What's so bad about annihilation

[legoman]

Sir 15:14 When God, in the beginning, created man, he made him subject to his own free choice.
Sir 15:15 If you choose you can keep the commandments; it is loyalty to do his will.
Sir 15:16 There are set before you fire and water; to whichever you choose, stretch forth your hand.
Sir 15:17 Before man are life and death, whichever he chooses shall be given him.

2Ma 7:14 When he was near death, he said, "It is my choice to die at the hands of men with the God-given hope of being restored to life by him; but for you, there will be no resurrection to life."

I don't think these are part of scripture, are they?

[thinktank]

That's not true TTank.
That is preciously why Jesus was stripped naked.

Jesus was/is righteous  :thumbsup:

[Lefein]

The book of Sirach, is not canon according to the Protestant Bible - I do not believe they are fully inspired myself.  However, it does show a very keen insight into Jewish beliefs at the time, and this is important in its own right.  And if I may say, while they are not fully inspired - I do believe God had a touch or two in the middle of this ancient-day "Christian book store best seller" or scripture-aligned teaching book.

A few inaccuracies, considered God-Breathed by Catholics, not Protestants - but in general a smart book that may be usable in a situation like this.

[Lefein]

Sir 15:17 Before man are life and death, whichever he chooses shall be given him.

Dt 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Just one example...

[Beloved Servant]

You entirely missed legoman's point.

[Lefein]

You entirely missed legoman's point.

You don't even know the point I was addressing, unless you've assumed, and you know what assuming makes of you and me.

[Beloved Servant]

Was it not to legoman?

[Lefein]

I was commenting on Sirach in general when it was brought up in regards to scripture.  Not specifically Legoman's post.

I do not know what his point is, and so I expressed my own thought concerning it, and provided my own sample.

I apologise in hindsight for any confusion, or disharmony that may have arisen.  And I forgive you Beloved Servant, for any disharmony perceived on my part.

[Beloved Servant]

You forgive me?
umm... lol
For what?

[Lefein]

I was offended by you, I forgive you for it.  Even if you did not mean to offend me.  I am free from feeling offended now.

[Beloved Servant]

Though, I did nothing to offend you, you forgive me. Hmmm...

Well, if you're happy then that's all that matters.

[Lefein]

Forgiveness isn't merely what we think of it.  Forgiveness is the easiest way to begin moving on from any hurt, or displeased feeling one might have towards another - perceived or not.  :thumbsup:

Forgiveness is more for "our sake" than it is for the forgiven - like you, they usually don't even know, (or in many cases care) that they've offended.  It frees the forgiver to have peace, as well as exonerates the forgiven.

[Beloved Servant]

Forgiveness isn't merely what we think of it.  Forgiveness is the easiest way to begin moving on from any hurt, or displeased feeling one might have towards another - perceived or not.  :thumbsup:

Forgiveness is more for "our sake" than it is for the forgiven - like you, they usually don't even know, (or in many cases care) that they've offended.  It frees the forgiver to have peace, as well as exonerates the forgiven.

Like me???
Like me what???

[jabcat]

Personally, I am not bright enough to reason out God.  I can read scripture but will only understand if the Holy Spirit unveils my eyes.  So, for me I will read the Bible set before me and ask the Holy Spirit to reveal to me what he wants me to know.  Everything else will have to wait until I meet God.

:thumbsup:

Even though you're not a staunch believer in UR, IMO you've raised some pertinent points in this thread Shawn.

[Lefein]

You did not know that you offended me.

[thinktank]

Can you guys go pm . Your taking up valuable real estate  :laughing7:

[Beloved Servant]

You did not know that you offended me.

Please show me the quote to which you refer.

[jabcat]

Back to the OP please.  Thanks.

[shawn]

Sir 15:14 When God, in the beginning, created man, he made him subject to his own free choice.
Sir 15:15 If you choose you can keep the commandments; it is loyalty to do his will.
Sir 15:16 There are set before you fire and water; to whichever you choose, stretch forth your hand.
Sir 15:17 Before man are life and death, whichever he chooses shall be given him.

2Ma 7:14 When he was near death, he said, "It is my choice to die at the hands of men with the God-given hope of being restored to life by him; but for you, there will be no resurrection to life."

I don't think these are part of scripture, are they?

They are part of Catholic scripture and I was quoting LS's thread...as stated in the beginning.  She is Catholic. 

[shawn]

Was it not to legoman?

I would love to know what you believe legoman's point was.

I am curious though.  This is a group of Christians who very much mistrust the motives, and the translational abilities of 4-5th century church leaders.  So, why is it that you trust their ability to canonize scripture?  Where does the mistrust end? 

[Beloved Servant]

lol, this is like a courtroom drama.

read back yourself. it's plain to see.

and why ask me?

ask him.

[shawn]

lol, this is like a courtroom drama.

read back yourself. it's plain to see.

and why ask me?

ask him.

edit- because it's really not important.

[legoman]

Was it not to legoman?

I would love to know what you believe legoman's point was.

I am curious though.  This is a group of Christians who very much mistrust the motives, and the translational abilities of 4-5th century church leaders.  So, why is it that you trust their ability to canonize scripture?  Where does the mistrust end?

Well I was just a little surprised because I had never seen a scripture that said anything about "free choice".  Then I realized it wasn't actually scripture.

I didn't realize it was part of the Catholic bible - I should check it out (since I even go to a Catholic church!  My wife is Catholic...)

Anyway since it is not "official canon", we shouldn't really use those books as proof of anything, other than some people wrote it down like that many centuries ago... I suppose it is interesting to quote them, but it should not be treated as scripture IMHO.

[micah7:9]

Drama,  boy you got that right....Im on my second bowl of popcorn! :grin:

[WhiteWings]

Popcorn is annihilated chaff   :flamebreath: