Everybody Callin' on Jesus

[Nathan]

Much has been said about "end times" and all the devastation this earth is supposedly going to experience, then with this latest catastrophic event happening in Japan, the cadence of the alarmist's doctrines echo even louder.  I wrote a song with the same title as this thread the other night and it's message really hit home in me in a powerful way.  I'd post the song here but I left my memory stick with it at home.  But it wasn't until after I'd written it and was driving home late at night that God spoke to me . . . at least that's the source I'm acrediting the voice to.    You can judge for yourself if you choose,

Anyway, it's always been a BIG belief of mine that we're yet to see the fulfiment of the Scripture that professes "The knowledge of the Lord will cover the earth as the waters cover the sea . . ."  For me, that's a world-wide event that will not be reasonably explained by any natural means.  The it's the order of things that are to take place before that can actually come about that's come to my attention.  It involves people.  Us.  The human race.  We are what's going to bring that into a reality. But before we can engage into that part of it, we have to, as a people, have a change of understanding when observing these things happening around us that cause much death and disaster.

Right now, events like what's taken place in Japan recently often spark discussions like "Where was God?  Why is he letting this happen?  How could he allow such devastation???  And I for one, really am not of the belief that God "does" sit at the control room with his fingers on the pulse of our earth and galaxies beyond.  Our minds can't understand how things like hurricanes, fires, floods, earthquakes . . .how could those get by God's ever-watchful eye?  And knowing that nothing happens without him already being aware of it, our natural minds then conclude that not only does God allow them, but he'll even orchestrate them due to the sin of a city (New Orleans) or national belief of a country (Japan). 

We figure if he's not stopping them, then he must be the one creating them.  But what if he's doing neither?  What if the responses we do see from him, are responses to those praying "to" him?  What if when we see rescuers retrieving a person who's still alive from the rubble is actually God responding to a prayer of an individual rather than him interveining by his own accord?

[redhotmagma]

I'd like to believe what you believe about God not causing troubles, but how do you reconcile that belief with the entire old testament?  Especially 

Isa 45:7   I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (the word for evil is also translated calamity)

1Sa 2:6  The LORD killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up.

I'm not saying the examples you gave were definitely God punishing people.  I don't think that everything that happens in our world is a direct cause (evil) effect (disaster by God).  Its just part of the nature of a fallen universe.

[Molly]

Yes, Nathan.

1 Thessalonians 5:17
Pray without ceasing.

[Nathan]

Sorry, I can only write a couple paragraphs at a time, I wasn't quite done with the thought . . here's the rest of it.

The reason why I mention this is because what I've found being revealed to me is actually the principles of electricity.  I'm not an electrician and I'm not advanced in understanding how it all works.  In fact, if my house needs any kind of wiring . . I'll call an electrician and pay four times more than I would if I were to just fix it myself.  So by no means am I an educator on electrical issues.  But when it comes to spiritual, I can only absorb what is revealed and what I'm seeing is, God's power works "like" electricity. 

If you look at any car battery there is a positive and a negative post.  already I see the garden of Eden where there is the tree of life (positive) and the tree of knowledge (negative).  And our argument is why would God create evil?  Why would he create darkness?  Death?  Decay?  And for me, he created a positive realm and a negative realm and like the car battery, the two are not to be connected to each other . . .if you did that to a new battery, you greatly improve the odds for an explosion.  But if you connect the ends of both to any premade apparatus that can only operate when current travels "through" it, at the point of connecting BOTH the positive and negative, power is immediately released and the apparatus.  Power does not release in it's own accord . . .it releases at the point the circut is completed.  "We" are that link that completes the circut.

Without our engagment between the natural and the spiritual, his power is not released.  But "through" us, this world will be transformed.  So . . . knowing that is how it works, I believe if we don't engage ourselves in releasing his power through our prophetic prayers and proclamations, I believe God creates an environment where we "will" call on his name . . .this realm is a realm where negative things happen all the time, because we're born on the negative side of creation . . .that's what the natural realm is . . .you begin dying the moment you're born.  It's not that God brings calamity, it's that calamity is the nature of the realm we live in and God "uses" that calamity to usher in his purposes for our lives.  Can you imagine just how many people were  calling on the name of the Lord during that earth quake?  Rather than looking at the devastation, perhaps what we "should" be doing is preparing for a new revival to break forth as a result of the prayers of all who've been calling on his name.

[Molly]

"We" are that link that completes the circut.

Yes, Nathan.  I saw this years ago.

Right now two reactors in Japan are threatening a meltdown.  Good time to start praying.

[Molly]

Nathan, this story illustrates your electricity theory:



And Jesus went with him; and much people followed him, and thronged him.

25And a certain woman, which had an issue of blood twelve years,

26And had suffered many things of many physicians, and had spent all that she had, and was nothing bettered, but rather grew worse,

27When she had heard of Jesus, came in the press behind, and touched his garment.

28For she said, If I may touch but his clothes, I shall be whole.

29And straightway the fountain of her blood was dried up; and she felt in her body that she was healed of that plague.

30And Jesus, immediately knowing in himself that virtue had gone out of him, turned him about in the press, and said, Who touched my clothes?

31And his disciples said unto him, Thou seest the multitude thronging thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me?

32And he looked round about to see her that had done this thing.

33But the woman fearing and trembling, knowing what was done in her, came and fell down before him, and told him all the truth.

34And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.

--Mark 5


"virtue" [had gone out of him]

G1411
δύναμις
dunamis
doo'-nam-is
From G1410; force (literally or figuratively); specifically miraculous power (usually by implication a miracle itself): - ability, abundance, meaning, might (-ily, -y, -y deed), (worker of) miracle (-s), power, strength, violence, mighty (wonderful) work.

[Nathan]

Amen to that Molly. :bigGrin:

[thinktank]

I think all these natural disasters are something to with the return of Jesus. Dark forces struggling against the light, causing disturbances in the delicate forces in the earth's sphere's, gravitational, and radionic fields, also causing tectonic movements, in the sea in Japans case, causing a Tidal wave to crash into Japans coastline.

[Nathan]

Depends on one's perspective of what return we're talking about . . .I'm not one that supports the idea that he's returning to the flesh "in" the flesh . . .he's already done that.  Just me though . . .not trying to force you to agree with me, but I think much is missed when emphasizing literal and natural applications "too" much.

[Molly]

He's going to return in his glorified body of light--us.

1 Thessalonians 3:13
To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

[Molly]

I think all these natural disasters are something to with the return of Jesus. Dark forces struggling against the light, causing disturbances in the delicate forces in the earth's sphere's, gravitational, and radionic fields, also causing tectonic movements, in the sea in Japans case, causing a Tidal wave to crash into Japans coastline.

Yes.  Because of this principle:

Romans 5:20
Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:


Which is why he says this:

11He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

--Rev 22

[thinktank]

He's going to return in his glorified body of light--us.

1 Thessalonians 3:13
To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

I agree with Molly that he returns the same manner in which he left, so why stand ye here gazing.
But I also thinks he approaches, through time, perhaps, glowing steadily brighter towards our world as our world becomes His.

[Nathan]

What manner do you see that referring to TT?

[thinktank]

Seems unthinkable, but he comes from the sky and lands on Mount Olives. He might appear in flesh if needs be, he is able.

[redhotmagma]

Nathan, have you ever heard of the Electric Universe?  Its a scientific theory.  Its a theory that goes against the standard cosmological theories, that the universe is run by an electrical circuit.

[Molly]

Nathan, have you ever heard of the Electric Universe?  Its a scientific theory.  Its a theory that goes against the standard cosmological theories, that the universe is run by an electrical circuit.

Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by a power obtainable at any point of the universe. This idea is not novel. Men have been led to it long ago by instinct or reason; it has been expressed in many ways, and in many places, in the history of old and new. We find it in the delightful myth of Antheus, who derives power from the earth; we find it among the subtle speculations of one of your splendid mathematicians and in many hints and statements of thinkers of the present time. Throughout space there is energy. Is this energy static or kinetic! If static our hopes are in vain; if kinetic — and this we know it is, for certain — then it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheelwork of nature.
--Nikola Tesla

[jabcat]

Nathan, have you ever heard of the Electric Universe?  Its a scientific theory.  Its a theory that goes against the standard cosmological theories, that the universe is run by an electrical circuit.

Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by a power obtainable at any point of the universe. This idea is not novel. Men have been led to it long ago by instinct or reason; it has been expressed in many ways, and in many places, in the history of old and new. We find it in the delightful myth of Antheus, who derives power from the earth; we find it among the subtle speculations of one of your splendid mathematicians and in many hints and statements of thinkers of the present time. Throughout space there is energy. Is this energy static or kinetic! If static our hopes are in vain; if kinetic — and this we know it is, for certain — then it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheelwork of nature.
--Nikola Tesla

Do you think this will be held back by men's evil imaginations and scheming, until the day when "everyone's calling on Jesus", i.e., He is ushering in the next age and placing all enemies under His feet?

[CHB]

"We" are that link that completes the circut.

Nathan, what if it is God who is the link that completes the circuit?

CHB

[Molly]

Nathan, have you ever heard of the Electric Universe?  Its a scientific theory.  Its a theory that goes against the standard cosmological theories, that the universe is run by an electrical circuit. 

Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by a power obtainable at any point of the universe. This idea is not novel. Men have been led to it long ago by instinct or reason; it has been expressed in many ways, and in many places, in the history of old and new. We find it in the delightful myth of Antheus, who derives power from the earth; we find it among the subtle speculations of one of your splendid mathematicians and in many hints and statements of thinkers of the present time. Throughout space there is energy. Is this energy static or kinetic! If static our hopes are in vain; if kinetic — and this we know it is, for certain — then it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheelwork of nature.
--Nikola Tesla

Do you think this will be held back by men's evil imaginations and scheming, until the day when "everyone's calling on Jesus", i.e., He is ushering in the next age and placing all enemies under His feet?

I think it has been held back for over 100 years.  Tesla was trying to give free electricity to the world [wireless] at the turn of the last century [early 1900's] and he was shut down.  Maybe what you are describing will be the resolution of it but it won't end until control is wrested out of the hands of Satan, imo.

[Molly]

"We" are that link that completes the circut.

Nathan, what if it is God who is the link that completes the circuit?

CHB

Another way to look at it--our faith plugs us into the circuit.

[CHB]

Molly, I'm afraid my faith is just too weak for that.   :sigh:

CHB

[jabcat]

Molly, I'm afraid my faith is just too weak for that.   :sigh:

CHB

I don't think it's anything we manufacture, C.  God can and will do it through us when it's time.  The closer we are to Him and the more we're filled with Him, the better;

"I am the vine, you are the branches: He that abides in me, and I in him, the same bears much fruit: for apart from me you can do nothing."   :thumbsup:

[thinktank]

There's a famous inventor in Japan who invented the floppy disk, he claims to have his home powered by energy from the universe.

[Molly]

Molly, I'm afraid my faith is just too weak for that.   :sigh:

CHB

CHB, it's his faith, not ours, like Jab said, and we only need the size of a mustard seed to start.  I had an advantage of watching my mother walk in faith [which she did all the time], but when I started walking out in faith it was because I had no choice--either I had faith he was going to fix things or I was dead in the water.  But, I think it's easier to start off with small things--having faith in him for particular, small things before building up to moving mountains lol.

There's a movie called Conviction that I saw recently.  That woman had the type of faith that is required to move mountains--unswerving, single minded, refusing to take no for an answer,patient and enduring, and without any doubt-- total faith.  We learn that by stepping out in it.

Mark 11:23
For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.

[CHB]

CHB, it's his faith, not ours,

Absolutely Molly.  :thumbsup:

CHB