Grieved

[lomarah]

I am very grieved over much of what has happened in the past couple of days.

Brothers, we tell Marc that he must not insult other members and we ban him for it. Yet those others members (including moderators) insult Marc and as far as I know nothing is even said to them, at least not publically like was done to Marc.

Brothers, we say that we are followers of the One who forgave men everything, yet when a brother comes on asking for forgiveness we tell him to leave and never come back. We do the very thing that we claim on this forum our loving Father would never do. And when we are called out as hypocrites it makes us furious.

Maybe we should take a step back, admit our hypocrisy and realize that God loves us regardless, He loves ALL of us -the insulters, the unforgivers, and the hypocrites. And then seek His face and His will in these circumstances, individually and as a family.

I know that there were many who were hurt and offended in the past couple of days and I am so sorry to each and every one. May God heal our wounds and grant us true unity.  :HeartThrob:

Love and peace to each and every one of you.  :HeartThrob:

[Lazarus Short]

I would still welcome Marc back if he only followed the rules and adjusted his attitude.  I'm ready to go that extra mile - anybody else?

[sheila]

   It greives me,too. Suffice it to say that  men will have to give an account on the Day

  of Judgement for every careless word they have spoken. For by your words you will be

  acquitted ,and by your words you will be condemned.

   

[jabcat]

lomarah and sheila.  would you both like to be moderators? 

what i'm frankly disappointed and have been grieved about is the attitude of a few of our members, encouraging the offender and thinking it's cute and funny when the moderators are attacked, forum guidelines are clearly broken over and over, Gary Amirault is mocked - and more.  if you guys want mayhem and chaos, just say so, and maybe the few of you and marc can just run the boards. 

for one thing, as you should know lomarah, publically criticizing moderator decisions is itself against forum guidelines and is a warnable, then if continued, bannable offense. with your post, you yourself are openly calling the moderators hypocrites.

i have a hard time understanding the utter lack of discernment we ALL display sometimes - in our ways.  maybe I am a hyprocrite.  i have faults and sins i struggle with - sinful attitudes and thoughts -   i do know i, nor any of the other moderators are perfect and make mistakes.  if you think this is one of them - not being run over by someone who is creating chaos, then we surely do have different viewpoints and the rules of the forum just need to be trashed and whatever anyone wants to do they can do. there are boards like that, people curse at each other, argue, rip each other apart.  if that's what you want, right now you're in the wrong place.  but that can certainly change.  maybe it should, i don't know.  maybe all of us mods should just resign and everyone can have it.  i personally don't plan to unless i truly know that's what God wants, and i hope the others don't either.  but honestly, a few members are making it pretty difficult to continue. 

if you guys want the boards, want utter lawlessness, then let us know and i promise i'll take it to Gary.  i'll tell you what he's been on the verge of doing before, when things were such chaos - shutting the boards down completely.  if that's what you guys want just say so.

[jabcat]

i've got something else to do for awhile.  if the other hypocrite mods aren't around, if you guys want, invite marc back and let chaos reign.  alright, well, we'll see what the Lord does.  if He wants changes, He can bring them about.  Whatever He wants, I'll be happy with.  Everyone have a great day, I'm off to put up some tile.  :)

[Molly]

I think that things are pretty peaceful on this board--as well as can be expected among strong minded people lol--and we have the moderators to thank for that.  And, given that it really is a thankless job, -- as long as everything is running smoothly people think the mods are doing nothing [sort of like a housewife] because they cannot see the hard work being done behind the scenes, they just see the results--and given that our mods didn't just fall off the turnip truck--they all have a long history with this board and know some things and have seen some things that others haven't, because they are on call day and night and the buck stops with them--

I say we trust the good judgment of the mods and let them make the decisions.  They know what they are doing.

So, Here's to the  mods. :first:   Thank you for your hard work on our behalf!

PS You couldn't pay me to do that job.  And, they do it for free.

[Lazarus Short]

Well said, Molly!  X2!!  :iagree: :iagree: :iagree:

[lomarah]

All I want is to live in peace with all of my brothers and sisters, and for love and forgiveness to reign in this fellowship we call Tentmaker. You all must know by now that I do not like to stir up trouble or cause anybody grief. I just could not remain silent about this. I felt that my brother was wronged and since he no longer has a voice here I just could not remain silent. I chose to do it publically for many reasons, one of them being that I hope he sees this and knows that he is loved since I now have no way to contact him.

Also please note that I have included myself among the hypocrites. I am as much a hypocrite as anyone else here. The last thing I want is "bad blood" between myself and any others here. I earnestly love you all and my deepest desire is for all of us to live in love and forgiveness. We will all fail to always live in love which is why we need forgiveness.

That's all I want.

[marie glen]

Quote: "there are boards like that, people curse at each other, argue, rip each other apart.  if that's what you want..

O Gosh No! You're right there are tons of places like that! I'm coming here more and more for that very reason! I'm not for lawlessness in the world either! It may be the same flaw at work, a sympathy (albeit well meaning) for rule breaking which makes for ever increasing rule breaking, which can only lead to tyranny (in the world :smile: ) or anarchy. A 'house'/board of the Lord should not be anarchy where folks are allowed to be harmed.. just my :2c:

[jabcat]

if the other hypocrite mods aren't around, if you guys want, invite marc back and let chaos reign. 

Thank you Molly, marie glen, and Laz.

I repent of the quoted statement above - because unless God does something different on these boards, the above isn't going to happen.  Moderators, you know the forum guidelines, know why they're in place, and know that we are "constantly" consulting with each other.  Use your discernment, follow the Lord's leading, and you have my support.  Blessings.

[VineBranch]

I am very grieved over much of what has happened in the past couple of days.

Brothers, we tell Marc that he must not insult other members and we ban him for it. Yet those others members (including moderators) insult Marc and as far as I know nothing is even said to them, at least not publically like was done to Marc.

Brothers, we say that we are followers of the One who forgave men everything, yet when a brother comes on asking for forgiveness we tell him to leave and never come back. We do the very thing that we claim on this forum our loving Father would never do. And when we are called out as hypocrites it makes us furious.

Maybe we should take a step back, admit our hypocrisy and realize that God loves us regardless, He loves ALL of us -the insulters, the unforgivers, and the hypocrites. And then seek His face and His will in these circumstances, individually and as a family.

I know that there were many who were hurt and offended in the past couple of days and I am so sorry to each and every one. May God heal our wounds and grant us true unity.  :HeartThrob:

Love and peace to each and every one of you.  :HeartThrob:

Lom, seriously?  Do you really think the actions of anyone here (including the moderators) was on a par with what he did?

[misszoolander]

 :sigh:

[sheila]

without wood a fire goes out....

[VineBranch]

without wood a fire goes out....

HUH?

[sheila]

it's a scripture in Proverbs..regarding if you quit speaking about a matter of contention

  then it will die down

[VineBranch]

it's a scripture in Proverbs..regarding if you quit speaking about a matter of contention

  then it will die down

I caught the allusion.  I was just wondering why you would want to impose closure with so many unanswered question still lurking.  Isn't that proverb directed to people telling tales?

[Lazarus Short]

Given what Jabcat has hinted at, I think there are some things best left unanswered.

[VineBranch]

Given what Jabcat has hinted at, I think there are some things best left unanswered.

   :mock: That's not an answer.   

[Lazarus Short]

Given what Jabcat has hinted at, I think there are some things best left unanswered.

   :mock: That's not an answer.

mmmmmmmmmm could be.

[nathan2]

Hi, it's marcmarc again.

You may as well all hear me out because I know what a bunch of old sweety wives a lot of you are and how you love a good argument and gossip , but seriously, this is the LAST time I will be back on here, easy as it is to get past the mod's bans....I don't personally agree with coming back under new accounts, however, sometimes it's for a greater good and in this case I've come back to say a few things which I feel are for the greater good.

The first is to lomarah.  It's fine.  Don't be grieved in the least.  I think your the most spiritual person here.  You 'got' me.  You know its about heart and not words, and that i was in many ways asking people to have a little sense of humour.  I didn't wrong anyway, I just called a spade a spade (wonder who i learned that from?  (Jesus)).  I feel completely and utterly in the right, and feel I behaved in a way Christ would have been proud to some degree because i did what he did...stood up to hypocrisy and lies, not just to anyone...but to the ones in authority (or at least the ones who 'think' they have authority (in this case the gods (i mean 'mods' of tentmaker).  Unlike most, i call a spade a spade whomever that person is...The QUeen, the pope...you name that person if theyre a hypocrite ill tell them to their face and happily burn for it.  Because I know at the end of the day its about a clear conscience, and that I have.

Jabcat, you said I spoke ill of Gary Amirault.  When was that exactly?  Because I don't remember it.  In fact I don't think ive ever spoken bad about anyone.  I called vinebranch a troll, sure I did, that was merely the truth...nothing bad about truth.  Jesus called people snakes and what you cant seem to grasp is that Jesus didnt 'hate' them and he wasnt saying it to hurt, he was saying it because it was the truth, and i guarantee you it didnt change Jesus's love for them.  I respect Gary and his work for the cause of UR so if i ever spoke about Gary (I dont believe i've even mentioned him in posts?) then you have obviously picked me up wrong, ,which seems to be a great skill you mods have...twisting people's words and editing them to make them look like a liar.

Vinebranch?  I said I wouldn't talk to you again, but I will say this...Your a complete waste of time, and a troublemaker... You know im right anyway, but youll never admit it, and im sure youll keep this going as long as your troubleseeking nature can stand.  Well done.  What a great reflection of Christ on earth...Not.

Sheila...You got me too and I know that although some of you are on my side in many ways, i also see that it's not about that...Im sure yous don't think im 100% innocent in all this and that's fine, perhaps i could have handled things better, but im me, and have to do what i feel im 'led' to do....Yous are after a greater good...to see everyone getting along.  I assure you I have tried many times to put the past behind when talking to vinebranch and a few mods...But ... Well its almost like they practice being stubborn, hypocritical and unforgiving. 

It saddens me after all the years I've been here Im now written off as a troublemaker and banned for life for calling one member a troll (who certainly is a troll).  My motives have been judged and questioned as though i havent really wanted to make peace, which is utter nonsense...Peace is ALL i wanted.... Now, if i were to judge you lot as harsh as you judge me, i would honestly think there is money involved somewhere...Does vinebranch donate money to you all or something?  It wouldnt suprise me.  I was the guy who told that famous pastor he was a pervert (which was true) and wouldnt work but happily took money from his gullible followers remember?  How many so called 'brothers and sisters' did i loose over that one?  Yes im honest...Too honest for you lot it seems and for....Oh about 99.9% of so called followers of Christ.

And so what if i made a few jokes and asked some of you mods to have a sense of humour about yourselfs?  So what if i said silly things like boast about how handsome I was ....as a joke!  Most folks on here make silly jokes from time to time....Man you guys need to get out more and live a little if that upset yous!  Quite frankly i find many of you in here pathetic to say the least.  It's one rule for one and other rules for another.

All that said, i love you all, forgive you all and wish you's had a heart like mine that could have done likewise and we could have lived together in peace...but yous are not there yet, and thats fine, theres nothing wrong with that.  But I have been greatly wronged and feel there is nothing left for me here...I certainly wont find Christ here and the miracles he did in my life which led me to seek him....He simply isnt here on the whole, although yous would do well to listen to people such as Lomorah who reflects the character of Christ that I know, that i found, and that saved my life a long time ago.

Now go ahead...ban me...edit my post here all you like and get in your pathetic last lying words after yous have banned me and i cant speak back in my defence...Let all your little friends mock me and get away with it...it really is all some of you seem to be any good at.  Yes, hypocrites. 

PS...If i was a REAL troublemaker, believe me I could do a lot more to this website than just get through a silly little ban.  But I'm not one...So  theres your proof. 

Lastly, I am not annoyed, i am not angry, i bear no grudge and im not vindictive.  Even now, despite all this stupidity and banning over calling a troll a troll, I could still happily forgive, love and move on.  I carry no grudge whatsoever.  The truth is...the harsh reality of all of this is THIS....I EXPECT THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOUR FROM 'CHRISTIANS'!!!  It does not surprise me IN THE LEAST to see angry, hypocritical troublemakers amongst those of a 'christian' faith.  THAT is the reason i dont feel anger or anything else...To be completely honest I just feel pity.  WHAT A FUSS YOUS HAVE MADE OVER NOTHING!!!! I feel saddened, because here today, you really have lost a good brother....and not through banning him or anything like that because he can get past that....but because he has decided that most of you are 'just not worth it' and has 'shaken the dust from his feet' and is going elsewhere.

And with that, i am gone.

[nathan2]

Hi, it's marcmarc again.

You may as well all hear me out because I know what a bunch of old sweety wives a lot of you are and how you love a good argument and gossip , but seriously, this is the LAST time I will be back on here, easy as it is to get past the mod's bans....I don't personally agree with coming back under new accounts, however, sometimes it's for a greater good and in this case I've come back to say a few things which I feel are for the greater good.

The first is to lomarah.  It's fine.  Don't be grieved in the least.  I think your the most spiritual person here.  You 'got' me.  You know its about heart and not words, and that i was in many ways asking people to have a little sense of humour.  I didn't wrong anyway, I just called a spade a spade (wonder who i learned that from?  (Jesus)).  I feel completely and utterly in the right, and feel I behaved in a way Christ would have been proud to some degree because i did what he did...stood up to hypocrisy and lies, not just to anyone...but to the ones in authority (or at least the ones who 'think' they have authority (in this case the gods (i mean 'mods' of tentmaker).  Unlike most, i call a spade a spade whomever that person is...The QUeen, the pope...you name that person if theyre a hypocrite ill tell them to their face and happily burn for it.  Because I know at the end of the day its about a clear conscience, and that I have.

Jabcat, you said I spoke ill of Gary Amirault.  When was that exactly?  Because I don't remember it.  In fact I don't think ive ever spoken bad about anyone.  I called vinebranch a troll, sure I did, that was merely the truth...nothing bad about truth.  Jesus called people snakes and what you cant seem to grasp is that Jesus didnt 'hate' them and he wasnt saying it to hurt, he was saying it because it was the truth, and i guarantee you it didnt change Jesus's love for them.  I respect Gary and his work for the cause of UR so if i ever spoke about Gary (I dont believe i've even mentioned him in posts?) then you have obviously picked me up wrong, ,which seems to be a great skill you mods have...twisting people's words and editing them to make them look like a liar.

Vinebranch?  I said I wouldn't talk to you again, but I will say this...Your a complete waste of time, and a troublemaker... You know im right anyway, but youll never admit it, and im sure youll keep this going as long as your troubleseeking nature can stand.  Well done.  What a great reflection of Christ on earth...Not.

Sheila...You got me too and I know that although some of you are on my side in many ways, i also see that it's not about that...Im sure yous don't think im 100% innocent in all this and that's fine, perhaps i could have handled things better, but im me, and have to do what i feel im 'led' to do....Yous are after a greater good...to see everyone getting along.  I assure you I have tried many times to put the past behind when talking to vinebranch and a few mods...But ... Well its almost like they practice being stubborn, hypocritical and unforgiving. 

It saddens me after all the years I've been here Im now written off as a troublemaker and banned for life for calling one member a troll (who certainly is a troll).  My motives have been judged and questioned as though i havent really wanted to make peace, which is utter nonsense...Peace is ALL i wanted.... Now, if i were to judge you lot as harsh as you judge me, i would honestly think there is money involved somewhere...Does vinebranch donate money to you all or something?  It wouldnt suprise me.  I was the guy who told that famous pastor he was a pervert (which was true) and wouldnt work but happily took money from his gullible followers remember?  How many so called 'brothers and sisters' did i loose over that one?  Yes im honest...Too honest for you lot it seems and for....Oh about 99.9% of so called followers of Christ.

And so what if i made a few jokes and asked some of you mods to have a sense of humour about yourselfs?  So what if i said silly things like boast about how handsome I was ....as a joke!  Most folks on here make silly jokes from time to time....Man you guys need to get out more and live a little if that upset yous!  Quite frankly i find many of you in here pathetic to say the least.  It's one rule for one and other rules for another.

All that said, i love you all, forgive you all and wish you's had a heart like mine that could have done likewise and we could have lived together in peace...but yous are not there yet, and thats fine, theres nothing wrong with that.  But I have been greatly wronged and feel there is nothing left for me here...I certainly wont find Christ here and the miracles he did in my life which led me to seek him....He simply isnt here on the whole, although yous would do well to listen to people such as Lomorah who reflects the character of Christ that I know, that i found, and that saved my life a long time ago.

Now go ahead...ban me...edit my post here all you like and get in your pathetic last lying words after yous have banned me and i cant speak back in my defence...Let all your little friends mock me and get away with it...it really is all some of you seem to be any good at.  Yes, hypocrites. 

PS...If i was a REAL troublemaker, believe me I could do a lot more to this website than just get through a silly little ban.  But I'm not one...So  theres your proof. 

Lastly, I am not annoyed, i am not angry, i bear no grudge and im not vindictive.  Even now, despite all this stupidity and banning over calling a troll a troll, I could still happily forgive, love and move on.  I carry no grudge whatsoever.  The truth is...the harsh reality of all of this is THIS....I EXPECT THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOUR FROM 'CHRISTIANS'!!!  It does not surprise me IN THE LEAST to see angry, hypocritical troublemakers amongst those of a 'christian' faith.  THAT is the reason i dont feel anger or anything else...To be completely honest I just feel pity.  WHAT A FUSS YOUS HAVE MADE OVER NOTHING!!!! I feel saddened, because here today, you really have lost a good brother....and not through banning him or anything like that because he can get past that....but because he has decided that most of you are 'just not worth it' and has 'shaken the dust from his feet' and is going elsewhere.

And with that, i am gone.

Im quoting this once to make it harder for them to edit, not that they will now, although they may delete the entire post!  Bye!  All my best and all my love. - Marc.

[lomarah]

Since I can't respond to jabcat's long post over there I want to respond here.

I'm sorry for everything that's happened and thank you jab for shedding more light on things. It certainly makes more sense after seeing what has taken place "behind the scenes". Next time I have a concern I will go to you privately jab and I apologize for not doing so from the start. (I honestly wasn't even thinking about the forum rules and guidelines...   :Oops: )

Marc you know I love you very much brother. I do wish you would apologize to jabcat on youtube for the comment you made there.

There have been so many wronged and hurt these past few days. I apologize to everyone for any hurt that I have caused and do wish that everyone else would do the same.

Love and peace to you ALL.  :HeartThrob:

[jabcat]

Thanks for the post Lo.

It's confusing, but it's not actually a comment on youtube;  they were things said in a couple of emails that were sent through youtube email, about something on youtube.   I don't need an apology, but thanks for the thought.  :)  They are part of a bigger picture, marc hasn't been personally attacking to me since those first 2.  There wasn't really a good need for me to even bring them up to him.  Other things were kind of going on.   :wink3:

Blessings.

[lomarah]

Oh I had meant to answer VineBranch's question.

What I saw on the board was insulting all around. And IIRC Marc did not start it. He did lash out afterward like many of us do when we are hurt. But were his (public) actions any worse than anyone elses? Not from what I saw (and I admit that I may not have seen everything. Jab said some things had been removed.) Did he take it way overboard, especially when he came back as the hunk? Most certainly. Now that I know a bit of what went on behind the scenes, I do wish that he would have listened to jab and removed the comments that he was asked to. It is one thing to say things in the heat of anger but to refuse to remove such comments when you have calmed down and been asked to remove them by a mod for the sake of peace, is another. I have not gone back and read the threads where all of these things went down but I do also hope that the others who said things in the heat of anger to Marc have been removed. We all desire to be treated with love and it is my desire and I know it is Father's too, that we all treat each other that way. We will all fail many times which is why forgiveness is so important. What do we do when a person asks for forgiveness while continuing to do the thing they are asking forgiveness for... ? :sigh: I don't know.

Marc I pray you will be blessed and will continue to pray for you as often as I think of it (as I do for the rest of you).

Again, love and peace to all, and I do hope that everyone will make up soon and be healed of all the wrongs that have been caused here.

[reFORMer]

Common courtesy doesn't require a great intellect or mastery of one's emotions.  Even children can behave properly.  The carnal realize not to act up is to their advantage.  This is not stuff only accessible to the deeply spiritual, the heroic or genius.

Here is one un-edited post of his that I edited:
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from marcmarc:

The main thing is both are home and both come to their senses...except perhaps the other jealous brother who still has a LOT to learn...

Both come to their senses except the other one?  HUH?

Try not to take offense, but judging by your previous posts to me (and to others), trying to explain this to you would be like me trying to teach an ant the internet.  I just dont have the time as you seem to have (never off the forums) and either your trolling all these posts or you simply lack the brain power.    You have spammed and trolled everything i have posted tonight.  Let people have their say without arguing with them all the time.  Im not interested in what you think since its all mumbo jumbo trollish hogwash, im interested in giving 'my' opinion and reading other honest opinions.  If anyone can tell me how i can block this troll, please let me know.  In the meantime i will ignore all his posts, (and GOd knows there are many!)


(the above was from marcmarc)
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the following is how I edited it:


{MODERATOR EDIT} trying to explain this to you  I just dont have the time as you seem to have {MODERATOR EDIT}  Let people have their say without arguing with them all the time. {MODERATOR EDIT} im interested in giving 'my' opinion and reading other honest opinions. {MODERATOR EDIT}

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It may be of interest to some that he said to jabcat the Moderators here were treating him unjustly, persecuting him because of his Godly and righteous stand in favor of homosexuality and bisexuality, a topic that to my knowledge never came up.