Daniel's Ten Kingdoms Found?

[Ken]

Greetings,

Is it possible that the ten kingdoms mentioned in Daniel have been found?

Check out this article for a more detailed explanation:

http://ernestlmartin.com/index2.htm#daniel

Ken

(http://ernestlmartin.com/images/World-Map_10-Regions_Club-of-Rome_Behold-a-Pale-Horse.jpg)

[Lazarus Short]

This is very possibly correct, as it is easy to see that some of the "numbers" are strong, some are weak, and they certainly do not cleave to one another.

[marie glen]

 :Chinscratch: very interesting.. i've always leaned toward the idea of a world governing and political body (rev 13;1-10) strengthened when the office which was pinpointed by13:13, signs on and steps into prime seat of (giving breath to) and will divide the world/nations into ten divisions.. already speak of it, for instance mentioned, Canada, U.S. and Mexico suggested as one division..

Nebuchadnezzar's dream statue, had in it, iron and bronze, (Roman and Greek) and the last and most terrible beast of Daniel 7 is the same as Rev 13:1-10 - it is described as having iron teeth(columns!) and tears apart (scrabbles) with its bronze claws, i.e, the Greek human secularism which has overturned Christendom.. The iron(western) and clay(non-western) will not really cleave.. One of these days the mantra (against christians) will be "...you're against world peace?"(shocked)..

[urpilgrim]

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/new_world_order_map.htm
Interesting map at the above link. I don't how to cut and paste ... or I would  :dontknow:

[reFORMer]

for instance mentioned, Canada, U.S. and Mexico suggested as one division..

Are you suggesting the USA should annex Canada and Mexico?

[lomarah]

 :eek: God forbid!!!  :eek:


:laughing7:

[lomarah]

Seriously though... no....

[marie glen]

for instance mentioned, Canada, U.S. and Mexico suggested as one division..

Are you suggesting the USA should annex Canada and Mexico?

:gsmile: ..maybe i can clarify, what I meant to write is that the world speaks of dividing the nations into segments.. which makes me think of the final 'kingdom' of mankind, the "ten toes" of King Nebuchadnezzar's dream statue (which of course is what the website Ken posted, is referring to)..

Politically speaking, one such suggested division the politicians (kings) of the earth are contemplating is the one I mentioned of N America and Mexico.. "ten divisions" of the globe, late in the game.. ["late in the game", referring to the ten kings who will rule with the beast one (final) hour]

That is to say, there are political minds, of our world today, who talk about dividing the globe into segments or divisions, and I believe this is heading towards the "ten toes" and "ten kings" of very late days of man's kingdom(s)..

[marie glen]

P.S  ...I suppose it sounds like mumbo jumbo as I tried to weave scriptures in, which lead me to the conclusions I have.. I believe the "beast" of rev 13, verse 1 through 10 are speaking of a world beast or body.. or ruling force. I don't believe it to be Roman Catholic, but believe it to be modern and built on a foundation which is Graeco/Roman.. Greek sentiment and philosophy, art, etc. and Roman politics, senates, courts, etc. In other words, Western in nature (of western civilization).

The beast I'm referring to of Rev 13:1-10 is the one of ten horns, which the Book of Rev says is ten kings that rule with this beast for one hour.. This beast is also mentioned by Daniel (as having ten horns) but he further reveals it has iron teeth and bronze claws.

On Nebuchadnezzar's dream statue, there was the iron and the bronze, most accept as Roman and Greek. I know some are thinking, these days, the iron is Islam, but I think all indications are Islam is working real hard to get strongly stationed in our very own world body we have today. Albeit it has not received authority ("breath") yet, which verse Rev 13 says it will receive when the 2nd beast of Rev 13 gives it to it(2nd beast, a person or office, gives breath to 1st beast, a world beast, or the image/panel of). I see the world beast as having on his head a circle of ten crowns, aka, seats.

It is this world beast, which I believe will divide the nations into 10 segments, which they already ruminate and speak of..

It is my belief the iron and clay in final days, is western(iron) and non-western(clay) and already we see that west and Islam does not readily cleave to one another, so even tho the world beast/body will claim world 'peace', it will not be real.

Am I still merely babbling?  :laugh2: I don't expect many folks to agree with me (and don't think folks have to agree on things in order to have conversation) but i sure wish i could express myself in a way that someone could at least understand what it is i'm saying. :gsmile:

[eaglesway]

I understand what you are saying and agree mostly.

I dont see the clay and iron as western non western tho. These were all forms of government. Pure monarchy(Babylon/golden head), Dual hedgemony(Medes/Persians, silver torso and arms), Totalitarian Republics(Greco/Roman, Iron legs), Totalitarian Republics & Democracies/parliaments(Europe/US/China/G10)



IMO, The stone that smote the statue is the divine rule of the Son of God and the Kingdom of Priests.......A JUBILEE Coming Soon to a Totalitarian Republic near you LOLOL

[marie glen]

Quote: .....IMO, The stone that smote the statue is the divine rule of the Son of God and the Kingdom of Priests..

We are likely agreed on that.. the Kingdom of God breaks into pieces all these other kingdoms (of mankind) - and begins, the Lord's millennial rule of a thousand years, which believers will be priests of God and Christ during

(and i believe, :2c: during the age of the Great White Throne judgment)

:gsmile:

I think I'm seeing what we are differing in opinion, is before millennium or only during millennium, as to the believers part in subduing..

[marie glen]

P.S -  :Chinscratch: I used to believe more in what I thought of as a "latter rain" of the Spirit "your sons and daughters will prophecy.. your old men see visions" etc.. And I think a lot is going on in the world as far as the gospel being preached to all nations.. and His Spirit poured out as it was on the day of Pentecost and also upon the gentile believers in Caesarea when Cornelius sent for Peter..

And Jesus did say "occupy til I come" (in a parable, about the Kingdom)

[eaglesway]

I am very open to idea of the Great White Throne age.

And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time. Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.
(Rev 20:2-5)

"While I was contemplating the horns, behold, another horn, a little one, came up among them, and three of the first horns were pulled out by the roots before it; and behold, this horn possessed eyes like the eyes of a man and a mouth uttering great boasts.

(IMO this next portion is an interlude describing what is about to happen and correlates with the above verses in REV)


"I kept looking Until thrones were set up, And the Ancient of Days took His seat; His vesture was like white snow And the hair of His head like pure wool. His throne was ablaze with flames, Its wheels were a burning fire. "A river of fire was flowing And coming out from before Him; Thousands upon thousands were attending Him, And myriads upon myriads were standing before Him; The court sat, And the books were opened.

"Then I kept looking because of the sound of the boastful words which the horn was speaking; I kept looking until the beast was slain, and its body was destroyed and given to the burning fire. "As for the rest of the beasts, their dominion was taken away, but an extension of life was granted to them for an appointed period of time.
(Dan 7:8-12)

The Great White Throne and the lake of fire are "icons" IMO. Symbols for huge events that do not get described in detail because they transcend time on some level, so to me, an overlap between the ages, as they get closer to the completion of time, seems very reasonable.

There are statements in the scripture from Jesus and Daniel and John and Paul that indicate a judgment, or evaluation process for believers.

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
(2Co 5:10)

According to the grace of God which was given to me, like a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building on it. But each man must be careful how he builds on it. For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each man's work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man's work. If any man's work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire. Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.
(1Co 3:10-17)

For I, on my part, though absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged him who has so committed this, as though I were present. In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled, and I with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus, I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
(1Co 5:3-5)

We are not really given a lot of details concerning these events that span a thousand years, but Peter says,

For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up. Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat! But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.
(2Pe 3:5-13)

the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up

This does not mean the earth will physically be burned up, anymore than the earth was physically destroyed in the flood. The "world", kosmos, system of principalities and powers etc was dismantled by the flood- destroying that "present evil age" and making room for a new stage in the progress of the restoration of all things(an administration suitable to the completion of "times".

the earth was formed out of water and by water, through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water .....imo, "world as it existed at that time was made null and void" is a better paraphrase.

During the 1000 year day, we are told the word of the Lord will cover the earth as the water covers the sea and the glory of the Lord will cover the earth as the water covers the sea. His word is a fire, His GLORY is a fire. The fire Peter is talking about will "make the world as we know it now nulland void" during this "Day" in which the earth will be transformed into a "tabernacle of righteousness" where the lion will lay down with the Lamb and they will turn their spears into pruning hooks and they will not learn war anymore. Yet, we know from Zechariah 14:12-19 this will not happen instantly. Egypt will be judged if they do not "go up" to the feast of tabernacles to pay homage to the king.

Perhaps, during all this time, there is also aionian judgment going on as Paul refers to..

Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? (And thrones were sat)If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts? Do you not know that we will judge angels(and the books were opened)? How much more matters of this life?
(1Co 6:2-3)

This could be the judgment seat of Christ. It could be that it ALL comes under the heading of THE GREAT WHITE THRONE but that it occurs in different stages, for instance...

A period for judging the people of different age-times; a period for judging Christians who come under the category of "Saved as thru fire"; a period for judging angels; a period for judging the degree of reward for the righteouss- :o) this is all speculation mind you, but it is fascinating subject matter. Peaceful exploration of the scriptures concerning these things always intrigues me-

Debating them is something I do on occasion but don't really enjoy much :o)

[reFORMer]

Rather than having a book to recommend or sites I previously linked, I'll just briefly mention my understanding of the image with the head of gold et al.  It was the 4 ancient world Empires, culminating with Rome, the world in which Jesus was born.  He is, along with His body the Eclessia, the stone that smote the image in its feet and ground it to powder and they were "blown away as the chaff on the summer threshing floor."  That Roman Empire was a mixture of sons of Adam, those born of clay, and sons of God, those born of the Spirit.  That Empire dissipated, was blown away.  The 10 toes were not longer than the statue was tall.  This entire image was viewed in relation to the people of God in ancient Israel and the coming of the Messiah.

The 4 beasts of Daniel, also considered in relation to Israel (restored in our day,) were the British Empire, the Soviet Union, Germany under Hitler, and the beast we now are in, which is unlike the previous beasts.  The 4th beast of Daniel is where we are now.

[reFORMer]

lomara,

While it's not entirely impossible the USA's annexation of Mexico could be greatly alleviated by an overabundance of food stamps, annexing Canada would have to include Quebec.  I'm sure the French Canadiens would require an invasion to secure, even though 95% of their clothes, furniture, appliances, and the like are already bought in the USA.




(My emoticons aren't working or it would be easier to indicate I'm sorta joking.  I've thought about these thing a little, but it's hard to get taken seriously on this, not that I should be.  It's certainly none of my business anyway!)

[marie glen]

The 4th beast of Daniel is where we are now.

..i almost agree.. imo, it's where we're headed..

[marie glen]

lomara,

While it's not entirely impossible the USA's annexation of Mexico could be greatly alleviated by an overabundance of food stamps, annexing Canada would have to include Quebec.  I'm sure the French Canadiens would require an invasion to secure, even though 95% of their clothes, furniture, appliances, and the like are already bought in the USA.




(My emoticons aren't working or it would be easier to indicate I'm sorta joking.  I've thought about these thing a little, but it's hard to get taken seriously on this, not that I should be.  It's certainly none of my business anyway!)

I first mentioned usa, canada and mexico, not about annexation but ten divisions of the globe by a global body in late days, coinciding with ten horns, ten toes and ten kings(which, kings is actually the horns w crowns; a world beast/body with a circle of ten crowns?)

[lomarah]

Hahahahahaha the french Canadians will never bow down to the USA!!!  :Shoot:

Seriously most of them don't even want to be part of Canada let alone the US LOL. As for the rest of us... we're pretty mellow eh? You could totally just walk right into our igloos and tell us we're joining you and we'd be like "ookay, no doat aboat it!"  :Peace2:

[redhotmagma]

Hahahahahaha the french Canadians will never bow down to the USA!!!  :Shoot:

Seriously most of them don't even want to be part of Canada let alone the US LOL. As for the rest of us... we're pretty mellow eh? You could totally just walk right into our igloos and tell us we're joining you and we'd be like "ookay, no doat aboat it!"  :Peace2:

Thanks for the chuckle.  :rolllol:

[mplsfitter539]

lomara,

While it's not entirely impossible the USA's annexation of Mexico could be greatly alleviated by an overabundance of food stamps, annexing Canada would have to include Quebec.  I'm sure the French Canadiens would require an invasion to secure, even though 95% of their clothes, furniture, appliances, and the like are already bought in the USA.




(My emoticons aren't working or it would be easier to indicate I'm sorta joking.  I've thought about these thing a little, but it's hard to get taken seriously on this, not that I should be.  It's certainly none of my business anyway!)

Reformer I tend to agree with most of what you have posted recently. Thank you for your well thought out posts.

[lomarah]

Hahahahahaha the french Canadians will never bow down to the USA!!!  :Shoot:

Seriously most of them don't even want to be part of Canada let alone the US LOL. As for the rest of us... we're pretty mellow eh? You could totally just walk right into our igloos and tell us we're joining you and we'd be like "ookay, no doat aboat it!"  :Peace2:

Thanks for the chuckle.  :rolllol:

Huh? What's so funny?  :dontknow:

:laughing7:

[rosered]

Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:9 And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Many consider there to be seven continents - Africa, Antarctica, Asia, Australia, Europe, North America, and South America. Most students in the United States are taught that there are seven continents.   seven heads ?

Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked [one];


Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
  most consider satan that old red dragon as the wicked one  right ?   seven heads [continents ]  ten horns kingdoms of the earth  ,

  Jesus spoke  this truth Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.   , its here and now , was and will be  as the Lord said in HIS WORD [SEED  OF LIFE ]
  I like  what you wrote  Marie Glen  :thumbsup: