God, satan and the naked man.

[WhiteWings]

In the garden of Eden we have
- God (walking around in the cool of the day) Gen 3:8
- Satan in the form of a serpent.
- Adam an naked man. Gen. 3:10

In the garden where Jesus was arrested we have:
- Jesus.
- Satan who entered Judas. Luke 22:3
- A naked man. Mark 14:51-52

The connection between Jesus and God is clear. Same for the serpent and Judas.
But what about the naked man?
What's the connection to Adam?
He fled. In a way Adam and Eve did a similar thing when hiding.
The naked man did were a linen cloth. (linen points to purity)
Why did that man left the cloth behind?
Is there a connection with Jesus leaving His linen clothes behind in the tomb? Luke 24:12

So my question is: What connections do you see? And above all: How are the relevant?

[micah7:9]

the adversary did not enter Judas in the garden... Joh 13:27  And after the morsel, then the Adversary entered into that one, Jesus, therefore, saith to him, `What thou dost--do quickly;'

Paul said 2Co 11:3  and I fear, lest, as the serpent did beguile Eve in his subtilty, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in the Christ;
Why had not Paul used the word "satan" rather than the "serpent?"

I would like to know what reasoning you have for your wonderings? As far as the man who ran and left his linen clothe, I believe he was scared, like me or you should an event come upon us as followers of someone who has shown so much strength and good, now being taken to prison.

[WhiteWings]

the adversary did not enter Judas in the garden... Joh 13:27  And after the morsel, then the Adversary entered into that one, Jesus, therefore, saith to him, `What thou dost--do quickly;'

I didn't write that satan entered Judas in the garden. I wrote that satan was in Judas at that point. I think he entered "in your verse" and left Judas shortly before Judas returned the 30 pieces of silver.

Paul said 2Co 11:3  and I fear, lest, as the serpent did beguile Eve in his subtilty, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in the Christ;
Why had not Paul used the word "satan" rather than the "serpent?"

It's about a pattern. Patterns rarely are exactly the same as what they pattern. This thread is to ask if someone does see that/a pattern.

I would like to know what reasoning you have for your wonderings? As far as the man who ran and left his linen clothe, I believe he was scared, like me or you should an event come upon us as followers of someone who has shown so much strength and good, now being taken to prison.

No reason. Just wondering. I think that man was there for a very good reason. That person isn't just "scenery".

Edit Jabcat: you forgot  :2c:   :laughing7:

[thinktank]

who is this man I wonder?

I don't think he left the linen cloth behind I think perhaps, a tree branch got hold of it or something.

[sheila]

 Christ is our righteousness[covering/linen garmet]  if you flee throu fear of death[not being willing to conquer the last enemy] the shame of  your nakedness

  will be revealed...They loved not their lives,even unto death.The garment is left in the tomb..to cover those raised up from it.

[micah7:9]

Christ is our righteousness[covering/linen garmet]  if you flee throu fear of death[not being willing to conquer the last enemy] the shame of  your nakedness

  will be revealed...They loved not their lives,even unto death.The garment is left in the tomb..to cover those raised up from it.

"not being willing to conquer the last enemy..."

Are you saying that we are to conquer death? I thought Jesus did that on the cross. I may be wrong thats why I ask.

[CHB]

In the garden of Eden we have
- God (walking around in the cool of the day) Gen 3:8
- Satan in the form of a serpent.
- Adam an naked man. Gen. 3:10

In the garden where Jesus was arrested we have:
- Jesus.
- Satan who entered Judas. Luke 22:3
- A naked man. Mark 14:51-52

The connection between Jesus and God is clear. Same for the serpent and Judas.
But what about the naked man?
What's the connection to Adam?
He fled. In a way Adam and Eve did a similar thing when hiding.
The naked man did were a linen cloth. (linen points to purity)
Why did that man left the cloth behind?
Is there a connection with Jesus leaving His linen clothes behind in the tomb? Luke 24:12

So my question is: What connections do you see? And above all: How are the relevant?

This may not be the connection but it was after Adam and Eve sinned that they wanted to cover themselves but thecoverning they made wasn't good enough. God himself had to make them coats of skins. Maybe the connection is, the man lost his linen cloth which he had made and was clothed with righteousness instead because of Jesus sacrifice.

CHB

[WhiteWings]

I've been thinking about the linen cloth Jesus left behind in His tomb. The naked man left a cloth behind too.
So did craftsmen....
It seems that there was a certain custom at those days. Craftsmen like carpenters and other 'construction workers' of that time sweated a lot in the that hot climate. So they always had a cloth hanging at the place they worked so they could wipe off the sweat.
Bit like a "under construction" sign.

But when their job was done they folded the cloth in a orderly way and laid it down somewhere. On a shelf IIRC. That was the a way of telling "project completed".
Depending on the translation the garment of Jesus was not just laying in His empty tomb. Sure you already guessed by now.... It was neatly folded laying on the "whatever Jesus was laying on".
So it was a "project completed" sign.
The only connection I see I the linen cloth. But that very well could be random. Jesus was crucified at/very near the spot He was arrested. Did the naked man just lose his cloth or was it hanging on for example a tree like a "under construction" sign?
I hope the above makes any sense to someone. My initial reply to Charlotte was just the first line. The rest just popped in my head when I was typing :happy3:

[sheila]

........thosewho through fear of death,were all their lives slaves to sin...Romans 8;15 Hebrews 2;15

   perfect love casts aside fear....fear not those who kill the body.......and then can do nothing else...outside are the cowards

   we 'conquor' our fear of death by tust in Him  who was raised from the dead John 14;27 Hebrews 10;39   but my righteous one will live by faith

   ,and if he shrinks back,I will not be pleased with him.

   when the time came for Christ to return to the Father....he told them..where I am going,you can not[able] come now..but you will follow later...

    they all fled for fear,or denied him from fear...but I tell you...later they died a martyrs death[were able] strengthened by His conquering death

   indeed, we are dragged through death whether willing or not[.

..Jesus told Peter that when he was old,men would  lead him and take him to where he does not wish to go.. John 21;18 Jesus said this to indicate

  the kind of death by which Peter would glorify God

[WhiteWings]

I'm not disagreeing with anything in your post; but I don't see how it's revelant to this thread :sigh:
Ok the apostles fled and the naked man too. I'm not even sure the naked men fled out of fear. Is there a connection with adam (see my 1st post)?
Why was that naked man there? Why is it mentioned his cloth was linen? I know what linen signifies; that's why I think those few verses about the naked man are a whole teaching on itself.
I just know 100% sure there is something to be learned from it. Unfortunately I have no clue what.....

[thinktank]

I think it helps to know who's side the naked man is on. Is he like Nicodemus, following Jesus from a far.

Is he the disciple of christ?

Is he a spy?

If he is a spy for the enemy, be it Roman or Religious orders/ powers, perhaps the removal of the cloth, shows his nakedness.

That christ came to reveal and be the light of the world, so that nothing remains hid.

[CHB]

That christ came to reveal and be the light of the world, so that nothing remains hid.

TT, that makes sense. Also I was thinking how that the linen could represent the self righteousness of the naked man and how the sacrifice of Jesus uncovered it.

If the linen of the naked man and the one Jesus wore are connected maybe it is showing the difference between self righteousness and righteousness somehow?

Just some thoughts I had on the subject.

CHB

[sheila]

 maybe in the sense that sense God told Adam he would die in the day he ate of it...then Adam 'hid' from God in the garden..because he was afraid?

[Beloved Servant]

Mark describes the young man in question as a neaniskos, meaning he was in the prime of his life, perhaps 15 to 25 years old.
The verb that is used, sunékolouthei, means "was following as a disciple" or "was accompanying."

The word neaniskos, which is rare in the New Testament, appears a second time in Mark,
to describe the young man in the long white robe who tells the women disciples that Jesus has been raised and they will see him again in Galilee.



also of note:



John 20;
6 Simon Peter also, then, is coming, following him, and he entered into the tomb and he is beholding the swathings lying,
7 and the handkerchief which was on His head, not lying with the swathings, but folded up in one place apart.

Jesus did not just leave the grave clothes behind.
He folded the cloth that covered His head. It is finished.
He left unfolded the cloth of His Body for we are waiting for the manifestation of the Sons of God.

[micah7:9]

Mark describes the young man in question as a neaniskos, meaning he was in the prime of his life, perhaps 15 to 25 years old.
The verb that is used, sunékolouthei, means "was following as a disciple" or "was accompanying."

The word neaniskos, which is rare in the New Testament, appears a second time in Mark,
to describe the young man in the long white robe who tells the women disciples that Jesus has been raised and they will see him again in Galilee.



also of note:



John 20;
6 Simon Peter also, then, is coming, following him, and he entered into the tomb and he is beholding the swathings lying,
7 and the handkerchief which was on His head, not lying with the swathings, but folded up in one place apart.

Jesus did not just leave the grave clothes behind.
He folded the cloth that covered His head. It is finished.
He left unfolded the cloth of His Body for we are waiting for the manifestation of the Sons of God.

I like that last part! I find it a solid gold nugget! :grin:

[Beloved Servant]

*off topic*


John 20;
6 Simon Peter also, then, is coming, following him, and he entered into the tomb and he is beholding the swathings lying,
7 and the handkerchief which was on His head, not lying with the swathings, but folded up in one place apart.


This Scripture casts doubt on the Shroud of Turin.
For there are two separate cloths, not one, covering the Lord.

[Molly]

*off topic*


John 20;
6 Simon Peter also, then, is coming, following him, and he entered into the tomb and he is beholding the swathings lying,
7 and the handkerchief which was on His head, not lying with the swathings, but folded up in one place apart.


This Scripture casts doubt on the Shroud of Turin.
For there are two separate cloths, not one, covering the Lord.

Jewish tradition demands that if the face of a dead person was in any way disfigured, it should be covered with a cloth to avoid people seeing this unpleasant sight. This would certainly have been the case with Jesus, whose face was covered in blood from the injuries produced by the crown of thorns and swollen from falling and being struck.

It seems that the sudarium was first used before the dead body was taken down from the cross and discarded when it was buried.

This fits in with what we learn from John's gospel, which tells us that the sudarium was rolled up in a place by itself.

http://www.shroud.com/guscin.htm

[Beloved Servant]

I don't buy into it for one second.
It's all Babylon hype to sell tickets to their adventure land.

[micah7:9]

I don't buy into it for one second.
It's all Babylon hype to sell tickets to their adventure land.

:thumbsup:

[micah7:9]

"This would certainly have been the case with Jesus, whose face was covered in blood from the injuries produced by the crown of thorns and swollen from falling and being struck." Molly

Im not trying to be negative but when I read Isa. 53:2-3 it would seem that he was not pleasant to look at anyway.

Isa 53:2 And He is coming up as a layer-plant before Him, and as a root sprout from earth that is arid. No shape has He nor honor when we shall see Him, and no appearance nor loveliness that we will covet Him."
Isa 53:3 Despised is He, and shunned by men, a man of pains and knowing illness. And, as One concealing His face from us, despised is He, and we judge Him of no account."

[Beloved Servant]

I don't buy into it for one second.
It's all Babylon hype to sell tickets to their adventure land.

:thumbsup:

The same goes for all the pieces of the cross they claim as relics.
There are enough "pieces" in Babylon's "churches" to rebuild a hundred crosses.

[Molly]

Actually the details about the shroud of Turin are quite fascinating.

In particular, the image on the shroud is made in a way that scientists cannot now explain.  It is first of all in the negative.  Secondly, it is like it is burned into the cloth by a laser. which of course did not exist in those days.  Third, it is three dimensional.

Quite amazing, and, I think, evidence of the body of Christ in the process of vivification.

[micah7:9]

I don't buy into it for one second.
It's all Babylon hype to sell tickets to their adventure land.

:thumbsup:

The same goes for all the pieces of the cross they claim as relics.
There are enough "pieces" in Babylon's "churches" to rebuild a hundred crosses.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[WhiteWings]

maybe in the sense that sense God told Adam he would die in the day he ate of it...then Adam 'hid' from God in the garden..because he was afraid?

Adam was naked and got dressed. The man was clothed and became naked. That's the reverse.
But if those two verses are really about reversing things the man shouldn't be running away. He should run toward Jesus to for example kiss His feet. Say comforting words.....
Sorry Sheila, again I see some sort of connection but so weak it could just be a random connection.
Let's this thought of mine not diverd the discussion but I think God never walked in Eden. It was Jesus. Adam ran away from Jesus. If the naked man is proof of reversing/reconcilation then the man should run toward Jesus.
Can't express myself any better.

[Molly]

Let's this thought of mine not diverd the discussion but I think God never walked in Eden. It was Jesus.

Not disagreeing with you, but the Bible says it was the LORD God that walked and talked in the garden with Adam, which leads one to the logical conclusion.