were already burning!


50 I have a terrible baptism of suffering ahead of me, and I am under a heavy burden until it is accomplished.

51 Do you think I have come to bring peace to the earth?

No, I have come to divide people against each other!

52 From now on families will be split apart, three in favor of me, and two against—or two in favor and three against.

Paul shared some excellent advice here in quenching /stifiling  not the Spirit !   but Let the Spirit move  freely and perfectly , our earth is moving and shaking all the time  ,, settling those things that will remain and  making the foundation /Christ strong and solid in us all .     that you wont be  easliy moved


1Th 5:1 Now concerning how and when all this will happen, dear brothers and sisters,  we don't really need to write you. 


1Th 5:2 For you know quite well that the day of the Lord's return will come unexpectedly, like a thief in the night. 


1Th 5:3 When people are saying, "Everything is peaceful and secure," then disaster will fall on them as suddenly as a pregnant woman's labor pains begin. And there will be no escape. 


1Th 5:4 But you aren't in the dark about these things, dear brothers and sisters, and you won't be surprised when the day of the Lord comes like a thief. 


1Th 5:5 For you are all children of the light and of the day; we don't belong to darkness and night. 
1Th 5:6 So be on your guard, not asleep like the others. Stay alert and be clearheaded. 


1Th 5:7 Night is the time when people sleep and drinkers get drunk. 


1Th 5:8 But let us who live in the light be clearheaded, protected by the armor of faith and love, and wearing as our helmet the confidence of our salvation. 


1Th 5:9 For God chose to save us through our Lord Jesus Christ, not to pour out his anger on us. 


1Th 5:10 Christ died for us so that, whether we are dead or alive when he returns, we can live with him forever. 
1Th 5:11 So encourage each other and build each other up, just as you are already doing. 


1Th 5:12 Dear brothers and sisters, honor those who are your leaders in the Lord's work. They work hard among you and give you spiritual guidance. 


1Th 5:13 Show them great respect and wholehearted love because of their work. And live peacefully with each other. 
1Th 5:14 Brothers and sisters, we urge you to warn those who are lazy. Encourage those who are timid. Take tender care of those who are weak. Be patient with everyone. 


1Th 5:15 See that no one pays back evil for evil, but always try to do good to each other and to all people. 


1Th 5:16 Always be joyful. 


1Th 5:17 Never stop praying. 


1Th 5:18 Be thankful in all circumstances, for this is God's will for you who belong to Christ Jesus. 


1Th 5:19 Do not stifle the Holy Spirit. 


1Th 5:20 Do not scoff at prophecies, 


1Th 5:21 but test everything that is said. Hold on to what is good. 


1Th 5:22 Stay away from every kind of evil. 


1Th 5:23 Now may the God of peace make you holy in every way, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ comes again. 


1Th 5:24 God will make this happen, for he who calls you is faithful. 


1Th 5:25 Dear brothers and sisters, pray for us. 


1Th 5:26 Greet all the brothers and sisters with Christian love.
1Th 5:27 I command you in the name of the Lord to read this letter to all the brothers and sisters. 


1Th 5:28 May the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. 


For those whom   read the Word of God , is this not great advice ?
  I know when I was not   sure what was in the Bible I did  not know how to answer   what I believed and was very unsure od how to explain     this ''faith  in Christ ''
  We all do repent '' change our minds ''as the Spirit gives more truth and grace to recieve  Him

   My only concern is'' stumbling those''    that the Lord Jesus warns not too.
  Faith seems to be one of the most precious things one can posses in Gods will , work and  salvation      , as we all share our beliefs  , not everyone can recieve it  , its all in Gods time ,  to me anyways  , its the Lord whom changes us all  to His glory and praise 

[rosered]

  I just shared my own UR beliefs with someone two weeks  ago and  may have stumbled them
  they were NOT prepared to recive the salvation of all  .

  I remember doubting that myself  years ago and   now no one can change my mind about this work of God 
God will change us all   eventually  , some now   some later 
It is God   whom we  ''bank on ''
  I only hope this person will  talk to me again , many have  gone away and never to speak to me again about the faith   of UR    though Jesus Christ .
  searching and praying and resolving those things that trouble you and  asking God to show you is as personal as it gets  , and its the only way I have found that does give the peace  of Him that surpasses all undestanding .  ,  to me it is what sets our world on fire   with Holy Spirit   teaching and learning and  chaning our  minds and hearts totally    towards trusting Him

  I know the biggest thing was  , IF I am supposed to pray for and want good things and take the  abuse of others  as enemies to the cross of Jesus Christ  ,    than how Can God   NOT do the same thing  with the same nature ?
God had to change my own nature to Love others as He loves  us / me !
  That really got me to thinking  differently

[WhiteWings]

  I just shared my own UR beliefs with someone two weeks  ago and  may have stumbled them
  They were NOT prepared to receive the salvation of all

Maybe the heart received it while the doctrine infested mind rejected it.

[Tom]

  I just shared my own UR beliefs with someone two weeks  ago and  may have stumbled them
  they were NOT prepared to recive the salvation of all  .

  I remember doubting that myself  years ago and   now no one can change my mind about this work of God 
God will change us all   eventually  , some now   some later 
It is God   whom we  "bank on "
  I only hope this person will  talk to me again , many have  gone away and never to speak to me again about the faith   of UR    though Jesus Christ .
  searching and praying and resolving those things that trouble you and  asking God to show you is as personal as it gets  , and its the only way I have found that does give the peace  of Him that surpasses all undestanding .  ,  to me it is what sets our world on fire   with Holy Spirit   teaching and learning and  chaning our  minds and hearts totally    towards trusting Him

  I know the biggest thing was  , IF I am supposed to pray for and want good things and take the  abuse of others  as enemies to the cross of Jesus Christ  ,    than how Can God   NOT do the same thing  with the same nature ?
God had to change my own nature to Love others as He loves  us / me !
  That really got me to thinking  differently

Don't feel bad about sharing the truth, sis, thinking you may have made somebody "stumble." You did the right thing. I've gotten bad vibes from some believers too, even one of my own brothers in my family. The truth needs to be told though. I didn't believe it either when I first found out about it, but I read it online. So there was nobody to get worried about possibly making me "stumble." It's not you who may have made somebody "stumble," but the lie of church doctrine straight from the Roman Empire that contradicts the truth of the word of God. I became convinced universal reconciliation is the truth after a lot of studying trying to disprove it. Church doctrine is so deeply programmed into us that it is hard to give it up because we think it is truth, but it isn't. It is just cleverly disguised by "the systematizing of the deception" (Ephesians 4:14). I believe we should continue to speak the truth of the word of God to those who are in the bondage of church doctrine, even though they may be disoriented by it initially, because ultimately the truth will set them free.

"you will know the truth, and the truth will be making you free." (John 8:32)

http://concordant.org/expohtml/HisAchievement/HisAchievement012.html

[rosered]

  I just shared my own UR beliefs with someone two weeks  ago and  may have stumbled them
  They were NOT prepared to receive the salvation of all

Maybe the heart received it while the doctrine infested mind rejected it.

Very  well could be WW.
 
You never know  what the struggle is when trying to accept  somthing that goes agaiainst everything you believed your whole life .

[rosered]

  I just shared my own UR beliefs with someone two weeks  ago and  may have stumbled them
  they were NOT prepared to recive the salvation of all  .

  I remember doubting that myself  years ago and   now no one can change my mind about this work of God 
God will change us all   eventually  , some now   some later 
It is God   whom we  "bank on "
  I only hope this person will  talk to me again , many have  gone away and never to speak to me again about the faith   of UR    though Jesus Christ .
  searching and praying and resolving those things that trouble you and  asking God to show you is as personal as it gets  , and its the only way I have found that does give the peace  of Him that surpasses all undestanding .  ,  to me it is what sets our world on fire   with Holy Spirit   teaching and learning and  chaning our  minds and hearts totally    towards trusting Him

  I know the biggest thing was  , IF I am supposed to pray for and want good things and take the  abuse of others  as enemies to the cross of Jesus Christ  ,    than how Can God   NOT do the same thing  with the same nature ?
God had to change my own nature to Love others as He loves  us / me !
  That really got me to thinking  differently

Don't feel bad about sharing the truth, sis, thinking you may have made somebody "stumble." You did the right thing. I've gotten bad vibes from some believers too, even one of my own brothers in my family. The truth needs to be told though. I didn't believe it either when I first found out about it, but I read it online. So there was nobody to get worried about possibly making me "stumble." It's not you who may have made somebody "stumble," but the lie of church doctrine straight from the Roman Empire that contradicts the truth of the word of God. I became convinced universal reconciliation is the truth after a lot of studying trying to disprove it. Church doctrine is so deeply programmed into us that it is hard to give it up because we think it is truth, but it isn't. It is just cleverly disguised by "the systematizing of the deception" (Ephesians 4:14). I believe we should continue to speak the truth of the word of God to those who are in the bondage of church doctrine, even though they may be disoriented by it initially, because ultimately the truth will set them free.

"you will know the truth, and the truth will be making you free." (John 8:32)

http://concordant.org/expohtml/HisAchievement/HisAchievement012.html

Thank you Tom , your very kind and  always have  info to share that helps .

  Could not agree more  ,  this world   is full of deception  , but its not an excuse to not speak up in Truth because you love them enough to   be  honest with them.   
We Know its God Himself that does the  ultimate  saving though truth and grace and in what ever way    that needs to be sent   to stir something up within us to aleast look for ourselves  .
   For it   is the Lord whom satisfies   our hunger and thirst  to Know Him

[eaglesway]

If they stumble, they are stumbling over the "stumbling stone"- the true Messiah, our Rock :o)

[rosered]

If they stumble, they are stumbling over the "stumbling stone"- the true Messiah, our Rock :o)

  So True John ,  God bless you  bro !

[mplsfitter539]

Don't feel bad about sharing the truth, sis, thinking you may have made somebody "stumble." You did the right thing. I've gotten bad vibes from some believers too, even one of my own brothers in my family. The truth needs to be told though. I didn't believe it either when I first found out about it, but I read it online. So there was nobody to get worried about possibly making me "stumble." It's not you who may have made somebody "stumble," but the lie of church doctrine straight from the Roman Empire that contradicts the truth of the word of God. I became convinced universal reconciliation is the truth after a lot of studying trying to disprove it. Church doctrine is so deeply programmed into us that it is hard to give it up because we think it is truth, but it isn't. It is just cleverly disguised by "the systematizing of the deception" (Ephesians 4:14). I believe we should continue to speak the truth of the word of God to those who are in the bondage of church doctrine, even though they may be disoriented by it initially, because ultimately the truth will set them free.

"you will know the truth, and the truth will be making you free." (John 8:32)

http://concordant.org/expohtml/HisAchievement/HisAchievement012.html

My own conclusion is if you share the Truth and they reject it move on. I shared the Truth with my sister who is a youth pastor of a church and all she said was "what about free will". I can't convince her that free will is a myth and  that Yahweh rules everyone even the unbelievers of the Truth of Yahshua. I think I tripped her up when I brought up 1Timothy4:9-
11 she could not reconcile this verse with what she believes.

[Tom]

It's hard when you're trying to convince family members of the truth. I think we should just plant the seed, and let God make it grow. That's all we can do with anybody really, but I think the continuous shining of the light of God's love through us has an effect on them whether they say so or not.

[eaglesway]

It's hard when you're trying to convince family members of the truth. I think we should just plant the seed, and let God make it grow. That's all we can do with anybody really, but I think the continuous shining of the light of God's love through us has an effect on them whether they say so or not.

:iagree:

[T-Bone]

AFTER READING ALL OF THESE REPLIES TO THIS THREAD , I COULDN'T HELP BUT THINK OF THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS " FOR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE, THE PEOPLE PERISH" AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT BOOK, CHAPTER AND VERSE.
SORRY, BUT I RELISH THE DISCUSSION AND WORK THAT SOME HAVE ALREADY PUT INTO FINDING A SCRIPTURAL RESPONSE THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO THE THOUGHT BEING CONSIDERED.
DURING MY SHORT TIME THAT I'VE BEEN IN THIS WEBSITE I HAVE BEEN PLEASED TO SEE THE LOVE, THE RESTRAINT , THE PASSION TO EXPRESS EACH OF YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE DISCUSSION.
SOMETIMES FOLKS JUST NEED TO SAY A LOT AND SOMETIMES FOLKS WILL JUST SAY A LITTLE; EITHER WAY IT GETS SAID AND WE ARE ALL EDIFIED ( BUILT UP )  FROM IT.
LET'S KEEP DOING WHAT WE ARE DOING .
I'M GROWING FROM IT AND I HOPE YOU ARE , TOO.

[mplsfitter539]

T-BONE
Hosea 4
6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Proverbs 5
23 He shall die without instruction; and in the greatness of his folly he shall go astray.

Proverbs10
23 He shall die without instruction; and in the greatness of his folly he shall go astray.

All three of these share a common thread.

[T-Bone]

THANKS, MPLSFITTER.

MAY THE LORD GRANT US ALL  THE DESIRE TO KEEP ASKING,SEEKING AND KNOCKING.