Do we only know "in part" ?

[Kratos]

John,

How do we "take it to them" though? Can we do so by going to church? Will they listen or even give us the opportunity to speak or share these things? In my experience, they do not. They will cut you off quicker that you can say "Hello".

Just wondering what you suggest?

Chris,

I cannot answer your question because I do not think the way has been revealed yet. All I can do is answer according to how God deals with me. Remember the account of Abraham as revealed in Romans 4? Sarah was barren by the Lord and past the time of women to conceive when God initiated His miracle by speaking to Abraham and calling him the father of many nations. Abraham had no children, but God called those things that be not as though they were. Why did He do this? Because many are called but few are chosen. Abraham believed God and gave Him glory knowing that He who had promised was able to perform. Then, God caused Sarah to gain strength to conceive and to bring forth Isaac.

Notice that Abraham did not name and claim what He wanted and Abraham did not produce the child of promise by his faith. No, God was the Author and Finisher of the work, but Abraham believed in between these two works of God.

I used to be used during my Pentecostal days as an apostle in church planting, but about 3 years ago, God sent me to where I am now, but did not tell me to start a work. During this time of Heavenly silence or barreness, God has done a lot of work in me internally concerning Tabernacles and Sonship. I assumed like most on here that these gift ministries had passed away with Pentecost and gladly took my place at the Father's table with the other Sons. It really has been a wonderful time of an internal work as He quieted my ministry for this purpose.

But, a few weeks ago, God initiated a change. He bagan to speak to me about His apostolic calling in my life again. This was a total surprise and not what I was asking for or even desiring. He started by waking me in the night and saying "If you love me, then feed my sheep".

So, Chris, to answer your question, I am agreeing with God and again calling myself what He calls me. I am giving glory to God knowing that what He has promised, He alone is able to perform. I have repented of exalting my ideas about gift ministries over His Word by believing that these have passed away before we have all come to the unity of the faith and to the fulness of the stature of Christ. Finally, I am waiting with anticipation with a committment to God that when He opens an effectual door of ministry that I will walk through it boldly and not allow my pride or my false humility or my desire to remain at ease to keep me from doing what He has sent me here to do.

I can tell you one thing of a surety, Chris, that when it happens, it will look nothing like what we have seen before and all have rejected for its carnal mixture. In the same way that the ministers in the first century turned the world upside down under the Pentecostal anointing and were persecuted by the Passover ministers of Judaism, when the Sons of God begin to minister from the Tabernacles realm, it will be so far beyond what was done in Pentecost that it will turn this world upside down and cause a war between the ministers who are Sons and those who are not yet. Jesus alone will be seen and glorified in the Sons instead of men being seen and glorified as it has been in the age that is passing away.

Even so, Come, Lord Jesus.

John

[Hennessey]

I shared this well known vision with my neighbor yesterday. Joian and I have also discussed it of late. Could this be the coming ministry? This was written decades ago and I have read it a number of times.

http://www.lit4ever.org/tommyhicks.html

[Taffy]

Good post Taffy  :thumbsup: (didn't quote it since it was so long)  :happygrin:

That is how I am seeing "come out OF HER my people" these days.

It's all about being BORN AGAIN, about being "delivered of the child" and Christ said that we would be "as A WOMAN whose hour has come to be delivered of the CHILD".

We have to come out of THE WOMAN (THE FLESH) so that we can be born OF THE SPIRIT.

We are "saved IN CHILDBEARING".  :cheerleader:

That is so cool.  And, what is a child if not someone who is seeing the world for the first time?..



Matthew 18:3
And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Hi Molly..

Sorry me post was long...Indeed sis saved in Child bearing...happy you see it sis...

Very much as Paul when he says..

1Cr 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. ...AS ONE BEING A CHILD\SLAVE AS ONE UNDER AND teaching law...

JOY for mine is NAME for Christ..He is OUR JOY.

Jhn 16:21 A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world.

For mine ISS 65 & 66 peaks more of this....


Isa 65:19  And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

speaks here of the Children of Promise..born again as the Children of faith aka Isaac

The DAYS of the Child shall cease ....born  AGAIN through the travail of childbirth unto a SON\HEIR of promise.

Isa 65:20  There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old ; but the sinner [being] an hundred years old shall be accursed.


Blessings
Taffy

[Loveroftruth]

I've thought about this too, Christine.  Not a mass happening but one by one...

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Christine and Hopeful,
That has appeared to me as well, some time ago while praying and also in a dream
I had about every man in his own order, like standing in line at a market check out line, everytime I tried to move ahead the line just went slower and everytime I shied away and moved to the back the line just went faster so I saw this: that we can niether speed the process up or slow it down because it is in Gods good time and not ours
as to when and how far things go out and come back in like the ocean tides.

One by one has been how it has appeared to me for many years regardless of what the churches are saying about all this corporate hoopala, there have always been those who have went before us and those who come after us in an order, we can't change that, corporate or otherwise.
Besides how big is corporate when devided up into hundreds of denominations all with their own rules and doctrines, is 100, a thousand, two and a half million, how big is corporate?  Besides that  I can't see where it is physicaly possible to build a corporate church in this world large enough to hold all of the all in all's that shall be in God when God shall be all in all. We are told that where as little as even two or three gather there our Lord is also, I trust what the word has said above the doctrines of men.

Peace,
Fire Walker

Firewalker,

One day while I was reading the part in the Bible about the Tower of Babel, the Lord spoke to me that this is what religion is - and the corporate push for man to unite.. it is our efforts to build the tower up to heaven. He then went on to show me that it was HE that created the denominations, to protect man from themselves, for if one group would have the ability to have such power it would not be pretty... just imagine the roman catholic church if they became the "one religion"

So in essence he took us and and scattered us and gave us all a different language  :mshock:

But we as man look at denominations and think it is terrible and we try so hard to take the walls down, for surely it could only be Gods will that we all unite in the flesh  :dontknow:

I think our unity is in the Spirit and many times we get blessed to connect with others where we get to taste the natural unity... I believe their may be much more to come as we grow in Him :HeartThrob: I just know trying to make people unite and love each other has never worked :mshock:

Thanks for sharing what you did  :girlheart:

[hopeful]

So in essence he took us and and scattered us and gave us all a different language  :mshock:

Hi Christine!  :HeartThrob:

This is what keeps me from getting so freaked out when I hear another "language" and don't understand it.

[Loveroftruth]

So in essence he took us and and scattered us and gave us all a different language  :mshock:

Hi Christine!  :HeartThrob:

This is what keeps me from getting so freaked out when I hear another "language" and don't understand it.

Ahhhh - Good for you! I still have a hard time with it :mshock: :msealed:

[fire walker]

I've thought about this too, Christine.  Not a mass happening but one by one...

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Christine and Hopeful,
That has appeared to me as well, some time ago while praying and also in a dream
I had about every man in his own order, like standing in line at a market check out line, everytime I tried to move ahead the line just went slower and everytime I shied away and moved to the back the line just went faster so I saw this: that we can niether speed the process up or slow it down because it is in Gods good time and not ours
as to when and how far things go out and come back in like the ocean tides.

One by one has been how it has appeared to me for many years regardless of what the churches are saying about all this corporate hoopala, there have always been those who have went before us and those who come after us in an order, we can't change that, corporate or otherwise.
Besides how big is corporate when devided up into hundreds of denominations all with their own rules and doctrines, is 100, a thousand, two and a half million, how big is corporate?  Besides that  I can't see where it is physicaly possible to build a corporate church in this world large enough to hold all of the all in all's that shall be in God when God shall be all in all. We are told that where as little as even two or three gather there our Lord is also, I trust what the word has said above the doctrines of men.

Peace,
Fire Walker

Firewalker,

One day while I was reading the part in the Bible about the Tower of Babel, the Lord spoke to me that this is what religion is - and the corporate push for man to unite.. it is our efforts to build the tower up to heaven. He then went on to show me that it was HE that created the denominations, to protect man from themselves, for if one group would have the ability to have such power it would not be pretty... just imagine the roman catholic church if they became the "one religion"

So in essence he took us and and scattered us and gave us all a different language  :mshock:

But we as man look at denominations and think it is terrible and we try so hard to take the walls down, for surely it could only be Gods will that we all unite in the flesh  :dontknow:

I think our unity is in the Spirit and many times we get blessed to connect with others where we get to taste the natural unity... I believe their may be much more to come as we grow in Him :HeartThrob: I just know trying to make people unite and love each other has never worked :mshock:

Thanks for sharing what you did  :girlheart:

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Yes Loveoftruth,

and your reply seems to bring an answer to the subject of this thread, each of these  countless denominations have some truth in part no matter how small or large that church is even home gatherings formal or informal have the same, each member in particular sees in part in this life as we are drawn in the word to maturity, the women in labor longs to bear the spirit child that is within her.

While we are on this subject I remember a thread someone posted over at Gospel for today discussion forums before it was closed down  there was a good article posted about how in spirit we are always assembled in Christ, I don't know if you ever participated on that forum or not, if you did you might remember that article yourself.

Not much else to share at this moment.

Peace,
Fire Walker

[Taffy]

Nice avatar Fireinfolding..not seen that one sis.

Thanks for sharing

moving Glory unto Glory

lol The age of a Child\slave to the AGE of  a SON\Heir.....

The Night Having PAST..... NOW in THE LIGHT of THE DAY.

Psa 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight [are but] as yesterday when it is past, and [as] a watch in the night.

been chatting of this some sis..in relation

Mat 14:25 And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea. 

A connection here maybe? :icon_flower:

Blesings
TTaffy

[Loveroftruth]

Hey Fireinfolding,

Great photo! I love to see who is behind the words  :girlheart:

[Loveroftruth]

Taffy,

Have you read the forum rules?



Courtesy issues
http://www.tentmaker.org/forum/index.php?topic=54.0

Please refrain from quoting a long post merely to give it a thumbs up or I agree or make short spiritual comments, you can quote a portion of the poster's text and then say "I agree" or post a smiley or just say great post "Name-of-Poster".

This will be your last and final warning  :mlaugh: :mlaugh: :mlaugh: :mlaugh: :mlaugh: :mlaugh: :mrflo: :mrflo: :mrflo: :mrflo: :mrflo:

[Taffy]

Wheres that That Chrissie.. :icon_flower:spending time with man No doubt :icon_flower:

Cant ya ask her to come join Tent...Gee we go back aways... :icon_flower:

Lol sis Ise what saying chains , slaves, Bound, I prison been saying it for some time... :icon_flower:

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are **expired**, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Yep see this...

could it be That wording catches US  ?.....THE THOUSAND YRS being TWOFOLD..one as the NIGHT which PAST.The other those In the DAY who reign with HIM?

Rev 20:2 he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Can this NOT be the flesh which is BOUND (as one under LAW) in the GRAVE until NIGHT has PASSED..?##THEN when the Thousand years have Passed as a WATCH in the NIGHT ..the flesh is LOOSED from the BOTTOMLESS PIT?..that the rest of the dead never LIVED until the thousand YRS( watch of the night HAD fininished) ..
The AGE of the Child has to END before we DWELL in the First Resurection

Jhn 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Im still looking meself at the Four watches ..cant help to see theres something there?...relating to that which has past in the NIGHT

ROME I relate to the Flesh sis...THE ANCIENT world capital....
being released FROM Rome,,,

Christ actually did release the JEWS from ROME..but not in the manner they THOUGHT :happygrin:

I recal taking to Rosey ages back about ROME...ALL THOSE in ROME called to BE SAINTS...dig it up and tell me what you think?

PREACH the GOSPEL unto all THE WORLD..then the END shall COME?

Just seeing FOUR in relation to ALL earthly matters....the  Garment which cover the four CORNERS of the EARTH ...some things there concerning the FOUTH watch..just cant link it as I like..but you know how it goes... :icon_flower:

Talk later..
mes got to go Sleepies SOON.

Love ya
Taffy

[Taffy]

mes BAD LT..my fault as always  :icon_flower:

thanks for the reminder sis :icon_flower:

Blessings
Taffy

[hopeful]

Talk later..
mes got to go Sleepies SOON.

Love ya
Taffy

Yous funny Taffy.  :happy3: Hope you got good sleepies.

[Taffy]

Taffy, Chrissie has been at TM under Chris (Hello??) LOL Shes responded to you a couple of times and you hadnt responded back. Shes e-mailed ya and hasnt heard back from ya  :grin: I told her last night you lost your e-mail password.

Soooooo, She spends more time with me then "a man", give me a break... your going on OLD news bro, you need to catch up. Shes on this forum and the other I come from. But with me on IM most times :bigGrin:

Shes a Crafty one....I got to keep my eyes on you girlies....you go astray :icon_flower:

yeah Kimbo..mes way behind for sure in more ways than One..yehaaaa!

Blesings
Gramster

[Taffy]

DRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
im Dull..
just been though  :laughing7:  Crafty Chrissies Posts..  :laughing7: HOW did I miss them.... :mblush:

I must admit i did miss a few.... :mblush:

sorry Chrissie...


..ya SNEAK....... :icon_flower:

ya both sneaks for not telling me..and ROSEY...you too.. :laughing7: :laughing7: :laughing7:

This poor Hamster........................

Blessings
Gramster

[rosered]

 

  yeah i sneak on here  Hammy ,
  but havent anything to say ?  :laughing7: 
  good stuff though  thanks  :happy3:
love rose 

[Taffy]

Hi Holly. :icon_flower:

.ive been going to Bed for the last hour..

but MY old Buddies are keeping me awake... :icon_flower:

Bless ya Girl
Taffy

[Molly]

Nice Psalm!

Having done a watch in the night at sea, I can testify that it can seem like the longest four hours of your life, even like a thousand years.

4 For a thousand years in your sight
       are like a day that has just gone by,
       or like a watch in the night. --Psalm 90


The psalmist is commenting on God's perception of time versus man's perception of time.  A thousand years is long to man, but to God it is shorter than a day, in fact, shorter than a part of a day (a watch).


5 You sweep men away in the sleep of death;
       they are like the new grass of the morning-
6 though in the morning it springs up new,
       by evening it is dry and withered.

7 We are consumed by your anger
       and terrified by your indignation.

8 You have set our iniquities before you,
       our secret sins in the light of your presence. ---Psalm 90



To man, even though his life is transient in the sight of God, like the grass, yet for the man under God's wrath it seems to go on forever, like a watch in the night (which can be very scary).



13 Relent, O LORD! How long will it be?
       Have compassion on your servants. --Psalm 90

A plea to God to shorten the time they must experience his wrath--

14 Satisfy us in the morning with your unfailing love,
       that we may sing for joy and be glad all our days. ---Psalm 90

Now we see reference to the watch in the night again.  The fourth watch is the watch just before the sun dawns.  The psalmist asks for morning to come.

15 Make us glad for as many days as you have afflicted us,
       for as many years as we have seen trouble. -Psalm 90

If it was a thousand years of separation and wrath from God, or felt like it, then he asks for that many days in God's grace and presence, from generation to generation.



17 May the favor of the Lord our God rest upon us;
       establish the work of our hands for us—
       yes, establish the work of our hands.--Psalm 90



But, look here--

4For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

[yester]"day"

yôm
yome
From an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literally (from sunrise to sunset, [/i]or from one sunset to the next), or figuratively (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used adverbially): - age, + always, + chronicles, continually (-ance), daily,

and this:

watch

From H8104

shâmar
shaw-mar'
A primitive root; properly to hedge about (as with thorns), that is, guard; generally to protect, attend to, etc.: - beware, be circumspect, take heed (to self), keep (-er, self), mark, look narrowly, observe, preserve, regard, reserve, save (self), sure, (that lay) wait (for), watch (-man).



Those thousand years  were daylight hours for God during which, even though it did not seem like it to us, we were in His sight.  He was watching us even during the night of our adversity, which also seemed to us to last forever,--he was  hedging us about, guarding us, keeping us safe in his sight.  The watch in the night, too, is His, not ours.  We finally realize he watches over us by day and by night until we, too, can join him on the sea, fledgling water walkers, like chicks taking first flight just before the dawn.


Matthew 14:25
And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea.



26And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear.

27But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid.

28And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water.

29And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus. --Matthew 14

[Taffy]

  yeah i sneak on here  Hammy ,
  but havent anything to say ?  :laughing7: 
  good stuff though  thanks  :happy3:
love rose 

agh there ya are Rosey..ya old muskerteer :icon_flower:

you HAVENT got anything to SAY...NAH! :icon_flower:

ya Busting on me girl :icon_flower:

Love
Gramster

[Taffy]

Those thousand days  were daylight hours for God during which, even though it did not seem like it to us, we were in His sight.  He was watching us even during the night of our adversity, which seemed to us to last forever,--he was  hedging us about, guarding us, keeping us safe in his sight.  The watch in the night, too, is His.  We finally realize he watches over us by day and by night until we, too, can join him on the sea, fledgling water walkers, like chicks taking first flight just before the dawn.

Nice stuff Molly.... :icon_flower: :icon_flower: :icon_flower:

The Law TUTORING us to the reality.... :icon_flower:

Blessings
Taffy

[Molly]

Those thousand days  were daylight hours for God during which, even though it did not seem like it to us, we were in His sight.  He was watching us even during the night of our adversity, which seemed to us to last forever,--he was  hedging us about, guarding us, keeping us safe in his sight.  The watch in the night, too, is His.  We finally realize he watches over us by day and by night until we, too, can join him on the sea, fledgling water walkers, like chicks taking first flight just before the dawn.

Nice stuff Molly.... :icon_flower: :icon_flower: :icon_flower:

The Law TUTORING us to the reality.... :icon_flower:

Blessings
Taffy

You mean I could have said all that in 7 words? :laughing7:

  :bgdance:

[Molly]

The fourth watch is the worst watch of the day.  It starts at 2am or 3am, depending, and it's dark and cold and you're tired and just want to sleep but it's too terrifying to sleep so no problem falling asleep on that watch.  And, since you only got about 4 hours of sleep max before it started, you are groggy and out of it, a perception also heightened by terror.  Not a pleasant memory.  Also, it's the watch reserved for the lowest shipmate on the totem pole, while the captain sleeps.

But, you also get to see the sunrise. :Sparkletooth:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I don't have time to go into all of it right now, but the Lord gave me some things on the watches. Four watches = four parts of the soul, the mind, will, emotions and desires. He comes to us as Spirit walking above the law/waters below the firmament in desires. The desire of all nations shall come and is coming now, whether they be for the Spirit man or the flesh man. When He comes His reward is with Him. Having a rough week.....sigh......Blessings to all.........

[hopeful]

Also, it's the watch reserved for the lowest shipmate on the totem pole, while the captain sleeps.

But, you also get to see the sunrise. :Sparkletooth:

Amen, Molly!

[Taffy]

Good post Taffy  :thumbsup: (didn't quote it since it was so long)  :happygrin:

That is how I am seeing "come out OF HER my people" these days.

It's all about being BORN AGAIN, about being "delivered of the child" and Christ said that we would be "as A WOMAN whose hour has come to be delivered of the CHILD".

We have to come out of THE WOMAN (THE FLESH) so that we can be born OF THE SPIRIT.

We are "saved IN CHILDBEARING".  :cheerleader:

your a SNEAK :icon_flower:..passing from age to age...Death Unto life. :icon_flower:

Gee..I should have KNOWN..Gee im slow..only three letters missing and i still didnt see you Chris-sie

Thanks for the emails , only ive yet to open the mail box..you know me and PCs from old..totally useless.

Heres me thinking you found a man friend and were just very busy..and ya here all along.

I did here about Wilard..thats sad....

Good to see ya agin sis...pray dont be shy with ya posts :icon_flower:

Blessings
Gramster