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redhotmagma

Here is what I started yesterday:

1)  Feasts

Exodus 23
"Three times a year you shall celebrate a feast to Me. 15"You shall observe the Feast of Unleavened Bread; for seven days you are to eat unleavened bread, as I commanded you, at the appointed time in the month Abib, for in it you came out of Egypt. And none shall appear before Me empty-handed. 16"Also you shall observe the Feast of the Harvest of the first fruits of your labors from what you sow in the field; also the Feast of the Ingathering at the end of the year when you gather in the fruit of your labors from the field. 17"Three times a year all your males shall appear before the Lord GOD.

These were natural rehearsals for spiritual reality, the harvests are a pattern, they are a timeline.  One of the layers of this pattern are the resurrections (the harvest is plentiful but the workers are few)

(note the 3 harvests, or orders)
1Cr 15:20 NASB - But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep.
1Cr 15:21 NASB - For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead.
1Cr 15:22 NASB - For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
1Cr 15:23 NASB - But each in his own order (a military term for squadron): (1)Christ the first fruits, after that (2)those who are Christ's at His coming,
1Cr 15:24 NASB – (3)then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.

Passover signifies being baptized into His death.  Going from bondage to freedom, death to life.  Passover is at the barley harvest; it's the 14th day of the 1st month.  The months were counted from when the barley ripened.  It was the first harvest of the year.  The sheaf of first fruits was waived on the day after the Sabbath after Passover, aka resurrection Sunday. 

The bread to be baked was unleavened, without sin.  The Passover lamb was "the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world".

The next harvest was at Pentecost 50 days later.  This is when Israel went to the fiery mountain and was supposed to go up and receive the law directly from God.  They said "no, Moses you go for us, lest we die".  And so instead of receiving the law written on their hearts as the disciples did in the upper room, as fire came down on their heads, they received the law written on stone.

2Cr 3:2 NASB - You are our letter, written in our hearts, known and read by all men;
2Cr 3:3 NASB - being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.
2Cr 3:4 NASB - Such confidence we have through Christ toward God.
2Cr 3:5 NASB - Not that we are adequate in ourselves to consider anything as coming from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God,
2Cr 3:6 NASB - who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
2Cr 3:7 NASB - But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was,
2Cr 3:8 NASB - how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory?

1Cr 15:56 NASB - The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law; (the letter kills)

Jesus is asked about the greatest commandments :

37And He said to him, " 'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.' 38"This is the great and foremost commandment. 39"The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' 40"On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.".
(the word depend is also used of Jesus hanging on the cross, it is better translated hang, as all other instances describe something hanging.  Jesus on the cross, a millstone around the neck, the serpent on Paul's hand.)

Col 2:14 NASB - having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

The cross has a vertical pole that signifies "Love God", and the horizontal "Love Others".  The law in stone was nailed to the cross, the letter hung in his body.  It was buried in the ground (unless the seed falls to the ground and dies), and the Spirit was poured out on that seed and given life, when He was harvested as the firstfruit over all of creation.

The third feast is the feast of tabernacles.  Israel was supposed to enter into the promised land at the time of tabernacles.  The spies went into Canaan and saw giants in the land and were afraid and gave a bad report.  Only Joshua and Caleb said they should go in.  They were the only 2 out of all the adults of Israel that were alive at that time to enter in 40 years later (at the feast of tabernacles).  Moses could not enter in.  Moses represents the Old Covenant aka the ministry of condemnation:

2Cr 3:9 NASB - For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory.
2Cr 3:10 NASB - For indeed what had glory, in this case has no glory because of the glory that surpasses it.
2Cr 3:11 NASB - For if that which fades away was with glory, much more that which remains is in glory.
2Cr 3:12 NASB - Therefore having such a hope, we use great boldness in our speech,
2Cr 3:13 NASB - and are not like Moses, who used to put a veil over his face so that the sons of Israel would not look intently at the end of what was fading away.

Moses was allowed to view the promised land and died up on Mt. Nebo.  Joshua took over as leader of the people and led them into the promised land.  Jesus' name in Hebrew was Yeshua, which is the same word as Joshua.

(Continue with Tabernacles)
Summary of Harvests:
1) Barley Harvest: of 1st month: Leaving Egypt
   1Passover : lambs blood on lintel 14th day
      -Jesus death, blood on our lintel (head and hands), death to bondage-
      -Justified
2Feast of Unleavened bread 15th day
   -leaven=sin, Jesus was the sinless bread
   3Firstfruits offering, the wave sheaf 16th day
   -Christ is the firstfruits of those who sleep, If the firstfruits is holy the        entire lump, root, harvest is holy Rom 11:16
2) Wheat Harvest: Receiving Law
   4Pentecost: 50 days after Sabaath, 7 weeks +1 for day of Firstfruits
      Bread is baked with leaven as a Firstfruits offering
-   Holy Spirit came down on Disciples, Birthed the Church,
-   New Covenant put into effect
-   Leavened bread we are with sin still, but being
-   Sanctified
3) Fruit(grape) Harvest: 7th month: Receiving Inheritance/Entering Promised Land
   5Feast of Trumpets: 1st day
      -In a moment in a twinkling of an eye at the last trumpet
   6Day of Atonement: 10th day
      -Sin wiped clean
   7Feast of Tabernacles: 15th day
      -Glorious body


WhiteWings

Quote from: redhotmagma on August 16, 2012, 05:12:23 AM
Here is what I started yesterday:

1)  Feasts

Exodus 23
"Three times a year you shall celebrate a feast to Me. 15"You shall observe the Feast of Unleavened Bread; for seven days you are to eat unleavened bread, as I commanded you, at the appointed time in the month Abib, for in it you came out of Egypt. And none shall appear before Me empty-handed. 16"Also you shall observe the Feast of the Harvest of the first fruits of your labors from what you sow in the field; also the Feast of the Ingathering at the end of the year when you gather in the fruit of your labors from the field. 17"Three times a year all your males shall appear before the Lord GOD.

These were natural rehearsals for spiritual reality, the harvests are a pattern, they are a timeline.  One of the layers of this pattern are the resurrections (the harvest is plentiful but the workers are few)

(note the 3 harvests, or orders)
1Cr 15:20 NASB - But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep.
1Cr 15:21 NASB - For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead.
1Cr 15:22 NASB - For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
1Cr 15:23 NASB - But each in his own order (a military term for squadron): (1)Christ the first fruits, after that (2)those who are Christ's at His coming,
1Cr 15:24 NASB – (3)then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.

Passover signifies being baptized into His death.  Going from bondage to freedom, death to life.
There is a parallel between the Jews crossing the Jordan and Jesus triumphal entry.
http://tentmaker.org/forum/lounge/development-of-an-unborn-baby-compared-to-jewish-feasts/msg130214/#msg130214


QuotePassover is at the barley harvest; it's the 14th day of the 1st month.
This gets complicated.... :-)
Passover over is on the 15th using sunset-sunset reckoning which was used only for holy days.
It's on the same day 14th using sunrise-sunrise reckoning.... :-(
The harvest was not on that day.
It's open for debate when the harvest started:
- After the Omer/wave sheaf was presented to God?
- The night before when the priests - after dark - did cut the first barley they prepared during night.
Basicly the same day depending on the counting method used.
Imo the Barley was cut when during Jesus' 2nd night in the tomb


QuoteThe months were counted from when the barley ripened.
They (tried to) sow the barley 70 days before harvest.


 
QuoteIt was the first harvest of the year.  The sheaf of first fruits was waived on the day after the Sabbath after Passover, aka resurrection Sunday.
Sheaf is a Christian word. A wrong word imo.
Jews call it a omer. It's a measurement like litre and gallon.
It isn't waved but lifted up (vertically)
It wasn't a sheaf but a bowl of parched barley.
The kernels were beaten out of the sheaf in such a way they kernels were undamaged.
Connection to??? (Isa 42:3) A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment to truth.

Then they were sifted.
Then, IIRC, put a perforated tube and roasted/parched over fire.
The result was offered to God.

In my way of counting Omer was on the 17th.
Impossible on Friday-Sunday schedule. So whatever you write be prepared for very negative feedback....

Note: The whole crucifixion day has very strong parallels with the offerings. (I posted a diagram elsewhere)


QuoteThe bread to be baked was unleavened, without sin.  The Passover lamb was "the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world".
Not sure leaven can be equated to sin.
Imo the Last Supper was leavened bread. So are the two loaves presented to God on Pentecost.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

WhiteWings

BTW the first unleavened bread day:
(Exod 12:39) And they baked unleavened cakes of the dough which they brought forth out of Egypt, for it was not leavened, because they were thrust out of Egypt, and could not tarry, neither had they prepared for themselves any provisions.



1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

WhiteWings

Quote from: redhotmagma on August 16, 2012, 05:12:23 AM
These were natural rehearsals for spiritual reality, the harvests are a pattern, they are a timeline.  One of the layers of this pattern are the resurrections (the harvest is plentiful but the workers are few)
Or none at all...

The Jews entered Israel and had plenty to eat. They recieved the fruits of the harvest in the promised land without any farming.
Hidden refernce to Sabbath and Jubilee years.
Spiritually speaking who are the workers?
Whou benefit withoutout being a worker?
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

WhiteWings

1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

redhotmagma

Quote from: WhiteWings on August 16, 2012, 05:11:23 AM
Quote from: redhotmagma on August 16, 2012, 04:53:44 AM
I have a feeling its going to turn into a book.  Its so hard to get the points across without making it long.
I'm sure it can be condesed into half. That's usally the case. But the risk of doing so is that only the readers who already have a firm graps on patterns will understand.

Maybe start the book with a very condensed version with references to page numbers that give general explanation followed by a very in depth one.....?


I was going to start with basically a spreadsheet like I attached.  Then I have 5 sections.
1) The shadow: the whole OT is a shadow, an overview of feasts, and the temple.
2) The pattern: this section is about the temple, the 3 sections, the veils, the ark etc., eden
3) The image: this is the ark, and the cherubim
4) The mystery: The veils, coverings, secret hidden
5) The unveiling: The man of sin, the beast, lucifer.  The man of heaven, Christ in you, Sons of God

Each of the sections will have their own spreadsheet with the words being used in that section.  I think that way the interconnections can be seen between the different topics, which are all really part of the same topic.

WhiteWings

Ok, clear.

Question, why you only define, for example, image in Greek and not in Hebrew?

2993 רָז (rāz) secret. A Persian loan word, translated in the lxx, rather naturally, by the Greek mysterion.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

redhotmagma

Because I never used it in one of those 3 papers because I was trying to keep them short.  That is one of the words that I still was going to add.  Right now I'm trying to write an outline, which is what I posted.  I hit a wall on the harvests, because there's so much there, and they are so important to the grand narrative, I decided to ask for help, which is out of character for me :)

WhiteWings

Quote from: WhiteWings on August 16, 2012, 05:46:17 AMSheaf is a Christian word. A wrong word imo.
Jews call it a omer. It's a measurement like litre and gallon.
No details on this one. Names of the measurement likely are wrong....
Somewhere in the OT is a verse of a woman being carried in/on a bowl/plate.
Meaning she's lifted up.
The measurement of that bowl was called epath (?)
Omer is a tenth of that epath.
A tithe?
Omer is a tenth of a human?

I just wonder if there is some pattern here that's might be useful for your book.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

reFORMer

Quote from: redhotmagma on August 16, 2012, 07:40:29 AM
I hit a wall on the harvests, because there's so much there...
Me too...in fact, there seems to be so much in a lot of places...well, I'm at a loss of words because there is so much to be said...sometimes you just want THE PRESENCE...

(I don't mean to interupt.)

redhotmagma

Quote from: reFORMer on August 16, 2012, 04:53:20 PM
Quote from: redhotmagma on August 16, 2012, 07:40:29 AM
I hit a wall on the harvests, because there's so much there...
Me too...in fact, there seems to be so much in a lot of places...well, I'm at a loss of words because there is so much to be said...sometimes you just want THE PRESENCE...

(I don't mean to interupt.)

:thumbsup:
No interruption whatsoever

redhotmagma

Quote from: WhiteWings on August 15, 2012, 11:03:56 PM
Gregorian dates are 2012/2013 dates. They vary each year because the Jews use a very different calendar.
Originally 12x29.5=354days plus leap months.
Current calculated calendar in unScriptual and slowly drifts from the true calendar. Not really important for what you asked. Just mentioning it in case people start using it for detailed calculations.....
On the Gregorian calendar festivals seem to last one day longer. That's because the sunset/sunset reckoning.


Jewish name(s): Rosh Hashanah
Christian name(s): Jewish New Year. Feast of Trumpets
Gregorian date:16-18 September
Jewish date: Tishri 1 and 2
Meaning/facts/events/ceremonies:
I think this festival is a Babylonian festival. It's not commanded by God.
- Likely Jesus and Adam were born/created on Tishri 1
- No man knows the hour



Jewish name(s): Yom Kippur
Christian name(s):Day of Atonement
Gregorian date: September 25–26
Jewish date:Tishri 10
Meaning/facts/events/ceremonies:
Most holy Jewish day of the year.
The Jubilee year was officially announced on that day. (Lev 25:9)



Jewish name(s): Sukkot
Christian name(s): Feast of booths
Gregorian date:
Jewish date: Tishrei 15-21
Meaning/facts/events/ceremonies:
People ate in a hut made of (willow) twigs for 7 days.
Last of the 7 days is called Day of great salvation.
(Tishri 1-21 are judgement days)
http://www.lchaimweekly.org/cgi-bin/calendar?holiday=tishrei7010201


Jewish name(s): Simchat Torah
Christian name(s): Rejoicing the Torah
Gregorian date: Oktober 8-9
Jewish date:
Meaning/facts/events/ceremonies:
Luke 4:15-21 Jesus offically starts His ministry. Or at least announces it offically.


Jewish name(s): Hanukkah/Dedication
Christian name(s): Festival of Lights
Gregorian date: December 8-16
Jewish date: Kislev 25-...
Meaning/facts/events/ceremonies:
8 day festival.
Possible conception of Jesus.
http://www.colelchabad.org/Chanukah.bp?gclid=CJD_29iN6rECFUdvfAodmzgAWg


Jewish name(s): Pesha
Christian name(s): Easter/Passover
Gregorian date:
Jewish date: Nissan 15
Meaning/facts/events/ceremonies:
Jesus' first night in the tomb.
Jews left Egypt.


Jewish name(s):
Christian name(s): First Fruits
Gregorian date:
Jewish date: Nisan 17th
Meaning/facts/events/ceremonies:
Presenting the Omer.
Wave Sheaf.
Jesus resurrected.


Jewish name(s): Shavout
Christian name(s): Pentecost
Gregorian date: 7 weeks after Fiirst Fruits
Jewish date: Sivan 6
Meaning/facts/events/ceremonies:
Jews recieved the Torah.
Holy flames.




You forgot unleavened bread. 

I don't think trumpets is a babylonian feast. 

The pattern is there.  7 feasts total.  3 harvest times.  3 at barley harvest, 1 at wheat (which is at the 7x7), 3 at grape. 

If trumpets isn't correct thats left with 6 feasts.   It says a solemn assembly, I can't imagine they don't eat.  But you are correct I think, its not ever mentioned as "have a feast", at least that I'm aware of.

redhotmagma

Quote from: WhiteWings on August 16, 2012, 02:21:42 AM
Simchat Torah - Rejoicing the Torah.

(Luke 4:14) And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.
(Luke 4:15) And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
(Luke 4:16) And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
(Luke 4:17) And there was delivered to him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
(Luke 4:18) The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he has sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
(Luke 4:19) To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
(Luke 4:20) And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
(Luke 4:21) And he began to say to them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

The red part is misleading. It's not custom for the public to read. One exception is the day of Simchat Torah on which regular people were allowed to read a few verses aloud.
This custom/bit of info pinpoints the exact month and day of that event/set of verses. All books were read in a certain order. I can look up more info but the cycle is called something like trimenial cycle. That narrows down teh possible year.
This is my hobby horse... :-)
Verse 1-13 is about satan testing Jesus 40 days in the wilderness. No exact date line (in Luke) but it seems to indicate baptism, wilderderness and the reading the verse have taken place in a short timespan.

What day is simchat Torah?  I heard that traveling rabbi's were allowed to read at synagogues, but that brings up the whole question of was Jesus actually a "Rabbi" according to the jews.

When I was reading that passage btw, I saw when Jesus went and preached to the spirits in prison.  What else would he be saying and doing on the Sabbath while He slept?

WhiteWings

Quote from: redhotmagma on August 16, 2012, 08:57:14 PM
You forgot unleavened bread.
I'll add it to the list. I posted about it but will add a few things to this 7 day feast.

QuoteI don't think trumpets is a babylonian feast. 


The pattern is there.  7 feasts total.  3 harvest times.  3 at barley harvest, 1 at wheat (which is at the 7x7), 3 at grape. 

QuoteIf trumpets isn't correct thats left with 6 feasts.   It says a solemn assembly, I can't imagine they don't eat.
What do you mean by 'not eat'?

 
QuoteBut you are correct I think, its not ever mentioned as "have a feast", at least that I'm aware of.
There are 2 groups of feasts. Just feasts and 3 feasts that required all aadult males to be present in the Temple
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

WhiteWings

Quote from: redhotmagma on August 16, 2012, 09:08:58 PM
Quote from: WhiteWings on August 16, 2012, 02:21:42 AM
Simchat Torah - Rejoicing the Torah.

(Luke 4:14) And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.
(Luke 4:15) And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
(Luke 4:16) And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
(Luke 4:17) And there was delivered to him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
(Luke 4:18) The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he has sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
(Luke 4:19) To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
(Luke 4:20) And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
(Luke 4:21) And he began to say to them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

The red part is misleading. It's not custom for the public to read. One exception is the day of Simchat Torah on which regular people were allowed to read a few verses aloud.
This custom/bit of info pinpoints the exact month and day of that event/set of verses. All books were read in a certain order. I can look up more info but the cycle is called something like trimenial cycle. That narrows down teh possible year.
This is my hobby horse... :-)
Verse 1-13 is about satan testing Jesus 40 days in the wilderness. No exact date line (in Luke) but it seems to indicate baptism, wilderderness and the reading the verse have taken place in a short timespan.

What day is simchat Torah?
You mean the Hebrew date or day of the week?
QuoteI heard that traveling rabbi's were allowed to read at synagogues,
I think the key lays in the red words
(Luke 4:17) And there was delivered to him the book of the prophet Esaias
Some clerk passed the scroll around in the audience.
A Rabbi giving a sermon obviously already has a scroll and reads more that 1 verse.
Luke 4:20) And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down

He stands up in verse 16 and sits down again in verse 20. That was all He did that day.
That doesn't sound like giving a whole sermon.

Quotebut that brings up the whole question of was Jesus actually a "Rabbi" according to the jews.
Rabbi is a 'recent' word it seems. Or at least the meaning of the word.
Jesus was likely a sage. But at that point nobody knew Him I think.


QuoteWhen I was reading that passage btw, I saw when Jesus went and preached to the spirits in prison.  What else would he be saying and doing on the Sabbath while He slept?
??? This passage was at teh very start of His ministry. He died years later. Or do you mea something else?
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

redhotmagma

Quote from: WhiteWings on August 16, 2012, 05:46:17 AM
Quote from: redhotmagma on August 16, 2012, 05:12:23 AM
Here is what I started yesterday:

1)  Feasts

Exodus 23
"Three times a year you shall celebrate a feast to Me. 15"You shall observe the Feast of Unleavened Bread; for seven days you are to eat unleavened bread, as I commanded you, at the appointed time in the month Abib, for in it you came out of Egypt. And none shall appear before Me empty-handed. 16"Also you shall observe the Feast of the Harvest of the first fruits of your labors from what you sow in the field; also the Feast of the Ingathering at the end of the year when you gather in the fruit of your labors from the field. 17"Three times a year all your males shall appear before the Lord GOD.

These were natural rehearsals for spiritual reality, the harvests are a pattern, they are a timeline.  One of the layers of this pattern are the resurrections (the harvest is plentiful but the workers are few)

(note the 3 harvests, or orders)
1Cr 15:20 NASB - But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep.
1Cr 15:21 NASB - For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead.
1Cr 15:22 NASB - For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
1Cr 15:23 NASB - But each in his own order (a military term for squadron): (1)Christ the first fruits, after that (2)those who are Christ's at His coming,
1Cr 15:24 NASB – (3)then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.

Passover signifies being baptized into His death.  Going from bondage to freedom, death to life.
There is a parallel between the Jews crossing the Jordan and Jesus triumphal entry.
http://tentmaker.org/forum/lounge/development-of-an-unborn-baby-compared-to-jewish-feasts/msg130214/#msg130214


QuotePassover is at the barley harvest; it's the 14th day of the 1st month.
This gets complicated.... :-)
Passover over is on the 15th using sunset-sunset reckoning which was used only for holy days.
It's on the same day 14th using sunrise-sunrise reckoning.... :-(
The harvest was not on that day.
It's open for debate when the harvest started:
- After the Omer/wave sheaf was presented to God?
- The night before when the priests - after dark - did cut the first barley they prepared during night.
Basicly the same day depending on the counting method used.
Imo the Barley was cut when during Jesus' 2nd night in the tomb
does it say not to harvest until the first fruit is presented, or not to eat?  I think everyone would have started to harvest and present their first fruit also, just not eat yet

QuoteThe months were counted from when the barley ripened.
They (tried to) sow the barley 70 days before harvest.


 
QuoteIt was the first harvest of the year.  The sheaf of first fruits was waived on the day after the Sabbath after Passover, aka resurrection Sunday.
Sheaf is a Christian word. A wrong word imo.
Jews call it a omer. It's a measurement like litre and gallon.
It isn't waved but lifted up (vertically)
It wasn't a sheaf but a bowl of parched barley.
The kernels were beaten out of the sheaf in such a way they kernels were undamaged.
Connection to??? (Isa 42:3) A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment to truth.

Then they were sifted.
Then, IIRC, put a perforated tube and roasted/parched over fire.
The result was offered to God.
:thumbsup:

In my way of counting Omer was on the 17th.
Impossible on Friday-Sunday schedule. So whatever you write be prepared for very negative feedback....

I'm going to probably skip the heavy details of days and hours, unless I end up writing a whole book, which I doubt.  The main point is really to lay out a path for those who don't have a clue about any of this.  UR, and understand who yoU aRe  :LH: are such life changing and  radical concepts to most people, they are unbelievable to most.  So thats why with this "book".
Btw, my only thought on resurrection day is that 8 is new beginnings.  And you mentioned the ark came to rest on the 17th, that would be a sabbath rest I think.  I posted above but I think Jesus preached to those in prison on the sabbath, that doesn't mean it took all day though :)   I don't really have a clue, you have studied it way more than I.  I know that one of the reasons I've come across against the sunday res. is because of the pagan connotations.  I've heard that many of the titles of Jesus were a polemic against emperor worship.  I have a feeling that not only did He fulfill all of the jewish expectations, but He burst through into the gentile realm too.  He was saying "I am the branch you've heard about, I am the Lord, not baal, not osiris, I am the morning star, I am the Sun of Righteousness.  I think the transfiguration being on Mt. Hermon (I know its disputed), the mountain of the gods, was Him making an open show of the powers.

But again I don't know, and the minutia isn't all that important (for this project, at least at this time), because I have a hard enough time staying on track with writing anyway.  But I do think its still worth putting all the minutia together, because its worth having the whole picture to draw from in putting this together.

Note: The whole crucifixion day has very strong parallels with the offerings. (I posted a diagram elsewhere)


QuoteThe bread to be baked was unleavened, without sin.  The Passover lamb was "the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world".
Not sure leaven can be equated to sin.
Imo the Last Supper was leavened bread. So are the two loaves presented to God on Pentecost.
Yeah I'm not sure about it being sin either.  Don't know how to describe it. 

redhotmagma

Quote from: WhiteWings on August 16, 2012, 09:24:40 PM


QuoteWhen I was reading that passage btw, I saw when Jesus went and preached to the spirits in prison.  What else would he be saying and doing on the Sabbath while He slept?
??? This passage was at teh very start of His ministry. He died years later. Or do you mea something else?

The people he read that to at that time were sitting in the shadow of death.  They were under the law, which is the shadow, it is the ministry of death.  This was prophetic of Him preaching to the literally dead spirits in prison 3 years later.

When in the yearly cycle did the day occur?  I don't care so much about the exact date, just in regards to the feasts.


WhiteWings

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