Freewill is a myth and here's proof

[dajomaco]

How could we have been created in the image of God, and in His likeness, if we have no personal will independent of Him? Is He not an independent creative being with intellect, heart, soul and spirit?

I see it differently than you do Eaglesway.

We are created in God's image yet we know that God is eternal he never dies!
We have first hand knowledge that every human being dies.

How could we have been created in the image of God, and in His likeness, if we have no personal will independent of Him over death?
After all, is he not an eternal being.

Our spirit is eternal and so is his.
His spirit has no personal will independent of Him.


For we are the circumcision, the ones who serve by the Spirit of God, boast in Christ Jesus, and do not put confidence in the flesh—
   
At the same time, God also testified by signs and wonders, various miracles, and distributions of gifts from the Holy Spirit according to His will.

For the word of God is living and effective and sharper than any double-edged sword, penetrating as far as the separation of soul and spirit,

For this reason the gospel was also preached to those who are now dead,
so that, although they might be judged by men in the fleshly realm, they might live by God in the spiritual realm.

because no prophecy ever came by the will of man; instead, men spoke from God as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
Now God has revealed these things to us by the Spirit, for the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God.

Don't you yourselves know that you are God's sanctuary and that the Spirit of God lives in you?

as it is written: God gave them a spirit of insensitivity, eyes that cannot see and ears that cannot hear, to this day.

All those led by God's Spirit are God's sons

[dajomaco]

Last post says It is Christ's teachings which will perfect us after all.

The above is one of the most unbiblical statements I have read in a while
It is the very corner stone of Anti Christ doctrine

[sheila]

  loved this Daj...no prophecy[testimony/WORD OF GOD] ever come by the will of man........

   and the being born again..from above..is being born of the will of God and not man.

   YOU...did NOT CHOOSE ME....but I CHOSE YOU.....

      GET BEHIND ME SATAN.....man's will evidently is the will of the adversary...sold under sin to be

a slave/servant of sin/adversary...taken captive to do his will....but Christ takes captivity captive!!!!!!!

[lastpost]

When you are living in the Spirit dajomaco, how will you be acting towards your fellow beings and God? Did not Christ teach and show by example how to live a perfect life? I trust that He did, He was Perfection. Do you suppose that loving God with all your heart, soul mind and strength and loving your neighbour as yourself will no longer be relevant? I would say to say otherwise is anti-Christ. Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life in everything wihtout exception. Through Him we move and in Him we have our life and that is what perfects us.

[JulieTang84]

Last post says It is Christ's teachings which will perfect us after all.

The above is one of the most unbiblical statements I have read in a while
It is the very corner stone of Anti Christ doctrine

Not taking sides on this one :HeartThrob:

But I have never ever heard that as the very corner stone of the Anti Christ doctrine.

Would go please explain for the likes of me,.  :HeartThrob:

Love Julie

[Tom H]

Tom H... again thanks so much for providing the concordant.org material.  I'm developing a rather lengthy article on "Begun a good work"  as per Phil 1:6.  Do you have any scriptural commentaries on Phil 1:6???? Thanks.

http://concordant.org/expohtml/ConcordantCommentary/CC11_Philippians.htm

[lastpost]

We are created in God's image yet we know that God is eternal he never dies!
We have first hand knowledge that every human being dies.

How could we have been created in the image of God, and in His likeness, if we have no personal will independent of Him over death?

I agree, we clearly are not God (so obviously we are separate), it is not so difficult to accept that God also had the power to give His children an individual will.

God's whole Plan is so truly beautiful, He has children to love and to give more and more gifts to when they are ready - our God is more generous than every human put together could imagine - and although they have been wayward He knows how to bring them home, complete and restored.

And the meantime, He gives us Himself through Jesus the Christ - how Beautiful is He, how anyone can opt not to spend all their life and time thinking about Him, telling others about Him, communing with Him, is amazing. To be as close to Him as possible, His life-blood is all a person should ever want, it contains everything sacred and ancient, everything simple and newly generated, everything wondrous and comforting. But then again is this Biblical!

Peace.

[Tom H]

Tom H... again thanks so much for providing the concordant.org material.  I'm developing a rather lengthy article on "Begun a good work"  as per Phil 1:6.  Do you have any scriptural commentaries on Phil 1:6???? Thanks.

After I sent that link to the Philippians commentary, I thought I should have just sent the main link to the Concordant Commentary
on the New Testament.

http://concordant.org/expohtml/ConcordantCommentary/CC00.htm

[Tom H]

Tom H... again thanks so much for providing the concordant.org material.  I'm developing a rather lengthy article on "Begun a good work"  as per Phil 1:6.  Do you have any scriptural commentaries on Phil 1:6???? Thanks.

http://concordant.org/expohtml/ConcordantCommentary/CC11_Philippians.htm

Oh Tom, thanks so much... as I quickly looked over the commentary, I saw the Table of Contents and then quickly looked through that...  you have provided hours worth of reading invaluable material... I'm particularly appreciative of the fact that the material is written by believers of the true gospel   "In Christ ALL nations will be blessed"  Gal 3:8 .....    I've read some of your replies in other threads and find them very helpful as well.   May His peace, joy, love, grace, life, light shine in your heart and mind.

UR V40P1 p18

"We wish to point particularly to Philippians as the place to learn the practice of prayer for the present. Paul opens it with thanksgiving to God for them (Phil.1:3-11). As we have already expounded the epistle at length elsewhere, we will stop only to call attention to a passage in it which is in line with our present theme. Paul is confident, not that the Philippians will produce good works of themselves, but that GOD undertakes a good work in them, and that HE will be performing it until the day of Jesus Christ (Phil.1:6). Does not this give us the key to correct conduct for today? We should have our eyes open to His deity, and realize that He is the real motive power in our lives, and rely on Him, not ourselves, in deportment as well as in doctrine."

UR V63P2 p171

"What are your persuasions? Paul was persuaded that God was able to guard what He had committed to him for that day (2 Timothy 1:12). This referred to his evangel, but do you believe that that good work God began in you He will finish in the day of Jesus Christ (Philippians 1:6)? Are you confident, are you persuaded that He is able to guard you and yours in Christ?"

UR V69P1 p130

"Responding to God's Spirit within us we shall be carrying our salvation into effect. There is no way to escape it (not that we would ever want to escape this grace)! When God prepares something it is carried to its completion just as we read in Philippians 1:6 concerning the good work He began among those believers."

UR V74P1 p118

"The good work which He undertook among the Philippians, in which He saved them from opposing the faith and graced them to be "competing together in the faith of the evangel," is a good work which He "will be performing...until the day of Jesus Christ" (cf Phil.1:6; 1:27-29)."

UR V77P1 p64

"Paul is confident, not that the Philippians will produce good works of themselves, but that GOD undertakes a good work in them, and that HE will be performing it until the day of Jesus Christ (Phil.1:6). Does not this give us the key to correct conduct for today? We should have our eyes open to His deity, and realize that He is the real motive power in our lives, and rely on Him, not ourselves, in deportment as well as in doctrine."

UR V82P1 p3

"IN Paul's prayer opening his epistle to the Philippians he speaks of his confidence in God performing to completion the good work that He had undertaken (Phil.1:6)."

UR V82P1 p4

"The word "performing" in Philippians 1:6 literally means "completing" and refers to the process of bringing a matter to fulfillment."

UR V85P2 p285

"Speaking of God's specific work among the Philippians, the apostle Paul writes of His confidence "that He Who undertakes a good work among you, will be performing it until the day of Jesus Christ" (Phil.1:6). The Greek word for "performing" means literally ON-FINISH and is often rendered "complete." As a process, however, it might best be understood as "performing to a completion." God is One Who undertakes good works and performs them to completion."

Here are some good links. Make sure to check everything in the Interlinear Scripture Analyzer Concordant Version Old Testament with the CVOT PDF version because it is more accurate. I proofread the CLV module for the New Testament, and I began on the Old Testament. Then I was told a new version was forthcoming and not to bother. It hasn't happened yet because the program author has had to deal with some other things to generate cash, and I know there are some errors that need to be corrected. The CVOT PDF version is the latest edition. The Commentary Browser works in conjunction with the Interlinear Scripture Analyzer. Look near the bottom of the page that contains the PDf versions for the link to the Unsearchable Riches digital version. That's where these latest quotes came from. The PDF CLNT is not as polished as the PDF CVOT because they had no digital master copy. So I tore apart my book and scanned it for them. One advantage of it is the large text. I don't even have a book anymore. I just read the PDF Versions. Enjoy!

http://concordant.org/online/index.html

http://concordant.org/ur/index.html

http://www.scripture4all.org/

http://www.scripture4all.org/cbrowser/cbrowser.htm
 
 

[Tom H]

Tom H... again thanks so much for providing the concordant.org material.  I'm developing a rather lengthy article on "Begun a good work"  as per Phil 1:6.  Do you have any scriptural commentaries on Phil 1:6???? Thanks.

http://concordant.org/expohtml/ConcordantCommentary/CC11_Philippians.htm

Oh Tom, thanks so much... as I quickly looked over the commentary, I saw the Table of Contents and then quickly looked through that...  you have provided hours worth of reading invaluable material... I'm particularly appreciative of the fact that the material is written by believers of the true gospel   "In Christ ALL nations will be blessed"  Gal 3:8 .....    I've read some of your replies in other threads and find them very helpful as well.   May His peace, joy, love, grace, life, light shine in your heart and mind.

I forgot to mention the downloadable PDF version of the commentary, and I should have included these links also.

http://concordant.org/

http://concordant.org/expohtml/index.html

The only thing I don't recommend on their site is the New Testament cassette tapes. I converted their masters to MP3 format, but the quality was so bad that I decided to just use text to speech. It's not as natural sounding as the human voice, but my files don't have text errors with static and large sections of the volume inaudible as was the case with the tapes. I only saved Paul's evangel, and some copies are here.  http://concordant.org/recorded/index.html  They're not the latest updates though. Text to speech pronunciation is not an exact science. I spent a lot of time and energy perfecting the pronunciation, and the President of the Concordant Publishing Concern retired before I finished. So he didn't get the latest updates. I have those and some video files from the scanned pages of the book and those audio files as the sound track in a Dropbox folder. I lost my webpage because Comcast discontinued service even though they raised their price. I made the videos specifically for blind, deaf, and illiterate folks because I had a friend in the mountains that couldn't read and have also known some blind and deaf folks. If you're interested, I could share the Dropbox folder with you. 

[Tom H]

Tom H... again thanks so much for providing the concordant.org material.  I'm developing a rather lengthy article on "Begun a good work"  as per Phil 1:6.  Do you have any scriptural commentaries on Phil 1:6???? Thanks.

http://concordant.org/expohtml/ConcordantCommentary/CC11_Philippians.htm

Oh Tom, thanks so much... as I quickly looked over the commentary, I saw the Table of Contents and then quickly looked through that...  you have provided hours worth of reading invaluable material... I'm particularly appreciative of the fact that the material is written by believers of the true gospel   "In Christ ALL nations will be blessed"  Gal 3:8 .....    I've read some of your replies in other threads and find them very helpful as well.   May His peace, joy, love, grace, life, light shine in your heart and mind.

UR V40P1 p18

"We wish to point particularly to Philippians as the place to learn the practice of prayer for the present. Paul opens it with thanksgiving to God for them (Phil.1:3-11). As we have already expounded the epistle at length elsewhere, we will stop only to call attention to a passage in it which is in line with our present theme. Paul is confident, not that the Philippians will produce good works of themselves, but that GOD undertakes a good work in them, and that HE will be performing it until the day of Jesus Christ (Phil.1:6). Does not this give us the key to correct conduct for today? We should have our eyes open to His deity, and realize that He is the real motive power in our lives, and rely on Him, not ourselves, in deportment as well as in doctrine."

UR V63P2 p171

"What are your persuasions? Paul was persuaded that God was able to guard what He had committed to him for that day (2 Timothy 1:12). This referred to his evangel, but do you believe that that good work God began in you He will finish in the day of Jesus Christ (Philippians 1:6)? Are you confident, are you persuaded that He is able to guard you and yours in Christ?"

UR V69P1 p130

"Responding to God's Spirit within us we shall be carrying our salvation into effect. There is no way to escape it (not that we would ever want to escape this grace)! When God prepares something it is carried to its completion just as we read in Philippians 1:6 concerning the good work He began among those believers."

UR V74P1 p118

"The good work which He undertook among the Philippians, in which He saved them from opposing the faith and graced them to be "competing together in the faith of the evangel," is a good work which He "will be performing...until the day of Jesus Christ" (cf Phil.1:6; 1:27-29)."

UR V77P1 p64

"Paul is confident, not that the Philippians will produce good works of themselves, but that GOD undertakes a good work in them, and that HE will be performing it until the day of Jesus Christ (Phil.1:6). Does not this give us the key to correct conduct for today? We should have our eyes open to His deity, and realize that He is the real motive power in our lives, and rely on Him, not ourselves, in deportment as well as in doctrine."

UR V82P1 p3

"IN Paul's prayer opening his epistle to the Philippians he speaks of his confidence in God performing to completion the good work that He had undertaken (Phil.1:6)."

UR V82P1 p4

"The word "performing" in Philippians 1:6 literally means "completing" and refers to the process of bringing a matter to fulfillment."

UR V85P2 p285

"Speaking of God's specific work among the Philippians, the apostle Paul writes of His confidence "that He Who undertakes a good work among you, will be performing it until the day of Jesus Christ" (Phil.1:6). The Greek word for "performing" means literally ON-FINISH and is often rendered "complete." As a process, however, it might best be understood as "performing to a completion." God is One Who undertakes good works and performs them to completion."

Here are some good links. Make sure to check everything in the Interlinear Scripture Analyzer Concordant Version Old Testament with the CVOT PDF version because it is more accurate. I proofread the CLV module for the New Testament, and I began on the Old Testament. Then I was told a new version was forthcoming and not to bother. It hasn't happened yet because the program author has had to deal with some other things to generate cash, and I know there are some errors that need to be corrected. The CVOT PDF version is the latest edition. The Commentary Browser works in conjunction with the Interlinear Scripture Analyzer. Look near the bottom of the page that contains the PDf versions for the link to the Unsearchable Riches digital version. That's where these latest quotes came from. The PDF CLNT is not as polished as the PDF CVOT because they had no digital master copy. So I tore apart my book and scanned it for them. One advantage of it is the large text. I don't even have a book anymore. I just read the PDF Versions. Enjoy!

http://concordant.org/online/index.html

http://concordant.org/ur/index.html

http://www.scripture4all.org/

http://www.scripture4all.org/cbrowser/cbrowser.htm
 

LOL    I never laugh out loud... but I can't help myself...  when I first saw the title of this thread several days ago, I took an inner vow that I would not participate ... well to date, anna274 has replied quite a few times... freewill has never been an issue for me...  I simply see God's divine will working with and through man's human will to accomplish His glorious plan to bring all men to be with Him for all eternity.   (God all in all).....


but, of course, I am so delighted that I did... Tom, thank you so much for so quickly, so graciously, so generously providing me with so much very helpful information...  I haven't been set up to do the pdf stuff, but will get help this week so that I can download/print what looks to me like great material.

Well it's time for this LOL (Little Old Lady) to sort through the papers on my desk and get ready to get some shut eye.  I'm an early bird... awake and alert at 4-5 AM.   Have a pleasant evening and again thanks so much Tom... you have blessed me greatly.

Here's a link to Adobe Reader which is all you need to view the PDF files. Just be careful not to download McAfee with it. Uncheck the box before you hit "Download now." http://get.adobe.com/reader/ God bless you, sis.

[micah7:9]

If man has a free will, then the Lord God is not sovereign. Man has free choice, to chose, opt, from causes and circumstances that face him. And imo, the Lord God Almighty is the cause of ALL circumstances.
Should man have free will, then the Will of the Lord God Almighty can be usurped when ever man freely, without any cause or circumstance, uses his will to do what ever man's will, wills to do.
Should I give myself to accept that man has FREE will, that free will is a real and true virtue, that man can freely do whatever he himself WILLS, I would not, could not believe in I AM.
Isa 45:9  Woe to him who is striving with his Former, (A potsherd with potsherds of the ground!) Doth clay say to its Framer, `What dost thou?' And thy work, `He hath no hands?'
Isa 45:10  Woe to him who is saying to a father, `What dost thou beget?' Or to a wife, `What dost thou bring forth?
Pro 20:27  The breath of man is a lamp of Jehovah, Searching all the inner parts of the heart.

[JulieTang84]

If man has a free will, then the Lord God is not sovereign. Man has free choice, to chose, opt, from causes and circumstances that face him. And imo, the Lord God Almighty is the cause of ALL circumstances.
Should man have free will, then the Will of the Lord God Almighty can be usurped when ever man freely, without any cause or circumstance, uses his will to do what ever man's will, wills to do.
Should I give myself to accept that man has FREE will, that free will is a real and true virtue, that man can freely do whatever he himself WILLS, I would not, could not believe in I AM.
Isa 45:9  Woe to him who is striving with his Former, (A potsherd with potsherds of the ground!) Doth clay say to its Framer, `What dost thou?' And thy work, `He hath no hands?'
Isa 45:10  Woe to him who is saying to a father, `What dost thou beget?' Or to a wife, `What dost thou bring forth?
Pro 20:27  The breath of man is a lamp of Jehovah, Searching all the inner parts of the heart.

This is great Micah.  :HeartThrob:

The simple fact is that what ever it is us mere humans decide or choose to do, cannot usurp the will of God. Father has said that he has hardened the hearts of some. Surely these can do or say what they like. The simple fact is that they cannot come up to Father and tell him that he has made a mistake and have Father reinstate their love for Him.


Any one who thinks that they can is sadly mistaken and no matter what they think, Father will not be moved. What they fail to realize is that Father can change our path and is free to do so, we however; can do what we like and not change Fathers. That is simple fact.

Love Julie  :URWelcome:

[bj127]

God is Sovereign.  You can think, reason, rationalize, and plan your next move; however, God directs your steps.  I may have a cup of coffee in front of me, but if God doesn't want me to drink it, I can't.  Again, I'm guilty of giving God far too much credit.....NOT.   :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob:

[lastpost]

The Sovereign did not want Adam and Eve to pick the sinful option and warned them not to do so.
Although He knew they would pick that option He did not stop them choosing that option.
So they were subject to His restorative laws which He had thought out in advance.

God wants it achieved His Way not the way man says He should do it.

[dajomaco]

When you are living in the Spirit dajomaco, how will you be acting towards your fellow beings and God?
I won't be acting. I will just be a vessel used by the Spirit as he wills.
My eyes will be open so I can read what God has written in my mind.
My ears will be open so that I can hear the message spoken to my heart.  

Did not Christ teach and show by example how to live a perfect life?
He most certainly did not! He demonstrated and taught the Pharisees
that no human being could be perfect no matter how hard they tried.
They could be made perfect by the Blood of Jesus, as he wills.
The will of God is that all be made perfect. Jesus came to fulfill the will of God.
Satan the accuser, teaches man, that they have free will, so go out and perfect yourself.
You have free will so go out and be perfect, there is nothing stopping you.
So as you go out and practice trying to live a perfect life he will continually
remind you of your failures .Then you argue with him "what about that guy over their he is way worse than me" He will agree with you "yes you certainly are trying hard ,
Why not go over there and tell that guy how badly he is failing. It will be a great help to him you can teach him how to live a perfect Life. You are trying so hard soon you will be teaching thousands how to be perfect. Just don't screw it up.

 


I trust that He did, I know he didn't

He was Perfection. He IS perfection.

Do you suppose that loving God with all your heart,
Go look up what Paul says about what Love does, and come back and tell me that
this is what you do for GOD.

soul mind and strength and loving your neighbour as yourself will no longer be relevant?
The best way I know how to LOVE my neighbour is to freely pass on the LOVE that God has freely GIVEN me.

I would say to say otherwise is anti-Christ.
Grace is unmerited favor this is Christ.
Grace that is some how earned is anti Christ

Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life in everything wihtout exception. Through Him we move and in Him we have our life and that is what perfects us.

In him we have our new life.
You must be born again.
You tell me how much you were involved in your own conception .
I can tell you how much you were involved in being born again.

If any one things that I should P.M. my responses to last post please let me know.

[lastpost]

Did not Christ teach and show by example how to live a perfect life?
He most certainly did not! He demonstrated and taught the Pharisees

That's fine dajomaco, if you wish to preach that Christ lived and demonstrated the life of a Pharisee, that's your choice with your freewill. That is not for me thank you, I prefer the simplicity of Christ.

Also, if you wish to overturn the most two important commandments that Christ taught, that's also your choice with your own freewill. Again, that is not for me thank you, I prefer the simplicity of Christ.

I blame the yeast of the Pharisees myself and the associated doctrines of men.

I prefer to realise my own imperfection and require the age-lasting life He promised we would pass in to.

Peace.

[dajomaco]

True Love is such an easy path.
Some where in ourselves we have a conversation about who we are and where did we come from. I f I was created. I wonder if the creator is pleased with his creation.
I look around and do a self evaluation. I look at my fellow humanity and decide I am not the worst and probably not his favorite.
Then out of nowhere the possibility of being Gods favorite becomes an on going inner conversation. You are already his favorite is an idea that seams fanciful .
You want some kind of proof.

He sacrificed his only son to the concept of LOVE .
The perfect LOVE. This seed of LOVE was planted in the earth.
After a few days LOVE was in full bloom.
When this seed of LOVE rose from the ground
it caused a conception to start to grow in me.
This new life grows and thirsts for the LOVE that freely flows from the cross
on Calvary. You are amazed at how much you enjoy drinking from the living waters.
You may even put a stone (in your heart) to block the flow so you keep some more.
You realize that holding it in is impossible. So remove the stone and let it flow freely.
WOW God has proven to me he Loves me. Now let me show him how much I love him.
His holy word says you can't. The HOLY SPIRIT says here is a way.

Do you know how to feed your self. Then go feed some one who looks hungry.     
All you can give is the proof freely given to you that GOD LOVES him.
The spirit will. Your spirit will nudge you to look closely. You see it is GOD'S
son you are feeding .That is your proof (the fact that you fed God's own son)
The spirit is living and God is the God of the living.

[lastpost]

Dear dajomaco,

It is so wonderfully Divine that God pours His Love through His willing vessels who, like cisterns, reflect that Love as a demonstration of the Light of the World on His behalf, grateful am I that He has chosen such a flawed vessel in this child of His - so grateful words cannot describe it!  :dsunny:

[micah7:9]

Did not Christ teach and show by example how to live a perfect life?
He most certainly did not! He demonstrated and taught the Pharisees

That's fine dajomaco, if you wish to preach that Christ lived and demonstrated the life of a Pharisee, that's your choice with your freewill. That is not for me thank you, I prefer the simplicity of Christ.

Also, if you wish to overturn the most two important commandments that Christ taught, that's also your choice with your own freewill. Again, that is not for me thank you, I prefer the simplicity of Christ.

I blame the yeast of the Pharisees myself and the associated doctrines of men.

I prefer to realise my own imperfection and require the age-lasting life He promised we would pass in to.

Peace.

"I blame the yeast of the Pharisees myself and the associated doctrines of men."

Well there you go my friend, that blaming of which you speak started with Gen 3:12  and the man saith, `The woman whom Thou didst place with me--she hath given to me of the tree--and I do eat.'
I do not believe in "blaming" what good did that do? imo its accepting His purpose.
"I prefer to realise my own imperfection...."  As of yet, for me to see me as an imperfection, is to "blame" (to use your word) my Creator as to making a mistake....that for me would be foolish and you know what is said of a fool. :HeartThrob:

[micah7:9]

The Sovereign did not want Adam and Eve to pick the sinful option and warned them not to do so.
Although He knew they would pick that option He did not stop them choosing that option.
So they were subject to His restorative laws which He had thought out in advance.

God wants it achieved His Way not the way man says He should do it.

"The Sovereign did not want Adam and Eve...."
"Although He knew ...."
Oxymoron...a figure of speech in which opposite or contradictory ideas or terms are combined.
Sovereign...above or superior to all others;
When a sovereign power begins something whatever plays out was the purpose of the sovereign power.
Pro 3:19  Jehovah by wisdom did found the earth, He prepared the heavens by understanding.

To err, is human. The sovereign God, the Lord Jesus Christ, does not second guess. :HeartThrob: :dsunny:

[lastpost]

You do make me smile my friend. I will rephrase...

In my opinion. the reason that people change the sense of meaning of Christ's simple commands is as a consequence of the yeast of the Pharisees and the traditions of men.

Peace.

[lastpost]

Please allow me to rephrase this also...

a)   God made His children (who also had individual freewill) out of the Essence of Himself (likeness) and therefore perfect
b)   The children could have remained in Perfection if they did not sin
c)   If they fell to temptation to sin by abusing their freewill then they would become imperfect and subject to His redemptive laws

God did not Will them to sin – they had their own freewill, they did it themselves!

Sometimes we have to take a little responsibility for what we do. His Way not man's

Peace.

[micah7:9]

You do make me smile my friend. I will rephrase...

In my opinion. the reason that people change the sense of meaning of Christ's simple commands is as a consequence of the yeast of the Pharisees and the traditions of men.

Peace.

"The reason that people........" Rom 8:20  For the creation was subjected to vanity, not of its own will, but by reason of him who subjected it, in hope

What you say, imo, is still a type of blame. :Peace2:

[micah7:9]

Please allow me to rephrase this also...

a)   God made His children (who also had individual freewill) out of the Essence of Himself (likeness) and therefore perfect
b)   The children could have remained in Perfection if they did not sin
c)   If they fell to temptation to sin by abusing their freewill then they would become imperfect and subject to His redemptive laws

God did not Will them to sin – they had their own freewill, they did it themselves!

Sometimes we have to take a little responsibility for what we do. His Way not man's

Peace.

"a)   God made His children (who also had individual freewill)...." scripture please.
"b)   The children could have remained in Perfection if they did not sin"... then the Creator went into shock when the woman took of the tree!?
"c)   If they fell to temptation to sin by abusing their freewill....." here again, "If they fell..." means the Lord God had to trash His original plan and get it together? And please a scripture for this "free will" attribute or virtue, like when it was given to man.