Is The Restitution Of All Things From The Pit?

[FineLinen]

I had an old preacher from Colorado post this to me recently.....
 

Universalism is from the Pit.

Dear Saint Paul, please be advised that the restitution of all things is "from the pit." The ta pavnte of Eph. 1 is evidence of how far you have strayed in your understanding of the Glorious One.

"He has made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him. And you too, who in Him were made heirs, having been chosen beforehand in accordance with the intention of Him whose might carries out in everything the design of His own will." 

This passage of Canon is regarding the whole of created life, the ta panta, "in the absolute sense of the whole of creation, the all things, the universe, and, everything in heaven and earth that is in need of uniting and redeeming." It is not in the limited sense of "nearly all", "pavnte" minus "ta."

"You believe the devil is bigger than God. Your God is about one and half inches high and the devil is one and a half feet high. What you need to do is to change gods and change gods quickly." -John G. Lake- 

[SeekerSA]

Hi FineLinen

Just as an aside, the Lord told be to look up "cast out" in the gospels.

Jesus casts out 2 things.

One is demons

[FineLinen]

Seeker: I fear your thought has escaped my understanding.

Universalism is from the pit.

Dear Isaiah, please be advised that your words regarding the whole earth from end to end coming back to the Lord and worshipping in His Presence is not true, and in fact "from the pit" and not from the Living Life.  :mshock:

"The whole earth, from end to end, will remember and come back to the Lord. Yes, the entire human family will worship in His Presence, for the Eternal reigns, Lord of all nations."

[SeekerSA]

Ok I thought you may make the connection. Staying with the theme.

Dear believer in Christ.

You are so right. Please forgive me for sending my Son to die for your sins and the whole of mankind.  I really thought it was a good idea at the time.  Sorry for all the confusion.

So carry on with your works and misunderstanding of my true intent.  I still love you however.  I just hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me for my endearing Love of my creation.

Love

God

[FineLinen]

A NEW SONG

"And they sung as it were a new song before the throne...and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.."  Revelation 14:3

    There is recorded an event in the book of Job, when "the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy," (Job 38:7). That harmony was muted by sin and the subjection of creation to the bondage of vanity, as the creature became filled with self-will and rebellion. But the deep purging and purifying process results in a new song arising, the song of the ages begins to sing within our hearts again.

"Down in the human heart, crushed by the tempter,

Feelings lie buried that grace can restore,

Touched by a loving heart, wakened by kindness,

Chords that are broken will vibrate once more."
( Crosby )

    "They sing as it were a new song before the throne". It is thrilling to note that the word 'song' is the Greek word for 'an ODE'. An ode isn't the same as a hymn, which is a song written and sung over and over, but an ode is a spontaneous outflow of melody and praise that finds its expression in song by the Spirit's inner prompting. Men can learn hymns, they are written out in notes and words. The unsanctified singer of 'rock and roll music' will also record his album of hymns, to gain money from that realm also. But there is a SONG that the unsanctified cannot sing, for it is not something produced by man, it is the RELEASING OF THE SPIRIT'S MELODY.

    We have carried within us a song that could not be released because of the bars of self-will and carnal rebellion. But the CROSS is canceling out the 'self', and the hour approaches when the last vestige of the threads of that veil shall be torn aside, there shall be an outflow of the Christ within, a new song. The world, long accustomed to the piping and shrieking of their distorted music, negative beats that inflame the bestial passions of the flesh, shall awaken to hear the pure melodies of the harmony of God. Music that will soothe, comfort, and lift into realms of joy and peace. -Ray Prinzing-

[Kept]

WOW Finelinen that last post of yours might be my very favorite of yours  :clapping: :Hi5:

kept

[FineLinen]

Hi there Kept: We had the honour of visiting with Ray Prinzing and his wife Doris a couple of years ago prior to his death in 2005. His life was/ is a testimony to the grace and wisdom of God in all its poikilos colors. His rich writing I hope to present from time to time on these threads.

The breadbox of heaven cannot be exhausted - and you should see his pantry! -Stephen Wilber-
Ray Prinzing Daily Overcoming Devotionals

HERE

Redemption: All In All

HERE

[mercy]

What a lovely thread..... :icon_flower:

I'd also have to add:

dear Jesus,

I am sorry to inform You that you misunderstood My plan when you went to the cross, mistakenly believing that ALL would drawn and dragged unto You and that all the ends of the earth would see the salvation of the Lord.  I know it was for THAT joy set before You that You endured the cross, scorning its shame.....But I entreat You to find solace in the fact that at least a few will hear of what You did, and of those, some will actually believe it to be true and put their faith in You. These one will be with us forever--and for this, we will all rejoice forever.

Thank you for suffering as you did to redeem the handful of people that We were able to salvage!

Your Loving Father

[hopeful]

MERCY!!!!!  Give me a hug!   :HeartThrob:

[FineLinen]

What a lovely thread..... :icon_flower:

I'd also have to add:

dear Jesus,

I am sorry to inform You that you misunderstood My plan when you went to the cross, mistakenly believing that ALL would drawn and dragged unto You and that all the ends of the earth would see the salvation of the Lord.  I know it was for THAT joy set before You that You endured the cross, scorning its shame.....But I entreat You to find solace in the fact that at least a few will hear of what You did, and of those, some will actually believe it to be true and put their faith in You. These one will be with us forever--and for this, we will all rejoice forever.

Thank you for suffering as you did to redeem the handful of people that We were able to salvage!

Your Loving Father

Hi there Mercy. It is good to see your radiant face again! Our loving Father has declared He "will see the travail of His soul and be satisfied." Satisfied indeed: for the purpose to bring the whole groaning creation home in Him is complete in every detail.

Can you see the veil of the Holy of holies rent, and from the Shekinah the ring, ring, ring of the golden bells being stuck by the pomegranates along the hem of the High Priestly garments. Sure you can!

John 3:16 -A.P.Adams-

"God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son," etc. We will take into consideration verses 14-17 inclusive; first I will clear up several points of obscurity and error and then give the rendering as it should be. In verse 15 the words "not perish but" should be omitted; according to the best authorities they have been interpolated, probably from the following verse; they are left out from the New Version. The word "whosoever" in the l5th and l6th verses should be rendered all; in the original it is the word usually rendered all throughout the New Testament; it occurs hundreds of times, and is rendered all in over nine hundred instances, and whosoever in only about forty; the rendering all then is plainly the usual one. The word rendered "believeth," in the original is a participle, believing; the clause should read, "that all, believing in him should not," etc. The words, believing in him, are explanatory, telling us how "all" are to be saved, viz, by believing in him.  In the common version it will be noticed that the participle is, without authority, rendered by the verb "believeth," and the words, "whosoever believeth in him" are thereby made to have a conditional force, as though it read, if they believe in him, implying that some will not believe in him, and hence will perish, and be lost eternally. But this is not a correct rendering of the original, as I have shown above; the clause is not conditional, but is thrown in, as a participial form, as explanatory of the manner of the world's salvation-- by believing in him; this view is fully confirmed by the l9th verse; "for God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved."

Now I will give the whole passage as it ought to be.

As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the son of man be lifted up, that all, believing in him. might have aeonial life. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that all, believing in him, might not perish, but have aeonial life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved.

Thus truthfully translated this passage is one of the grandest and most sweeping declarations of the final universal triumph of God's grace in the salvation of the world, contained in the Bible. It is positive and direct, and mighty enough, could they only appreciate it, to utterly silence all those narrow, shortsighted souls who think that God will only gain a partial victory over the devil, that he will not save the world, but only a portion of it, a vast number being eternally lost. It is very plain why the translators of the common version handled this passage as they did. Their creed would not allow them to accept it just as it reads; it required only a slight change to make it conform to their own idea. They insert the unusual rendering "whosoever," change believing to "believeth," and then, punctuating it accordingly, the passage is "tinkered" so as to harmonize with the creed. Thank God for deliverance from man made creeds! "Let God be true, though every man be false."

'I have loved thee with an everlasting love.' You can never translate that word "everlasting" into English. It simply means that you have got into the spaceless, boundless realm, you have fallen out of time to where time is no more. You have gone out into that mysterious something where nothing can be taken hold of as tangible, it is all beyond you, beyond your grasp, beyond your calculation, beyond your power to cope with it and bring it into some kind of dimensions. That is the word: beyond you, beyond your time, beyond your world, beyond all your ways of thinking and working. 'I have loved thee with an everlasting, timeless, spaceless love.' Did you notice the alternative marginal reading to the phrase? 'Jehovah appeared of old unto me'? It is, 'from afar appeared unto me' - outside of our world altogether. He says, 'I have loved you with a love altogether outside your dimensions of time and space.' -T. Austin Sparks-

[reFORMer]

Maybe this would be a good response, a song! titled:
THIS MINISTRY CAME FROM HELL, MY FRIEND

the link should take you to the Torangos ministry site and Music, then CD4, the list of songs near the bottom...The title alone confirms what they thought of you all along!

http://www.thehouseofthelord.com/Music_Ministry_CD4.html

---James