Aionios - possible translation?

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Lefein

Matthew 25:46 - KJV, CLV, Koine Greek, Literal Translation - My rendering

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

And these shall be coming~ away into chastening eonian, yet the just into life eonian.

Kai apeleusontai houti eis kolasin aionion hoi de dikaioi eis zoen aionion.

And shall-be-from-coming/shall-be-coming-away these/these-ones into chastening eonian the yet just/just-ones into life eonian

And these shall depart away into chastening [that lasts as long as the chastening lasts; chastening lasting] yet the righteous into life [that lasts as long as life lasts; life lasting].

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And these shall depart away into chastening [that lasts as long as the chastening lasts; chastening lasting] yet the righteous into life [that lasts as long as life lasts; life lasting].

I was thinking about aionios, and how it is an adjective - adjectives depend on the noun they are modifying, this is basic knowledge for many...but I was pondering what aionios might specifically mean, since "age-lasting" or "world-lasting" or even something pertaining to the hidden-ness of Olam was not entirely satisfactory.  But then I had a thought - what if it has something to do with the life-span of the word itself?  The quality of what it is describing?  Just like how Olam can be three days, or eternity - but only depending on the subject, the noun, it was addressing.

So...I present a translation, and an idea that aionios (and by extension, Olam) is an adjective-phrase that the Greeks, and Hebrews with their respective words, engrained the idea of that adjective-phrase into a single word, Aionios/Olam.

My attempt here, is to re-present that phrase out of that singular container, and show the more accurate meaning as far as our English language can show.

Translating it via phrase as I have done; it expresses not only the time length, but also the quality of that expression.  Life life-lasting for example, the quality is Life that lasts as long as life lasts, which is a double positive - life lasting as long as life itself lasts, would mean that it is something that lasts forever, since it is a self-dependent reality, especially consistent with the rest of the scripture which says God is Life, and God is I AM; self-dependent reality, as well as Eternal in even our own sense of the word.  Chastening chastening lasting on the other hand, shows certainly a temporal chastisement, because the very word "chastise" is temporal by nature, a means to an end, with an end indeed.  But especially important, is that there is consistency in the translation of Aionios, and perhaps even Olam through this phrase method.

Does this translation resonate?  Does it make sense?  Is it consistent?  Your thoughts?




micah7:9

I am not real smart on this but it reads good to me. :bigGrin:

WhiteWings

The age of chastening lasts until the person is 'corrected'.
The age of life lasts until the Sons kingdom ends.

YLT1Cor 11
32 and being judged by the Lord, we are chastened, that with the world we may not be condemned;
YLTTitus 2
12 teaching us, that denying the impiety and the worldly desires, soberly and righteously and piously we may live in the present age,

If you look up the meaning of the words in those verses you will see that basicly chastening means teaching.

And these shall be thaught until they understand, while the others enjoy life.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...