The Kingdom

[arcticmonster2003]

quote Molly

Right now I'm looking into portable solar generators.

:laughing7: I thought this was adorable Molly, but in my opinion, the faster we quit using the things of this world as "crutches" instead of relying solely on God the faster we shall see the Kingdom. Now if God told you to buy solar generators, that is one thing and you should get some right now, but since you have said you are just looking into them, I am assuming you have not been commanded by God to get some. We must cease from our works, IMO, especially in areas where we set up "idols" in which we place real faith in, in our hearts. Here is the test for us when deciding upon things such as emergency supplies - when the disaster strikes - are we going to place faith in those emergency supplies to save us? (and if not, then why did we buy them?)
Yeah, I know God helps those who help themselves, but actually this way of thinking is not in accordance with the Bible, actually God helps those who serve him in Truth and humility and trust in him.
I am getting to the point these days, that unless God commands me to buy emergency supplies, I won't,  its kind of like this right now for me: Gods will be done for me, if it be death, then great, if it be life, then great. I actually believe I shall suffer greater if I do not completely submit my fate to his hands. (of course, if given a mental examination, they might declare me clinically insane  :laughing7:  :laugh2:)

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: AC, I hear you and I'm SO with you on that last part, especially...... :laughing7:

[Molly]

I had NO commitments to anything but to ask Him what He wanted to do for that day, one day at a time, obey Him, and watch the miraculous happen.

well yes but why can't we live like that all the time, every day of the week?

[Molly]

I am getting to the point these days, that unless God commands me to buy emergency supplies, I won't,  ....

if he tells you, I hope you'll tell me... :grin:

[Molly]

..., but actually this way of thinking is not in accordance with the Bible,..

what about the story of Joseph who laid up stores for all those years of famine?

[arcticmonster2003]

I guess the real question about Joseph is whether or not the 7 good years and the 7 bad years left part of the interpretation of the dream a command from God to store during the good years. Joseph was the one whom interpreted the dream, perhaps the storing of the grain was part of the interpretation, but even if it were not, like I said, right now, if it is Gods will for me to die, I'll die, if not then I won't, I have peace with both. But this I do know, whether in "death" or life - - there is life, and God is a rewarder of those who serve him.

quote Molly

well yes but why can't we live like that all the time, every day of the week?

Are you kidding? I am being pulled apart with commitments from my family, job, appointments everyday. And it would be evil of me in Gods eyes to quit my job, family, ect... as this is what he has given me to do for right now, so for now I labor with the task at hand, I can only do what God tells me to do, I can't just go and sacrifice my son on the alter to "prove my faith" as God hasn't asked me to do this, and you know what he would say if I did? He say, why did you kill your son, I never asked you to do that, now your going to prison, don't blame me! I can't remove these commitments anymore than I could turn one hair on my head grey, only God can lift this, and when he sets me free, then I shall be free indeed. I just serve humble, doing the things he has set for me to do, awaiting good things, knowing God is a rewarder of those who serve him.

[Molly]

No I don't mean leave your current commitments. I mean walk through every day with God, all day long.

Obviously, you are in the place he wants you to be right now, raising a family, etc.

But, since I started staying with him all day long, my life has changed dramatically.

[Molly]

16Rejoice evermore.

17Pray without ceasing.

18In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.



23And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

--1 Thessolonians 5

[arcticmonster2003]

Yeah, Molly, I do understand what you are saying about being with him all the time. Actually is wasn't even a year ago when, God gave me the "gift of hunger" (I don't remember reading about this one in the bible but shall assure all it is a real gift) for him day and night. I can say honestly that this hunger is not of me, but was a gift, and happened instantly. And in the same instant I saw myself as an eternal being. Though I have always sought God here and there, since that moment my life has been consumed with God. So, yes, we can live like this everyday, but I shall venture to say, only if God has given this hunger to us, its not like someone can just decide one day that God is from now on going to consume their entire life.
But I still have a hunger for better things, and every once in a while I can almost grasp the reality, that is the Kingdom of God. (and its different than my life right now).

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: That's awesome. I wonder if that was what He was leading up to when He showed me the strength of desire when I was on what turned out to be a 32 day fast. Hmmm....

[Kept]

Yep that is us, the fanatics that cant stand not talking about God and the Kingdom!

We really have a wonderful fellowship online and this affords us really fast growth.

I will go listen to a meeting everyonce in a while or a ur preacher and there is nothing out there that I hear that we havent been discussing for some time. Honestly it spoils you cause when you go to meetings they are all excited about something new but its the stuff you live talking about all the time day in and day out.

We really are spoiled haha

love you all
kept

[Molly]

I love this earth.  Put me in a pasture with horses and I'm in heaven.  A walk or ride through the woods is my idea of paradise.  God made this earth for me.

Do I think he could improve on it, on his original creation?  Possibly.  But, do I need a change  to be in bliss?  No.  One of his sunsets over the ocean, and I'm a goner.  He puts on a big show for me every day, birds, chipmunks, my dog, green fields going to the horizon, snow outlining the tree branches at night, what could be better?

So--what is this 'new' earth?  I'm skeptical it could be an improvement... :msealed:

:grin:

[Kept]

Molly I loved your post and its wonderful to hear you living your life so passionately and not be so wrapped up in waiting for something that you miss life and let it pass you by.

kept

[SeekerSA]

Hi ATM

Nice thread.  You have a POV of a future kingdom which is OK but I see the kingdom as already established, just not revealed to all yet, so in essence, the POV is the same.

If we look at the B-A texts, it talks about seeing and entering the Kingdom.

I believe, once we go through the process in this life, we can already see and enter into the Kingdom.  We still hope for the full kingdom to be established either literally or spiritually.

The one is merely a continuation of What Jesus has already established 2000 years ago.

Blessings

[arcticmonster2003]

Yes SeekerSA, in essence the POV is the same. For it it entails a "new reality" to be realized, I think there is a very good reason these 2 things go hand in hand - to see the Kingdom, to enter the Kingdom. There are just so many layers of "false reality" that are being peeled away right now. I also see the Kingdom as being established, in fact, and I agree, even since the crucifixion of Christ, and I see us, for now, being in the outer darkness, or the "outskirts" of it, not yet seeing what is before our eyes.(though for some of us, we are no longer way out there in the outer darkness, but approaching the Holy City, it is on the horizon)

Yes, we do hope for the time, when all see/have entered the Kingdom.

[arcticmonster2003]

I thought I would add some scripture to show what I was saying in some of my writing earlier

quote (myself) arcticmonster2003

I guess the real question about Joseph is whether or not the 7 good years and the 7 bad years left part of the interpretation of the dream a command from God to store during the good years. Joseph was the one whom interpreted the dream, perhaps the storing of the grain was part of the interpretation, but even if it were not, like I said, right now, if it is Gods will for me to die, I'll die, if not then I won't, I have peace with both. But this I do know, whether in "death" or life - - there is life, and God is a rewarder of those who serve him.

liken that statement to this one, and it is easily understood

Daniel 3:16  Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, answered and said to the king, O Nebuchadnezzar, we are not careful to answer thee in this matter.
17  If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king.
18  But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Yep, that sums it up in a nutshell. That's good AC. Blessings to you......

[Molly]

THE YEAR OF THE LORD'S FAVOR



14And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.

15And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.

16And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

17And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

18The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

19To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

20And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

21And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.




14 Then Jesus returned to Galilee, filled with the Holy Spirit's power. Reports about him spread quickly through the whole region. 15 He taught regularly in their synagogues and was praised by everyone.
16 When he came to the village of Nazareth, his boyhood home, he went as usual to the synagogue on the Sabbath and stood up to read the Scriptures. 17 The scroll of Isaiah the prophet was handed to him. He unrolled the scroll and found the place where this was written:

18 "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
      for he has anointed me to bring Good News to the poor.
   He has sent me to proclaim that captives will be released,
      that the blind will see,
   that the oppressed will be set free,
      19 and that the time of the Lord's favor has come."

20 He rolled up the scroll, handed it back to the attendant, and sat down. All eyes in the synagogue looked at him intently. 21 Then he began to speak to them. "The Scripture you've just heard has been fulfilled this very day!"






"acceptable"
H7522

râtsôn  râtsôn
raw-tsone', raw-tsone'
From H7521; delight: - (be) acceptable (-ance, -ed), delight, desire, favour, (good) pleasure, (own, self, voluntary) will, as . . . (what) would.

[Molly]

What is the LORD's delight, desire, good pleasure, favor, will?



18 "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
      for he has anointed me to bring Good News to the poor.
   He has sent me to proclaim that captives will be released,
      that the blind will see,
  that the oppressed will be set free,--Isaiah 62


If this is what the LORD wants, why doesn't he just do it?

Why?

Could it be ...he's waiting on you?


...for he has anointed me ...



Matthew 3:2
And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.




"is at hand"

G1448

eggizō
eng-id'-zo
From G1451; to make near, that is, (reflexively) approach: - approach, be at hand, come (draw) near, be (come, draw) nigh.



...thy kingdom come, [thy good pleasure be done], on earth as it is in heaven.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Actually, it reads, "IN earth".........I have always loved the Lord's prayer, but never more so until He showed me He's had us praying for the fullness to come in us for 2 thousand years, when we didn't even know it, LOL......He is so funny........Blessings to you....... :HeartThrob:

[Molly]

Yes, Amen!  It's both! (because if it is in our earth it will be on the earth,)



Matthew 6:10
Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.


"in"
G1909

epi
ep-ee'
A primary preposition properly meaning superimposition (of time, place, order, etc.), as a relation of distribution [with the genitive case], that is, over, upon, etc.; of rest (with the dative case) at, on, etc.; of direction (with the accusative case) towards, upon, etc.: - about (the times), above, after, against, among, as long as (touching), at, beside, X have charge of, (be-, [where-]) fore, in (a place, as much as, the time of, -to), (because) of, (up-) on (behalf of) over, (by, for) the space of, through (-out), (un-) to (-ward), with. In compounds it retains essentially the same import, at, upon, etc. (literally or figuratively).

[Molly]

It's just beautiful!


sou basileia erchomai sou thelēma ginomai epi gē hōs en ouranos



sou thy, of thee

basileia   royalty, rule, a realm, a kingdom

erchomai  come, appear, enter


sou  thy, of thee

thelēma  determination, purpose, desire, pleasure, will

ginomai to cause to be, to come into being, be brought to pass, be done


epi  over, upon, on, in, towards, through

gē  soil, globe, country, earth, land, world


hōs  in the manner, as soon as, as it had been, as it were, in that manner

en   denoting fixed position, in, at, on, by

ouranos  (through the idea of elevation) the sky, heaven (as the abode of God), by implication happiness, power, eternity, specifically  The Gospel

[Molly]

Oh, Lord, spread your good pleasure from heaven everywhere upon the earth, in the same manner as you did with your son, Lord Jesus.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Amen!

[Molly]

Let thy royalty appear!

Let thy good pleasure be done!

Throughout the world!

In the same manner as it was done by Jesus!