Study Bibles

[micah7:9]

This is my question, are "study" Bibles such as Scofield's study bible, Swaggarts "Expository" bible, or any study bible; are they not "doctrine/teaching bibles?"
Rather than Bibles such as Thompson' chain or the Amplified Bible, which offer leads,to other verses, that may or may not be related, but leave the way open, for the Holy Spirit to interpret to the individual believer as to what the Word has to say.
In my opinion, "study bibles" cause more harm than good to saints who have a desire from the Lord to gain knowledgeand seek the truth.

PS. there are many more, but I just mentioned two of each for thought purposes.  :HeartThrob: :icon_king:

[lomarah]

I completely agree!!!

[micah7:9]

I completely agree!!!

Thank you for the insight of agreement rather than advice. Glory!

[Beloved Servant]

I also agree.

I started reading the Amplified Bible cover to cover a few months ago, I'm now in Isaiah.
I've read another translation cover to cover twice over and didn't get half as much from it.
It truly is a wonderful edition of God's Word.

Next, I may read an Aramaic translation, from the small amount I've read so far there seems to
be a constant undertone of God's love in so many versus that's just not there in other translations.

[Ross]

I Agree;
Paul gave a demo of that in Galations 1;15 " But when God, WHo set me apart from my mothers womb and called me through His favour, was well-pleased to reveal His Son in me, that I might announce the glad-message regarding Him among the nations,
Straightaway I conferred not with flesh and blood, neither went I up to Jerusalem to them who were apostles befroe me, but I went away to Arabia and again returned to Damascus."

He was not relying on others to teach him, but Christ alone.

[lomarah]

I Agree;
Paul gave a demo of that in Galations 1;15 " But when God, WHo set me apart from my mothers womb and called me through His favour, was well-pleased to reveal His Son in me, that I might announce the glad-message regarding Him among the nations,
Straightaway I conferred not with flesh and blood, neither went I up to Jerusalem to them who were apostles befroe me, but I went away to Arabia and again returned to Damascus."

He was not relying on others to teach him, but Christ alone.

Yes amen!

[Ross]

One of those many amazing things that happens to us is that we are to be transformed to be like Him.
I like the image of the caterpillar that goes into the coccoon and comes out a moth. No similarity between before and after.
For such a massive change to occur to us there had to be a lot of prep work. Christ did all that to get us into conformity with His way of thinking.
Where is there any fear or negativity in that kind of work? The work is to such an incredible scale that we cannot even fathom the depth of His love.
Paul proclaimed a glad-message. People protested when that proclaimation cut out personal effort. The pharisees in particular gave a demo of personal endeavour being cut out of the picture was rubbing then up the wrong way.
Christ is awesome and immaculate and He teaches us ALL as individuals.
WOW

[micah7:9]

Glory! That was well said and I know you are blessed just with being able to testify it! Praise His Name!

[micah7:9]

I Agree;
Paul gave a demo of that in Galations 1;15 " But when God, WHo set me apart from my mothers womb and called me through His favour, was well-pleased to reveal His Son in me, that I might announce the glad-message regarding Him among the nations,
Straightaway I conferred not with flesh and blood, neither went I up to Jerusalem to them who were apostles befroe me, but I went away to Arabia and again returned to Damascus."

He was not relying on others to teach him, but Christ alone.

GLORY! Yes He is Good!

[WhiteWings]

This is my question, are "study" Bibles such as Scofield's study bible, Swaggarts "Expository" bible, or any study bible; are they not "doctrine/teaching bibles?"

I think there is almost no material that isn't doctrinal. If you read one you also must read others to get a balanced view,
Just my  :2c: but the best commentaries are from Jews or about Jews. In such books you will find doctrine too, but the advantage is that you learn to understand the Jewish mindset. Most commentaries only teach you a western/Hellenized mindset.
Understanding the Jewish mind is the best foundation for understanding all sorts of parables. And that what unlocks a lot of insight.

[Beloved Servant]

Glory! That was well said and I know you are blessed just with being able to testify it! Praise His Name!

Amen.

[Beloved Servant]

One of those many amazing things that happens to us is that we are to be transformed to be like Him.
I like the image of the caterpillar that goes into the coccoon and comes out a moth. No similarity between before and after.
For such a massive change to occur to us there had to be a lot of prep work. Christ did all that to get us into conformity with His way of thinking.
Where is there any fear or negativity in that kind of work? The work is to such an incredible scale that we cannot even fathom the depth of His love.
Paul proclaimed a glad-message. People protested when that proclaimation cut out personal effort. The pharisees in particular gave a demo of personal endeavour being cut out of the picture was rubbing then up the wrong way.
Christ is awesome and immaculate and He teaches us ALL as individuals.
WOW

Amen.

[Beloved Servant]

I Agree;
Paul gave a demo of that in Galations 1;15 " But when God, WHo set me apart from my mothers womb and called me through His favour, was well-pleased to reveal His Son in me, that I might announce the glad-message regarding Him among the nations,
Straightaway I conferred not with flesh and blood, neither went I up to Jerusalem to them who were apostles befroe me, but I went away to Arabia and again returned to Damascus."

He was not relying on others to teach him, but Christ alone.

Amen.

[micah7:9]

This is my question, are "study" Bibles such as Scofield's study bible, Swaggarts "Expository" bible, or any study bible; are they not "doctrine/teaching bibles?"

I think there is almost no material that isn't doctrinal. If you read one you also must read others to get a balanced view,
Just my  :2c: but the best commentaries are from Jews or about Jews. In such books you will find doctrine too, but the advantage is that you learn to understand the Jewish mindset. Most commentaries only teach you a western/Hellenized mindset.
Understanding the Jewish mind is the best foundation for understanding all sorts of parables. And that what unlocks a lot of insight.

In my opinion taking the "mind set" of the Jews(which one may think is the mindset to understand the writings of what Paul taught to the nations is off course.) The Holy Spirit is the "mind set" and that mind set is the MIND of Christ, which the Jews have absolutely no comprehension; so the Jews have no idea as to what the Word speaks after the Cross. The parables are for the born of the spirit saint to discern, no religion theologian of Jewish rabbi will understand them, for they will use the insight of common sense, which is useless. :2c: :HeartThrob:

[WhiteWings]

In that case why do you even bother to ask about study Bibles?

[micah7:9]

In that case why do you even bother to ask about study Bibles?

Just for that reason...its a study Bible. For me it gives the impression that I will learn from the studies, but the only thing I, me personally have gotten out of study Bibles is the teaching and doctrine of the author of the "study" Bible, rather than a Bible that will aid my study through reference, rather than interpretation of the scriptures by the author. The Dake study Bible is a perfect example.

[WhiteWings]

You simply can't have it both ways. Either you read a manmade book or not.  :winkgrin:
I'll give an example how I study things.
Say I want to figure out if trinity is true or false.
I just read a few books that prove Trinity. Then I read a few books that debunk Trinity.
If it's about a OT concept you could also add Jewish scholars to the mix.
Then you have all the arguments and can draw your own conclusions.
That what works best for me.

With a Jewish mindset I don't mean you have to become a Jew you have to understand their society. I think that also will give better understanding. Or at least less bad understanding than the western view. A good example of that is tribulation. It's about farming. Farmers don't destroy 95% of their crop. They just process it.....
http://www.tentmaker.org/forum/discussions_universal_salvation/harvests_god_5946.msg119963.html#msg119963

[jabcat]

This is my question, are "study" Bibles such as Scofield's study bible, Swaggarts "Expository" bible, or any study bible; are they not "doctrine/teaching bibles?"
Rather than Bibles such as Thompson' chain or the Amplified Bible,

I don't prefer the "study" Bibles.

I believe they're absolutely doctrinally slanted - basically a presentation of that author's belief system - as are many translations, IMO.

I like much about the Christian Bible for instance, but some of the explanations within the verses I could do without.  Again, seems to be their point of view.   I find the Amplified Bible to way overdo it with "their" interpretations rather than simple translation.  Same with The Message - their interpretation, as opposed to a word-for-word (as much as possible) translation.

For me, just give me the very most literal translation that is the most readable.  I even like looking at the Interlinear, "cutting through" the translation by going back to the closest to the Greek or Hebrew as possible, that I can undestand.  I do like to see other's views and understandings about things, but leave the commentary/interpretation WITHIN THE TRANSLATION to the Holy Spirit.

[WhiteWings]

Doctrinal view in translations is huge not done for me. Literal translations are great, but are no study Bibles.
Study Bibles are commentary. Commentary is just "as I understand it". You know you are reading the opinion of men.
The best stuff is a totally unbiased, in-depth error commentary. Please post a list with ISBN's James. WW waits for an extremely short list :winkgrin:
While waiting for that list what is the next best thing?
Scholars defending their positions quite often have so good points that are usable. One good thought every 50 pages and a book is a success for me...
My Bible study horizon is likely much wider than that for most people.
I for example study social life, pagan origins, marriage and if I would find one a book on farming in 2000-4000 years ago.
While many seem to be scared of anything Jewish because they didn't "see" Jesus I see great value in their thoughs.
Mix UR with Messanic Jews and you are close to the ideal mix I think....

[micah7:9]

This is my question, are "study" Bibles such as Scofield's study bible, Swaggarts "Expository" bible, or any study bible; are they not "doctrine/teaching bibles?"
Rather than Bibles such as Thompson' chain or the Amplified Bible,

I don't prefer the "study" Bibles.

I believe they're absolutely doctrinally slanted - basically a presentation of that author's belief system - as are many translations, IMO.

I like much about the Christian Bible for instance, but some of the explanations within the verses I could do without.  Again, seems to be their point of view.   I find the Amplified Bible to way overdo it with "their" interpretations rather than simple translation.  Same with The Message - their interpretation, as opposed to a word-for-word (as much as possible) translation.

For me, just give me the very most literal translation that is the most readable.  I even like looking at the Interlinear, "cutting through" the translation by going back to the closest to the Greek or Hebrew as possible, that I can undestand.  I do like to see other's views and understandings about things, but leave the commentary/interpretation WITHIN THE TRANSLATION to the Holy Spirit.

I like that. :bigGrin:

[micah7:9]

Doctrinal view in translations is huge not done for me. Literal translations are great, but are no study Bibles.
Study Bibles are commentary. Commentary is just "as I understand it". You know you are reading the opinion of men.
The best stuff is a totally unbiased, in-depth error commentary. Please post a list with ISBN's James. WW waits for an extremely short list :winkgrin:
While waiting for that list what is the next best thing?
Scholars defending their positions quite often have so good points that are usable. One good thought every 50 pages and a book is a success for me...
My Bible study horizon is likely much wider than that for most people.
I for example study social life, pagan origins, marriage and if I would find one a book on farming in 2000-4000 years ago.
While many seem to be scared of anything Jewish because they didn't "see" Jesus I see great value in their thoughs.
Mix UR with Messanic Jews and you are close to the ideal mix I think....

Excellent! :bigGrin:

[jabcat]

This is a little off topic.  If it brances out too much and for too long, I can move it.

While many seem to be scared of anything Jewish because they didn't "see" Jesus I see great value in their thoughs.

I agree with this.


As far as this;

Mix UR with Messanic Jews and you are close to the ideal mix I think....

Here are my thoughts;    It's wonderful their veil has been lifted and they can see the Messiah.  Praise God!

However, Peter and James taught Jewish believers who, although they experienced the Messiah, were not far removed from their lifetime of Jewish temple worship, so they maintained much of the culture, views, and even religious activities of the Old Covenant.  Some of them were even still teaching one must be circumcised.

On the other hand, Paul taught [a mixture of Messianic Jews and pagans] that they no longer needed to observe the Jewish/OT customs, that those things were only a shadow of what they were now able to see and experience (Jesus), and that no one had the right to judge them for it.

So as I said, it's wonderful Messianic Jews experience Jesus, but I believe some of them are as the ones that James and Peter taught;  still not very far removed from their cultural and religious activities and observances, still participating in the "shadow" of the Old Covenant.  I certainly don't believe they are to be judged for that at all, and some gentiles wish to participate in some of those activities (days, feasts, etc.) and have the freedom to do so.  But I believe given time, as the personal relationship with Jesus increases, many of them will move away from those shadows, as they grow more and more into their realized freedom of "whom the SON makes free is free indeed".

[Molly]

I like the King James Bible plus E-sword as my favorite study Bible.

You can follow along with the Hebrew and Greek words and see what the translators did with the words.

I've found for myself that, with a few exceptions which we all know, King James is most faithful to the Greek and Hebrew words.

If there are problems understanding the text, then I can go to easier translations to help understand what the writer was saying, but I always return to King James as the most accurate and in depth treatment of the Word.  That's why it's often so hard to understand at first.  They don't care whether you can understand it or not; they are just being as faithful as possible to the Greek and Hebrew text, while at the same time using proper English.

Maybe it's an acquired taste. :icon_king:

[micah7:9]

I like the King James Bible plus E-sword as my favorite study Bible.

You can follow along with the Hebrew and Greek words and see what the translators did with the words.

I've found for myself that, with a few exceptions which we all know, King James is most faithful to the Greek and Hebrew words.

If there are problems understanding the text, then I can go to easier translations to help understand what the writer was saying, but I always return to King James as the most accurate and in depth treatment of the Word.  That's why it's often so hard to understand at first.  They don't care whether you can understand it or not; they are just being as faithful as possible to the Greek and Hebrew text, while at the same time using proper English.

Maybe it's an acquired taste. :icon_king:

Molly, the KJV and Esword are not "study" Bibles. I do the same as you as far as studying the Bible and I believe most on this forum. I will use some of the many translations of the Bible for reference, I will read commentaries but almost immediately see the "logic" in their words. The reason for my post was such Bibles as Dake, Schofied, Swaggart, and there maybe others; are "study" Bibles that index or note "their" interpretaiton" of what a verse means and teachs to be the Truth, this is where I find them in error.

[Molly]

I like the King James Bible plus E-sword as my favorite study Bible.

You can follow along with the Hebrew and Greek words and see what the translators did with the words.

I've found for myself that, with a few exceptions which we all know, King James is most faithful to the Greek and Hebrew words.

If there are problems understanding the text, then I can go to easier translations to help understand what the writer was saying, but I always return to King James as the most accurate and in depth treatment of the Word.  That's why it's often so hard to understand at first.  They don't care whether you can understand it or not; they are just being as faithful as possible to the Greek and Hebrew text, while at the same time using proper English.

Maybe it's an acquired taste. :icon_king:

Molly, the KJV and Esword are not "study" Bibles. I do the same as you as far as studying the Bible and I believe most on this forum. I will use some of the many translations of the Bible for reference, I will read commentaries but almost immediately see the "logic" in their words. The reason for my post was such Bibles as Dake, Schofied, Swaggart, and there maybe others; are "study" Bibles that index or note "their" interpretaiton" of what a verse means and teachs to be the Truth, this is where I find them in error.

I understand.  I don't really believe in using those kind of 'study' Bibles.   I think a new Christian has to learn to develop their own 'ear' because the living word of God will be talking directly to them.  So I have discouraged people from doing it

These days I will occasionally look at what others have to say about a verse or a topic [I mean professionals] because I feel more confident about my own foundation in scripture to agree or disagree with them.