1 Corinthians 15:20-28 questions

[jabcat]

P.S.  Sorry if I missed it, I looked.  But I'm seeing this life to death (reposing) then raised to either LOF (or no LOF [Marie]) to vivification...not seeing the temporary correction in the sequence...but again, maybe I missed it..

[Tom]

Good, helpful comments today.   :thumbsup:   At what point in there do you see kolasis aonian?

"31 "Now, whenever the Son of Mankind may be coming in His glory, and all the holy messengers with Him, then shall He be seated on the throne of His glory,
32 and in front of Him shall be gathered all the nations. And He shall be severing them from one another even as a shepherd is severing the sheep from the kids.
33 And He shall be standing the sheep, indeed, at His right, yet the kids at the left.
34 "Then shall the King be declaring to those at His right, 'Hither, blessed of My Father! Enjoy the allotment of the kingdom made ready for you from the disruption of the world.
35 For I hunger and you give Me to eat' I thirst and you give Me drink; a stranger was I and you took Me in;
36 naked and you clothed Me; infirm am I and you visit Me; in jail was I and you come to Me.'
37 "Then the just will be answering Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we perceive Thee hungering and nourish Thee, or thirsting and we give Thee drink?
38 Now when did we perceive Thee a stranger and took Thee in, or naked and we clothed Thee?
39 Now when did we perceive Thee infirm, or in jail, and we came to Thee?'
40 "And, answering, the King shall be declaring to them, 'Verily, I am saying to you, In as much as you do it to one of these, the least of My brethren, you do it to Me.'
41 "Then shall He be declaring to those also at His left, 'Go from Me, you cursed, into the fire eonian, made ready for the Adversary and his messengers.
42 For I hunger and you do not give Me to eat; I thirst and you do not give Me drink;
43 a stranger was I and you did not take Me in; naked and you did not clothe Me; infirm and in jail and you did not visit Me.'
44 "Then shall they also be answering, saying, 'Lord, when did we perceive you hungering or thirsting, or a stranger, or naked, or infirm, or in jail, and we did not serve you?'
45 "Then shall He be answering them, saying, 'Verily, I am saying to you, In as much as you do it not to one of these, the least, neither do you it to Me.'
46 And these shall be coming away into chastening eonian, yet the just into life eonian." (Matthew 25:31-46)

"31 The many judgments in the Scriptures should be carefully distinguished as to time and place and participants and the attending circumstances. There is no "general judgment", for the saints are judged in the cross of Christ. The individual judgment of the unbeliever for his sins does not take place in this life, but in resurrection. All mankind except those who are Christ's will be raised from the dead to stand before the great white throne, which is not set up until after the coming kingdom eon has run its course (Un.20:11). The judgment here presented differs in time, in place, in character and in purpose. It occurs at the commencement of the kingdom, at His coming in glory, while the great white throne session does not take place until after the thousand years. This judgment is on the earth. The earth will flee before the great white throne (Un.20:11). Living nations will appear before the Son of Mankind, but only the dead come before the later tribunal. The nations are judged as such, not their sins, but according to their treatment of Israel during the time of their affliction.
     When God is judging the earth no greater act of righteousness can be done than to feed and shelter His oppressed people. Each faithful Israelite stands in the place of Christ toward the nations. Those who help them do so at the greatest risk, for they may be called to account by the powers that oppose them. This tribunal is not concerned with their ultimate destiny, but with their place in the kingdom. The kingdom will be comprised largely of gentiles, subordinate to Israel politically and religiously, but nevertheless the recipients of much blessing. All that they receive comes to them through Israel, while the present grace which we enjoy comes to us because Israel as a channel is choked, yet the super-abundance of the grace overflows all barriers. We have every reason to treat the Jews with the utmost grace, but our conduct toward them is not a factor in our destiny. We do not enter the kingdom, because we have a higher and more honorable allotment among the celestials.

40 See 10:42.

40 The "brethren" of Christ, in the kingdom, are His fellow Israelites, in contrast with those of other nations. These do not appear before this tribunal. Their judgment is dealt with in the preceding parables.

41 The Slanderer and his messengers will be the chief instigators of the fearful anti-Semitic outbreak of the end time. It will be the greatest of all pogroms, and men will be urged on by malignant spirit powers to do all that is possible to exterminate the people who refuse to worship Satan's christ, or to bow down to his image. Being superhuman, the wild beast and the false prophet will have their portion in that lake of fire into which the Slanderer is cast more than a millennium later (Un.20:10).

46 Eonian chastening is here limited to the nations who will not succor the faithful of Israel in their time of sore distress. It has no bearing on the sins of individuals. The justice of fire eonian is disciplinary and corrective (cf Jude 7)." (Concordant Commentary on the New Testament page 49)

http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheProblemOfEvil/evil027.html

Read the information under the chart on the page accessed with the following link.

http://www.saviourofall.org/charts/ChartOfJudgments.html

[marie glen]

P.S.  Sorry if I missed it, I looked.  But I'm seeing this life to death (reposing) then raised to either LOF (or no LOF [Marie]) to vivification...not seeing the temporary correction in the sequence...but again, maybe I missed it..

I'm thinking of the aionian/agelasting correction as being during judgement day.. or what turns out to be Atonement Day which for Israel was a day of very deep mourning, great sorrow expressed and afflicting of oneself.. that this is what Jesus meant when He told the pharisees unless they repented they would "die in their sins" as it being - how awful to be raised still in your sins, a 'day' of lamentation and grief.. doa, day of atonement/dead on arrival,

But, "all the ends of the earth shall remember and turn to the Lord" ps 22:27,

..there's a remnant from all nations, the elect.. and the 1000 year millennium, followed by the resurrection of all others of every tribe and nation and tongue not yet born again and during that long day of judgment/atonement "all the ends of the earth" (all the 2nd resurrection) "shall remember and turn to the Lord and all families will worship Him".. I'm not sure when else this would occur..

..this would also explain the parable about Lazarus and the rich man.. after 2nd resurrection, but before the consummation when all are "vivified" (brought into fuLL LiFe) can see each other..

Before this I hadn't heard of the idea of being resurrected out of the LOF, I've read it as by time end of the 'day'/age of judgment/atonement, all would believe, which is the requirement to have one's name written in the Book of Life..

helping me think of it this way is how the false prophet and beast are "cast alive into the lake of fire" but i don't think they are "living" entities at all, but are institutions of man, a world body and a false teaching/theory of man

this has 'helped' me to think no living persons will go to the LOF...

that's my theory anyway.. :2c: :smile:

[marie glen]

"31 "Now, whenever the Son of Mankind may be coming in His glory, and all the holy messengers with Him, then shall He be seated on the throne of His glory,
32 and in front of Him shall be gathered all the nations. And He shall be severing them from one another even as a shepherd is severing the sheep from the kids.
33 And He shall be standing the sheep, indeed, at His right, yet the kids at the left" ....at the commencement of the kingdom, at His coming in glory, while the great white throne session does not take place until after the thousand years..

:gthumbsup:

"31 "Now, whenever the Son of Mankind may be coming in His glory, and all the holy messengers with Him, then shall He be seated on the throne of His glory,
32 and in front of Him shall be gathered all the nations. And He shall be severing them from one another even as a shepherd is severing the sheep from the kids"

is
"He comes with angels[1]" .."to gather His elect" .."and with fire[2].." = a separation/severing and judgment.
                  is how I think of it..

[marie glen]

I thought this might fit, from Daniel, (the millennium)

2:44 And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever. (KJ)

2:44 `And in the days of these kings raise up doth the God of the heavens a kingdom that is not destroyed -- to the age, and its kingdom to another people is not left: it beateth small and endeth all these kingdoms, and it standeth to the age. (Young's Literal)

...this is written in the margin of "The New American Bible" about "Christ as firstfruits" 1 Cor 15:20 -
"The firstfruits: the portion of the harvest offered in thanksgiving to God implies the consecration of the entire harvest to come".. and mentions a "whole harvest" which they might not mean it the way I'm assuming and hearing it.. as consecration of the whole entire human crop. All humans. (Of course!)

[WhiteWings]

In this thread "The Last Day" is used several times. I think it's good to know the term had very great significance to the ancient Jews. Personally I think the verse cannot be fully understood without knowing that custom.


Sukkot, Feast of Tabernacles, was the 7th and last feast of the year. This 7 day feast was considered the greatest of all feasts because they celebrated all were forgiven after the judgements a few days earlier.
The 7th and last/great day of that feast was called "Hoshana Rabba" meaning "Great Salvation".
Within a 2 week period, according to (ancient) Jews 3 main events took place.
Rosh Hasanah: Judgement is rendered.
Yom Kippur: Judgment is sealed.
Hoshana Rabba: Judgement is delivered. -> On that day the Jews greeted each other with "Good note" Meaning written in the Book of Life.

John 7:37-38 (AKJV)
37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come to me, and drink.
38 He that believes on me, as the scripture has said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

During the 7 days there was a water pouring ceremony called "water liberation".  The high priest took a golden pitcher and filled it at the pool of Siloam and returned to the Temple courtyard and pour out the water. (water from a spring is living water)

According to God's instructions on the first day of the feast thirteen bullocks were offered and each day that followed on less bullock was offered which meant that seventy were offered. Two things characterized the Feast of Tabernacle from the other feasts. One was the illumination of the Temple and the other the pouring of a vessel of water into a basin that was located at the base of the altar. First the golden vessel of water was filled at the pool of Sloam and taken to the altar. Next another golden vessel would be filled with wine and they both would be poured together into the basin. The mixed water and wine would flow down a conduit which carried the water to the Brook of Kidron located across from the eastern wall.
---> Personally I see a link with http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+47&version=NIV
---> Jesus was crucified outside the eastern wall.
---> Blood+water flowed out of His side
-------> Body=Temple. Wine=grapes=blood


During that ceremony they sang:
Ps 118:25-26 (AKJV)
25 Save now, I beseech you, O LORD: O LORD, I beseech you, send now prosperity.
26 Blessed be he that comes in the name of the LORD: we have blessed you out of the house of the LORD.


Directly following the 7 days was an additional 8th day. Shemini Atzaret. (Numbers 29:35)
It was a day of prayer for rain; which symbolizes blessings.
Atzaret is rooted in a word meaning "hold back". God asked to stay with Him for 1 more day (at the Temple). Likely this 8th day is the all-in-all day.

A final interesting thing to note:
In addition, in Temple times during the week of Sukkot seventy bulls were sacrificed as Musaf offerings on the altar (for the seventy nations of the earth), but on Shemini Atzeret only one bull was sacrificed - for Israel alone:

"You may compare it to a king who had a festival for seven days and invited all the nations of the world to the seven days of feasting. When the seven days were over and the guests had gone, he said to his friend (Israel), 'Let us now have a small meal together, just you and I.'" (Bamidbar Rabbah 21, Sukkah 55b)


So, "Last Day" refers to a lot of positive background that seems to drop some UR hints here and there....

:2c:

[lomarah]

Wow WW that was awesome. Good stuff there.

[mplsfitter539]

WW thank you for that, I love studying the Feasts of Yahweh. Tabernacles is the feast we are all longing for and looking forward (in time) to the manifestation of the Sons of Yahweh.

[marie glen]

In this thread "The Last Day" is used several times. I think it's good to know the term had very great significance to the ancient Jews. Personally I think the verse cannot be fully understood without knowing that custom.


Sukkot, Feast of Tabernacles, was the 7th and last feast of the year. This 7 day feast was considered the greatest of all feasts because they celebrated all were forgiven after the judgements a few days earlier.
The 7th and last/great day of that feast was called "Hoshana Rabba" meaning "Great Salvation".
Within a 2 week period, according to (ancient) Jews 3 main events took place.
Rosh Hasanah: Judgement is rendered.
Yom Kippur: Judgment is sealed.
Hoshana Rabba: Judgement is delivered. -> On that day the Jews greeted each other with "Good note" Meaning written in the Book of Life.

John 7:37-38 (AKJV)
37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come to me, and drink.
38 He that believes on me, as the scripture has said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

During the 7 days there was a water pouring ceremony called "water liberation".  The high priest took a golden pitcher and filled it at the pool of Siloam and returned to the Temple courtyard and pour out the water. (water from a spring is living water)

According to God's instructions on the first day of the feast thirteen bullocks were offered and each day that followed on less bullock was offered which meant that seventy were offered. Two things characterized the Feast of Tabernacle from the other feasts. One was the illumination of the Temple and the other the pouring of a vessel of water into a basin that was located at the base of the altar. First the golden vessel of water was filled at the pool of Sloam and taken to the altar. Next another golden vessel would be filled with wine and they both would be poured together into the basin. The mixed water and wine would flow down a conduit which carried the water to the Brook of Kidron located across from the eastern wall.
---> Personally I see a link with http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+47&version=NIV
---> Jesus was crucified outside the eastern wall.
---> Blood+water flowed out of His side
-------> Body=Temple. Wine=grapes=blood


During that ceremony they sang:
Ps 118:25-26 (AKJV)
25 Save now, I beseech you, O LORD: O LORD, I beseech you, send now prosperity.
26 Blessed be he that comes in the name of the LORD: we have blessed you out of the house of the LORD.


Directly following the 7 days was an additional 8th day. Shemini Atzaret. (Numbers 29:35)
It was a day of prayer for rain; which symbolizes blessings.
Atzaret is rooted in a word meaning "hold back". God asked to stay with Him for 1 more day (at the Temple). Likely this 8th day is the all-in-all day.

A final interesting thing to note:
In addition, in Temple times during the week of Sukkot seventy bulls were sacrificed as Musaf offerings on the altar (for the seventy nations of the earth), but on Shemini Atzeret only one bull was sacrificed - for Israel alone:

"You may compare it to a king who had a festival for seven days and invited all the nations of the world to the seven days of feasting. When the seven days were over and the guests had gone, he said to his friend (Israel), 'Let us now have a small meal together, just you and I.'" (Bamidbar Rabbah 21, Sukkah 55b)


So, "Last Day" refers to a lot of positive background that seems to drop some UR hints here and there....

:2c:

That's awesome!! I'll have to come back and read it again.. when I have more time to re-read it.. "hints to UR here and there" for sure!

I know a while back Mr Amiralt (sp?) was looking for all the holy days fulfilled by Jesus during his visitation (1st) and this too may fit that..

day of atonement, the day of deep sorrow for sins, etc precedes both tabernacles and at-one-ment..

[mplsfitter539]

In this thread "The Last Day" is used several times. I think it's good to know the term had very great significance to the ancient Jews. Personally I think the verse cannot be fully understood without knowing that custom.


Sukkot, Feast of Tabernacles, was the 7th and last feast of the year. This 7 day feast was considered the greatest of all feasts because they celebrated all were forgiven after the judgements a few days earlier.
The 7th and last/great day of that feast was called "Hoshana Rabba" meaning "Great Salvation".
Within a 2 week period, according to (ancient) Jews 3 main events took place.
Rosh Hasanah: Judgement is rendered.
Yom Kippur: Judgment is sealed.
Hoshana Rabba: Judgement is delivered. -> On that day the Jews greeted each other with "Good note" Meaning written in the Book of Life.

John 7:37-38 (AKJV)
37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come to me, and drink.
38 He that believes on me, as the scripture has said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

During the 7 days there was a water pouring ceremony called "water liberation".  The high priest took a golden pitcher and filled it at the pool of Siloam and returned to the Temple courtyard and pour out the water. (water from a spring is living water)

According to God's instructions on the first day of the feast thirteen bullocks were offered and each day that followed on less bullock was offered which meant that seventy were offered. Two things characterized the Feast of Tabernacle from the other feasts. One was the illumination of the Temple and the other the pouring of a vessel of water into a basin that was located at the base of the altar. First the golden vessel of water was filled at the pool of Sloam and taken to the altar. Next another golden vessel would be filled with wine and they both would be poured together into the basin. The mixed water and wine would flow down a conduit which carried the water to the Brook of Kidron located across from the eastern wall.
---> Personally I see a link with http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+47&version=NIV
---> Jesus was crucified outside the eastern wall.
---> Blood+water flowed out of His side
-------> Body=Temple. Wine=grapes=blood


During that ceremony they sang:
Ps 118:25-26 (AKJV)
25 Save now, I beseech you, O LORD: O LORD, I beseech you, send now prosperity.
26 Blessed be he that comes in the name of the LORD: we have blessed you out of the house of the LORD.


Directly following the 7 days was an additional 8th day. Shemini Atzaret. (Numbers 29:35)
It was a day of prayer for rain; which symbolizes blessings.
Atzaret is rooted in a word meaning "hold back". God asked to stay with Him for 1 more day (at the Temple). Likely this 8th day is the all-in-all day.

A final interesting thing to note:
In addition, in Temple times during the week of Sukkot seventy bulls were sacrificed as Musaf offerings on the altar (for the seventy nations of the earth), but on Shemini Atzeret only one bull was sacrificed - for Israel alone:

"You may compare it to a king who had a festival for seven days and invited all the nations of the world to the seven days of feasting. When the seven days were over and the guests had gone, he said to his friend (Israel), 'Let us now have a small meal together, just you and I.'" (Bamidbar Rabbah 21, Sukkah 55b)


So, "Last Day" refers to a lot of positive background that seems to drop some UR hints here and there....

:2c:

That's awesome!! I'll have to come back and read it again.. when I have more time to re-read it.. "hints to UR here and there" for sure!

I know a while back Mr Amiralt (sp?) was looking for all the holy days fulfilled by Jesus during his visitation (1st) and this too may fit that..

day of atonement, the day of deep sorrow for sins, etc precedes both tabernacles and at-one-ment..

While Gary works on this I suggest watching this whole free series done by Michael Rood. Here is a link to Feasts of Yahweh.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTdAeCPoifk&list=PL800E3A7D1DB4FC69

[marie glen]

What an interesting study!

God is so wise! those of the 2nd resurrection will be mortal.. i think God will give them time to go through the whole repenting and redemptive process!

We don't know when they become "found in the book of life" but we know they will.. whether they go to the pond/pool/lake of fire/fiery/"pur" or go through it as perhaps all believers do (to me) is a mystery too.. But those fall festivals have, in my eyes, gotten even bigger.. they speak of the future!
...trumpets.. atonement.. tabernacles.. and tabernacles on into ages (or eternity..?)
:dsunny: This link looks veRy interesting! Lev 23 and numbers 28,29 can be kind of dry reading! it'll be interesting to see the traditions of the feasts which came straight from the Word (and maybe some that didn't of course)

While Gary works on this I suggest watching this whole free series done by Michael Rood. Here is a link to Feasts of Yahweh.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTdAeCPoifk&list=PL800E3A7D1DB4FC69

P.S - have a great sunday! :smile:

[mplsfitter539]

 We will eat of the fall feast of Yahweh together.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUn2jAj44Y0&list=PLBB3BE92F2783C495

Which is why I posted this one after the spring feasts.

[emilysmith]

1 Corinthians 15:51-58 Listen, I will tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed – 15:52 in a moment, in the blinking of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 15:53 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality. 15:54 Now when this perishable puts on the imperishable, and this mortal puts on immortality, then the saying that is written will happen, "Death has been swallowed up in victory." 15:55 "Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting" ? 15:56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 15:57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ! 15:58 So then, dear brothers and sisters, be firm. Do not be moved! Always be outstanding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord. NET