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Lazarus Short

February 12, 2013, 07:04:01 PM
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

YHVH = Behold the Nail, Behold the Hand = Jesus

ded2daworld

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February 12, 2013, 07:42:41 PM
couldn't get it to play but I found a link that worked:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2_c81Nnsc0

Lazarus Short

#2
February 12, 2013, 07:44:22 PM
The link worked for me, but hey, thanks!
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

YHVH = Behold the Nail, Behold the Hand = Jesus

VineBranch

#3
February 13, 2013, 05:14:48 AM
Can you imagine the look on the bill collector's face at hell's door trying to get the last payment for the bill.

Lazarus Short

#4
February 13, 2013, 03:26:17 PM
You just tell the bill collector, "Abandon all hope of payment - I'm entering here."  :winkgrin:
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

YHVH = Behold the Nail, Behold the Hand = Jesus

VineBranch

#5
February 13, 2013, 04:43:45 PM
Quote from: Lazarus Short on February 13, 2013, 03:26:17 PM
You just tell the bill collector, "Abandon all hope of payment - I'm entering here."  :winkgrin:

Excellent !!!

A very Dante-ing task indeed.

Lazarus Short

#6
February 13, 2013, 04:57:40 PM
Dante?  Reminds me of this song from Orb, an album by Boiled in Lead, the original Celtic-punk band (not Flogging Molly or the Drop Kick Murphy's):

I got together with some of my friends
And we made a tape that never ends
At midnight Orpheus had to go
And he brought a copy down below

Now I'm on tape decks all over hell

It's such a scary sight to see
All the imps and demons diggin' on me
They put me in heavy rotation
And Dante Aligheri got a bootleg one

I'm on tape decks all over hell...
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

YHVH = Behold the Nail, Behold the Hand = Jesus

VineBranch

#7
February 13, 2013, 06:18:53 PM
Quote from: Lazarus Short on February 13, 2013, 04:57:40 PM
Dante?  Reminds me of this song from Orb, an album by Boiled in Lead, the original Celtic-punk band (not Flogging Molly or the Drop Kick Murphy's):

Who says you have to leave the country to hear a foreign language?  I think I've seen all those words before, somewhere, maybe ... but I Know I haven't seen this configuration before.  Is it English?

eaglesway

#8
February 13, 2013, 07:17:04 PM
Quote from: VineBranch on February 13, 2013, 05:14:48 AM
Can you imagine the look on the bill collector's face at hell's door trying to get the last payment for the bill.

Come on in my friend, have a seat for a moment while I look for my check book :o)
The Logos is complete, but it is not completely understood. http://www.hell-is-a-myth.webs.com/

ded2daworld

#9
February 13, 2013, 07:20:23 PM
Close to what I tell my bill collectors - "Abandon all hope of collection, ye who enter here." :laughing7:

eaglesway

#10
February 13, 2013, 07:24:59 PM
You can check in anytime you like, but you can never leave.
The Logos is complete, but it is not completely understood. http://www.hell-is-a-myth.webs.com/

Lazarus Short

#11
February 13, 2013, 07:47:10 PM
Quote from: VineBranch on February 13, 2013, 06:18:53 PM

Who says you have to leave the country to hear a foreign language?  I think I've seen all those words before, somewhere, maybe ... but I Know I haven't seen this configuration before.  Is it English?

The band is from Minneapolis, but there was a former member of the English band 3 Mustaphas 3 (my all-time fave) on Orb.
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

YHVH = Behold the Nail, Behold the Hand = Jesus

VineBranch

#12
February 13, 2013, 09:50:20 PM
Quote from: Lazarus Short on February 13, 2013, 07:47:10 PM
Quote from: VineBranch on February 13, 2013, 06:18:53 PM

Who says you have to leave the country to hear a foreign language?  I think I've seen all those words before, somewhere, maybe ... but I Know I haven't seen this configuration before.  Is it English?

The band is from Minneapolis, but there was a former member of the English band 3 Mustaphas 3 (my all-time fave) on Orb.

:laugh:

What I find absolutely intriguing is that that serves as an explanation.  You kill me Laz. :laughing7:

Lazarus Short

#13
February 13, 2013, 10:02:30 PM
Quote from: VineBranch on February 13, 2013, 09:50:20 PM
Quote from: Lazarus Short on February 13, 2013, 07:47:10 PM
Quote from: VineBranch on February 13, 2013, 06:18:53 PM

Who says you have to leave the country to hear a foreign language?  I think I've seen all those words before, somewhere, maybe ... but I Know I haven't seen this configuration before.  Is it English?

The band is from Minneapolis, but there was a former member of the English band 3 Mustaphas 3 (my all-time fave) on Orb.

:laugh:

What I find absolutely intriguing is that that serves as an explanation.  You kill me Laz. :laughing7:

I'm intrigued too - what were you getting at?  I answered on my best guess as to what you were going on about, but re-reading it, I'm not so sure...  Clue me in, please:  is what English?
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

YHVH = Behold the Nail, Behold the Hand = Jesus

VineBranch

#14
February 14, 2013, 04:23:26 AM
Quote from: eaglesway on February 13, 2013, 07:24:59 PM
You can check in anytime you like, but you can never leave.

Quoting the Eagles, nice Eagle.

VineBranch

#15
February 14, 2013, 04:33:59 AM
Quote from: Lazarus Short on February 13, 2013, 10:02:30 PM
I'm intrigued too - what were you getting at?  I answered on my best guess as to what you were going on about, but re-reading it, I'm not so sure...  Clue me in, please:  is what English?

"Boiled in Lead, the original Celtic-punk band (not Flogging Molly or the Drop Kick Murphy's)..."


When I say that phrase out load to myself, I sound like one of the adults in a Charlie Brown cartoon.  No offense intended, I was just admiring your knowledge of the au current.

Pst ... You're talking to someone who thinks Tchaikovsky is modern.  To me Alban Berg is post modern, avant garde, futuristic; I equate him with rap.  :LH:

reFORMer

#16
February 14, 2013, 06:33:31 AM
In case you haven't heard it, try Webern's Violin Concerto (it may be called #1.)  It opens up something special.  I think you might like it.

VineBranch

#17
February 14, 2013, 06:56:58 AM
Quote from: reFORMer on February 14, 2013, 06:33:31 AM
In case you haven't heard it, try Webern's Violin Concerto (it may be called #1.)  It opens up something special.  I think you might like it.

Is that the one were Webern conducts Bergs conceto ... called ... (I think) Memory to an Angel?

reFORMer

#18
February 14, 2013, 08:50:15 AM
Quote from: VineBranch on February 14, 2013, 06:56:58 AM
Quote from: reFORMer on February 14, 2013, 06:33:31 AM
In case you haven't heard it, try Webern's Violin Concerto (it may be called #1.)  It opens up something special.  I think you might like it.

Is that the one were Webern conducts Bergs conceto ... called ... (I think) Memory to an Angel?

My responder is blank.  The vacancy sign is blinking.

VineBranch

#19
February 14, 2013, 04:54:47 PM
Quote from: reFORMer on February 14, 2013, 08:50:15 AM
Quote from: VineBranch on February 14, 2013, 06:56:58 AM
Quote from: reFORMer on February 14, 2013, 06:33:31 AM
In case you haven't heard it, try Webern's Violin Concerto (it may be called #1.)  It opens up something special.  I think you might like it.

Is that the one were Webern conducts Bergs conceto ... called ... (I think) Memory to an Angel?

My responder is blank.  The vacancy sign is blinking.

Isn't that the opening line of Wozzeck?

Lazarus Short

#20
February 14, 2013, 05:08:46 PM Last Edit: February 14, 2013, 11:14:08 PM by Lazarus Short
Quote from: VineBranch on February 14, 2013, 04:33:59 AM


When I say that phrase out load to myself, I sound like one of the adults in a Charlie Brown cartoon.  No offense intended, I was just admiring your knowledge of the au current.

Pst ... You're talking to someone who thinks Tchaikovsky is modern.  To me Alban Berg is post modern, avant garde, futuristic; I equate him with rap.  :LH:

Tchaikovsky IS modern.  Take me back to the Italian Baroque!  But who is Alban Berg?  Between yours and Reformer's comments, my head is spinning.  Wozzeck?  Wuzzat??
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

YHVH = Behold the Nail, Behold the Hand = Jesus

reFORMer

#21
February 15, 2013, 07:45:45 AM
Quote from: Lazarus Short on February 14, 2013, 05:08:46 PM
  But who is Alban Berg?  Between yours and Reformer's comments, my head is spinning.  Wozzeck?  Wuzzat??

Generally there are 12 tones used in western music.  In the earlier and mid 20th Century Schoenberg proposed all tones should be stated before any one is repeated.  This line of tones can be divided in 2 6's, 3 4's, 4 3's, etc.  As a line of tones in a "series" it has been referred to as "Serial Music."  As a rule for composition it is also called "The Dodecaphonic Theory" (dodeca meaning 12.)  Alban Berg Extended the idea to include not repeating the use of an instrument before all the rest of them had sounded.  His stuff is rather exacting, with a Spartan sensibility.

This dissonant music is very much of the intellect, must be studied to be appreciated and is an acquired taste.  It is difficult for even trained musicians to sympathetically listen to it for a prolonged time.  While over-popular within musical Academia for 40 or more years, there have been almost no true masters of the form who could communicate in ways that utilize the musical language in most hearers heads. 

Webern, whose Violin Concerto I commended, is called the "Romantic' Serial composer.  He seems more musically successful than most using this model.  Wozzek is his opera about people who go insane.

jabcat

#22
February 15, 2013, 08:29:13 AM
I like Willie Nelson.
The oldest known manuscripts agree with each other 99% of the time.  The scriptures, accurately translated, Spirit revealed - reliable.   Looking unto Jesus, the Author and Finisher of our faith.  Heb. 12:2

reFORMer

#23
February 15, 2013, 08:49:55 AM Last Edit: February 15, 2013, 08:55:50 AM by reFORMer
Quote from: jabcat on February 15, 2013, 08:29:13 AM
I like Willie Nelson.

Me too.  I like "Nine Inch Nails."  Bob Dylan is a great songwriter.  It's too vast a topic.

We need Christian dance music that sounds like Madonna, Michael Jackson and Lady Gaga.  Trance needs to be wed with Truth.  Spacey electronica worship music...

Lazarus Short

#24
February 15, 2013, 05:01:46 PM
Quote from: reFORMer on February 15, 2013, 08:49:55 AM
Quote from: jabcat on February 15, 2013, 08:29:13 AM
I like Willie Nelson.

Me too.  I like "Nine Inch Nails."  Bob Dylan is a great songwriter.  It's too vast a topic.

We need Christian dance music that sounds like Madonna, Michael Jackson and Lady Gaga.  Trance needs to be wed with Truth.  Spacey electronica worship music...

I remember way back when Bob Dylan became a Christian, a Lutheran lady I worked with at the time said, "Oh, that's nice!  Now I wish someone would save his voice!"

I confess, reFORMer, that I listen to everything from Bach to System of a Down, but there is music that I loathe - rap, a lot of pop, C&W, well most of it, but there are always exceptions.

Is anyone else here a fan of the Christian band Seawind?  Some of their songs inspire me, and others bring me to tears...but that's how it goes with a great message and great musicianship.
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

YHVH = Behold the Nail, Behold the Hand = Jesus
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