first earth age?

[micah7:9]

Ok I am sure someone has heard of this, I have but, I dont understand it. Its the teaching of a "first earth age."
Its taught from the word "foundation" (Strong G2602 G2598) and  Gen 1:2  the earth hath existed waste and void, and darkness is on the face of the deep and Jer. 4:23- all are used to prove a first earth age.
In this "throwing down" period, satan, luicifer was thrown down out of a high place in God's first earth age.
Anybody? Anything?

[WhiteWings]

This has been discussed several times before. I think a few weeks back in the gap theory thread.
From what I remember from it there is no agreement. But many lean toward the idea that there was no war in heaven and satan got kicked out.
Lucifer was just mortal very human king of flesh and blood.

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[micah7:9]

This has been discussed several times before. I think a few weeks back in the gap theory thread.
From what I remember from it there is no agreement. But many lean toward the idea that there was war in heaven an satan got kicked out.
Lucifer was just mortal very human king of flesh and blood.

Search "gap theory"   --> with the ""

Thanks, I give it a try.

[WhiteWings]

I corrected my post.
It should have read: "But many lean toward the idea that there was no war in heaven and satan got kicked out."

[micah7:9]

I corrected my post.
It should have read: "But many lean toward the idea that there was no war in heaven and satan got kicked out."

That what you said originally.

[WhiteWings]

That's the editted version


Reply #1 on: 20-09-2010, 22:23:52 »
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[micah7:9]

Well then I guess that a "first earth age" teaching is false as I suspected. There is certainly no evidence of it. Was there something in Gen. 1:2 that needs to be revealed and discerned, I say yes.

[jabcat]

Bump for Molly.  The ages, the disruption, the foundation; got a summary of your thoughts you've knitted together so far Molly?   :knitting:

[Molly]

Bump for Molly.  The ages, the disruption, the foundation; got a summary of your thoughts you've knitted together so far Molly?   :knitting:

wow you're asking me to write a thesis.  There's so much involved in that question.

But, you know, I've recently come to the realization that there is so much more going on than people are aware of and it's not the neat little package that people try to make of it.

I used to think the Bible was the complete story with a beginning, middle, and end.  I now think that we are just being shown part of the story which is useful for our purposes in this age.


I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

--John 16:12


I certainly appreciate those who see the spiritual levels in the book, but I promised that first I would read it and accept it literally.   I do literally believe there is 6000 years between Adam and us.  Does this mean the earth is 6000 years old?  No.  There's no reason to believe that from anything in the Bible.  Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 are telling two different stories.  For a literal reader, the order of things happening is different in both chapters.  In Genesis 2, the LORD God creates Adam before he creates the garden, and before he creates the animals, and he creates the woman last.  I read this literally.  I'm sure he did things in that order regarding Adam.  But, that's not what happens in Genesis 1.  Hence, to my literal mind we are talking about two different time periods.  In Genesis 2 the LORD God creates the man first.

Just this little glimpse of a completely literal reading tells us there are times we do not know about in the past.  Likewise there are times we don't know about in the future.  All we know is that there are ages, and ages of ages.  This is the mistake everyone makes when they take the conclusion of one age to mean the conclusion of all time.   So I won't write the thesis this morning, but it could be coaxed out of me in little pieces. :icon_king:


Ephesians 2:7
That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

[jabcat]

"Summary" - perfect!   :thumbsup:

[micah7:9]

Why do you base your reasoning on, 
"In Genesis 2, the LORD God creates Adam before he creates the garden, and before he creates the animals, and he creates the woman last.  I read this literally.  I'm sure he did things in that order regarding Adam.  But, that's not what happens in Genesis 1.  Hence, to my literal mind we are talking about two different time periods."

That they are two different ages? Why does Gen. 1 need to be an age? I understand Gen. 1 as creation of/in/by the Word and with the reasoning that God is still in the process of creating the man of Gen 1:27 And creating is the Elohim humanity in His image. In the image of the Elohim He creates it. Male and female He creates them.(CLV)

Either way write some more on this.

[eaglesway]

I would like to suggest that chapter two is simply a more detailed exposition of the broad creation story given in chapter one.

In chapter one the "days"(periods) of creation are narrated. In chapter two a more detailed breakdown of the exact events is recounted, for the purpose of understanding the progress and the specifics of the history.

Please don't stone me :o), but I see no conclusive scriptural evidence to the contrary, and although I accept the possibility that various teachings about "the disruption" may have some merit(concerning angels pre -Adam maybe), they mostly turn on some IMO questionable distinctions in translation. IMO there is enough textual confirmation to teach it in detail as doctrine. Paul clearly states in Acts 17 that God made "from one man every nation of mankind". That man was Adam.

"The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands; nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things; and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation, that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said, 'For we also are His children.'
(Act 17:24-28)

Paul also clearly states,

Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned--
(Rom 5:12)

and,

"For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous."
(Rom 5:19)

I see one old creation/old man in Adam and one new creation/one new man in Christ.

I write this not to contend, but to present another viable scriptural viewpoint, for the benefit of any who might be searching. Test all things, hold that which is true. Peace, John