Is Timorias also constructive and corrective? Heb 10: 29?

[PaoloNuevo]

Hebrews 10:29-30 (New King James Version)

29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord And again, "The LORD will judge His people."

How do we know that punishment in this verse also has a constructive purpose when the Greek word is timorias?

I do know that when we see the word "Vengeance" God always renders it with equity and equal force, but no more no less... 

Are there sample verses in the Old Testament where this type of judgment was rendered to the people of Israel? I believe I've read the terms "cup of wrath" applied in the books Isaiah or 2nd Chronicles...

But how do we reconcile God's vengeance here with his constructive purpose in both (chastening eonian Matt 25: 46) and the testing and purifying in the LoF?

Any thoughts?

[WhiteWings]

Purely looking at word meanings vengance is not the primary meaning.
:dontknow:

τιμωρία
timōria
Thayer Definition:
1) a rendering help
2) assistance
3) vengeance, punishment, penalty
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by Thayer's/Strong's Number: from G5097
τιμωρέω
timōreō
Thayer Definition:
1) to be a guardian or avenger of honour
τιμωρία
timōría; gen. timōrías, fem. noun from timōréō (G5097), to punish. Punishment, only in Heb 10:29. In Class. Gr., the idea of punishment represented by timōría was deeply colored by vindictiveness. It is a punishment meant to satisfy a sense of outraged justice, the defense one's honor or that of a violated law.
Syn.: kólasis (G2851), torment; epitimía (G2009), penalty, punishment; ekdíkēsis (G1557), punishment, retribution; díkē (G1349), justice, the execution of a sentence, punishment.
Ant.: stéphanos (G4735), a crown, as an award; dóxa (G1391), glory, honor; épainos (G1868), a commendation, praise.

1a) to succour, come to the help of[/color]
2) to avenge
3) in the NT, to take vengeance on one, to punish
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer's/Strong's Number: from a comparative of G5092 and ouros (a guard)
τιμή
timē
Thayer Definition:
1) a valuing by which the price is fixed
1a) of the price itself
1b) of the price paid or received for a person or thing bought or sold
2) honour which belongs or is shown to one
2a) of the honour which one has by reason of rank and state of office which he holds
2b) deference, reverence
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by Thayer's/Strong's Number: from G5099Citing in TDNT: 8:169, 1181
τίνω
tinō
Thayer Definition:
1) to pay, to recompense
2) to pay penalty, suffer punishment
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer's/Strong's Number: strengthened for a primary tio (which is only used as an alternate in certain tenses)

Are there sample verses in the Old Testament where this type of judgment was rendered to the people of Israel?

I did a search in a Greek Bible and this is te only place in OT and NT the word is used.

10:28 speaks of sympathy of human witnesses.
So I think the vengence of 10:29 is human too.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: The Jews are God's covenant people as well. He had them sent into exile for punishment for disobedience and idolatry. He did NOT say they were to burn in hell forever. We are told that what they went thru, was for our example. They were some extreme punishments, but they did not last forever, nor did He ever "disown" them, and so we read, He will neither leave us nor forsake us.

So where anybody got this torture and burn forever doctrine out of their example, I have no idea.  :dontknow:

[PaoloNuevo]

Thanks guys!!

@Cardinal, yeah I suppose they'll be the same in magnitude then... In the OT his "wrath" is always associated with war, famine, or sword... though very distressing they're not as ghastly as the infernal imaginations of Dante.  :grin:

@Whitewings, Thanks man! I appreciate you really pasting the word meanings here.

τιμωρία
timōria
Thayer Definition:
1) a rendering help
2) assistance

Really? A rendering help?

Although this clarifies it more:

τιμωρία
timōría; gen. timōrías, fem. noun from timōréō (G5097), to punish. Punishment, only in Heb 10:29. In Class. Gr., the idea of punishment represented by timōría was deeply colored by vindictiveness. It is a punishment meant to satisfy a sense of outraged justice, the defense one's honor or that of a violated law.

[WhiteWings]

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