I Had An Awesome and Terrible Dream Sunday Night

[marie glen]

...do you think we are in the time of the 7th bowl?

View Revelation 16:17-21

Does anyone else think the last (seven) bowls/vials/plagues are poured out so fast they are pretty much concurrent and are thermal-nuclear..? I lean toward this, and the 7 bowls are in the 7th trumpet (last trumpet/trump) which makes it as the believers 'go up' (1st resurrection) the bowls 'go down'/are unleashed, the final madness of man's ways..
-- "He comes with His angels and with fire.." 2 Thess 1:7
-- "Immediately after the tribulation of those days.. He will send out His angels to gather His elect from the four corners/winds of the earth.." Mt 24:29-31

[marie glen]

Before the seventh trumpet sounds, the two witnesses must fall and be resurrected and called up to the throne. Whether you see them as literal or figurative matters not to me, they will prophesy and the whole earth will reel. I believe that this speaks of(along with the giant messenger, the manchild and the 7 thunders) a manifestation of the body of Christ in the earth- one that would be the opposite of the one in my dream(all man made and operated).

A voice is crying from out of the wilderess, make ready the way of the Lord, every crooked place straightened, every high place lowered.........

hi, Eagle'sWay! the man-child.. do you suppose this one who is born of a woman (woman is often a nation) with twelve stars circling her head, and as she is about to give birth to the man-child, the dragon tries to kill the child, but actually he is caught up to God(Hebrews 1;3?) and His throne and will rule the nations with a rod of iron(unbreakable truth), would be Jesus? Remember how Herod tried to kill Jesus as soon as He was born by killing all the boy babies and young children of Bethlehem.. then, after this the woman (the mantle now worn by those believing in Jesus, the Son-of-man) is pursued, 70a.d, and the truth/woman migrates largely to europe, there is a battle in heaven, half the war is won and the dragon is no longer allowed access to the heavens and in great anger he again persecutes (inquisitions) the woman/the faith, who migrates a second time when she is given the wings of an eagle that she may fly(sail?) to a new place safe from the FACE of the dragon for 3 and 1/2 modern times (1620+350=1970) at which approximate time the serpent guise of the dragon spews out a flood/proliferation after the woman trying to wash her away from the face of the earth -- but (yet future) the earth opens her mouth to swallow the flood (drought, Lk 23:28-31 a dry leaf) which "the dragon spewed" and then enraged the dragon turns back fully to the woman's other children, who have the Commandments of God and (by now) the testimony of Jesus -- Cross reference Mt 23:39, Jesus said "Jerusalem, Jerusalem.. you shall not see me again until you say 'blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD'."

...all of Revelation 12, one of four inserts

[Lazarus Short]

 :iagree: Gold star for you, Marie!

[eaglesway]

Jesus was already born and caught up to the throne of God at the time John received his revelation. Altho Jesus is certainly the first born man-child- I perceive Rev 12 as speaking of the "many sons unto glory" that have come and will come out of the woman who is "clothed with the sun". His face is as the "sun shining in its strength". The stars upon her head, for me, represent  the 12 apostles, Jesus says in the beginning of the revelation, "I walk among the lampstands(churches) and hold the stars(presbyteries, elders and apostles etc. ) in my hand.
The woman is "standing on the moon" which is in my opinion, Israel and the law- a reflection of glory. She is not "reflecting glory", she is clothed in it.

These interpretations are not necessarily exclusive of one another, and may overlap at points, but for me- the woman is the wife of Christ and the mother of the sons of God- the Bride.

[misszoolander]

^  :thumbsup:

Makes sense to me! 

[eaglesway]

Cool :o)

[marie glen]

Jesus was already born and caught up to the throne of God at the time John received his revelation. Altho Jesus is certainly the first born man-child- I perceive Rev 12 as speaking of the "many sons unto glory" that have come and will come out of the woman who is "clothed with the sun". His face is as the "sun shining in its strength". The stars upon her head, for me, represent  the 12 apostles, Jesus says in the beginning of the revelation, "I walk among the lampstands(churches) and hold the stars(presbyteries, elders and apostles etc. ) in my hand.
The woman is "standing on the moon" which is in my opinion, Israel and the law- a reflection of glory. She is not "reflecting glory", she is clothed in it.

These interpretations are not necessarily exclusive of one another, and may overlap at points, but for me- the woman is the wife of Christ and the mother of the sons of God- the Bride.

The woman standing on the moon, Israel, birthed whom? whom the dragon sought to destroy as soon as born? Israel wore the mantle of truth (to the best of fallen nature), then the mantle, surely is upon the born again.. a transformation of "the woman" -- the dragon is wroth, 70a.d the woman flees.. later the dragon is wroth again and "persecutes" (inquisitions) the woman, she flees again when given the 2-wings of an eagle to fly to a new place (it's obvious, imo, via history, she sailed to a new place)

[sheila]

 I can certainly accept the above post.  But I also see a bigger picture...........

  It began in heaven[Jerusalem above..and with the slaying of the Lamb..and murderous

intention of all those in Christ and born from above..heirs of dominion and a kingdom.]

     I see the woman being helped by the earth.....this good/evil e3xercize and enmity/war.....

    as the satan was cast down to the earth to accuse/persecute..the woman.'s offspring....

   the earth helps in that it opens it's mouth and swallows up[see men that were swallowed up

  in wilderness for rebellion] men of sin.   the 'word of God' come in flesh...crushes the mind

of the adversary that the children should receive the kingdom..and be the heirs of eternal life. 

[eaglesway]

Ephesians 4:8-16 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

yes Jesus is the first-born man-child, cught up to the throne of God, but imo, the vision is to all the sons of God.

And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

(the woman nurtured in the wilderness)


Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

((clothed with the sun/son/presence of God))

That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro,


(man-child/ mature disciples sons being birthed from the churches- "Let those who have ears to hear hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches)" is the key to interpreting revelation imo)


and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

(dragon "lies in wait" at the birth canal of the woman to prevent the birthing of mature sons/disciples- a flood of lies and persecutions, sleight of man, cunning craftiness)


But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.


(man-child wages war against the dragon and his seed, serpents(jesus called them serpents, the serpent was the most beautiful- and verbal- beast- in the garden. In the garden Jesus/sons cry out "Not my will but thine"- serpents teach "you will be wise/knoweldgeable/judge like God)


This is an additional layer so to speak. Jesus is the center and the core of all the images of righteousness. The message is to the church IN THE NOW- PRIMARILY.  There is no necessity for a history in Revelation. In my opinion, IT IS A REVELATION/APOCALYPSIS/MUSTERION to be OPENED BY WISDOM, bringing forth new things in every generation.


"Let the one who has ears to hear HEAR WHAT THE SPIRIT IS SAYING TO THE CHURCHES.

"The Spirit and the Bride say "COME"!

Thats how I see it, but I am not trying to build a headquarters around what I see for anybody else- if it resonates, excellent. If not- So Be It, no sweat off my brow, I am just offering it up for the saints to judge for themselves. In my opinion we all get to attached to what we think we see and it prevents us from seeing more than we have seen- because what we have already seen becomes an icon in our mind and we get upset when the icons challenged.