This has to be a REAL Delusion

[Shadow]

Whether or not people on here are ET/ED/UR, I'm sure that you'll all agree that this is a REAL delusion, this has been plastered all over the www and other forums

Stephen Hawking: God did not create Universe

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11161493

I'm open minded, but to me that article is pure nonsensical drivel...it makes less sense than believing in a Creator..as it too is based on faith (the very thing they say that belief in a God is what makes one delusional) and the atheists are singing his praises..talk about double standards

Have they gone stark raving mad or what

Besides the universe, there are also many unexplained mysteries as well, such as NDE's and what people experienced in OBE's plus everyone's unique DNA...I don't believe in a young universe but logic tells me that God started it and not some "big bang''

[shawn]

Steven Hawking...lol.  Listen, I won't deny he's a smart dude but come on.  The guy proposed a theory about black holes about 30 years ago that violated the laws of quantum physics.  Many physicists ate his dribble up.  He was very wrong. 

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Hawking admits being wrong
From: http://www.sophists.org/article348.html

The famous physicist admits he was wrong about black holes — and pays off a long-standing wager
By MICHAEL D. LEMONICK

For days the scientific grapevine had been buzzing with the news that Stephen Hawking, the brilliant physicist whose disease has put him in a wheelchair, heir to the revered Cambridge professorship once held by Isaac Newton, would be making a big announcement at a conference in Dublin, Ireland. Sure enough, last week before an array of TV cameras and hundreds of colleagues at the ordinarily obscure International Conference of General Relativity and Gravitation, Hawking declared that he had solved what he called "a major problem in theoretical physics." Black holes, he said, do not forever annihilate all traces of what falls into them.


In making that announcement, Hawking recanted a position he had held for nearly 30 years. He also pulled the rug out from under a generation of science-fiction fans, declaring dead a favorite plot device. "There is no possibility of using black holes to travel to other universes," he said, with evident regret. And, finally, he conceded defeat in a long-standing bet with Caltech astrophysicist John Preskill, who thought there wasn't a problem in the first place.

The issue arose back in the 1960s, when physicists first described black holes, objects whose gravity is so powerful that nothing can escape, not even light. Under such crushing force, all information about what formed the hole would be forever locked away: you would have no way of distinguishing between a black hole made from a dying star and one formed from a quadrillion tons of Gorgonzola cheese.

But in the mid-'70s, Hawking threw a theoretical monkey wrench into the works. It was known that empty space is bubbling with "virtual particles"--pairs of particles and antiparticles that spontaneously appear out of nowhere, then annihilate each other and vanish. That happens so fast the particles can hardly be said to exist. But if it happens right at the edge of a black hole, Hawking realized, one particle might fall in before the annihilation, leaving its twin to escape in the form of radiation. Because the books of the cosmos must balance, the particle that escaped would have to be subtracted from the mass of the black hole. And since virtual particles are appearing everywhere all the time, every black hole must constantly radiate energy and will eventually disappear.

That was the problem. According to basic quantum theory, information can't be destroyed. Hiding it away forever inside a black hole is bad enough, but hiding it in a hole that eventually evaporates is unthinkable.

Others have tackled that conundrum and solved it to their satisfaction using various mathematical stratagems. But, says Juan Maldacena, a string theorist at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, N.J., who has worked on the question, "what wasn't done was to explain precisely what was wrong with Hawking's original calculations in the '70s." Now Hawking claims to have done so. By doing the calculations a different way, he has convinced himself that the radiation flowing from a black hole actually carries information about the hole back out into the universe, although in a mangled form.

Whether he's right is another question. Many of the scientists present in Dublin last week were skeptical of his solution and said they would need to study it much more carefully before passing judgment. Says Preskill: "The mechanism he has in mind may not be so revolutionary." Nevertheless, Hawking acknowledged that Preskill had been right all along and paid off with the agreed-on prize: an encyclopedia. (The joke is that an encyclopedia, unlike a black hole, yields information easily. Hawking offered one on cricket, but Preskill held out for Total Baseball: The Ultimate Baseball Encyclopedia, which had to be flown in.)

The bottom line is that Hawking may or may not have solved a problem that may or may not have been a problem to begin with. You might well wonder why his announcement generated so much excitement. But when the subject is black holes and you're the world's most famous physicist — Hawking is not only a best-selling author but has also guest-starred on both Star Trek and The Simpsons — the usual rules don't apply.



Read more: http://meta-religion.com/Astronomy/Black_Holes/hawking_admits.htm#ixzz0yZRccadC

[thinktank]

At least he admits he is wrong, there's nothing worse than people who hold onto false beliefs despite the fact they know it's wrong.

[shawn]

At least he admits he is wrong, there's nothing worse than people who hold onto false beliefs despite the fact they know it's wrong.

It only took him 30 years but yeah he finally admitted it.

[Shadow]

At least he admits he is wrong, there's nothing worse than people who hold onto false beliefs despite the fact they know it's wrong.

That's a great step, people being able to admit they are wrong, I find it extremely annoying when people who don't know the truth themselves..... call others delusional

There are a number of books on the net, with very offensive and unflattering titles such as these

The God delusion
The Christian delusion
The Loftus delusion
The Infidel delusion
The Dawkins delusion
etc etc

if it wasn't so tragic, it would be funny, if anything it makes both fundamentalist christians and fundamentalist atheists look like opposite sides tarred with the same brush, using the same childish and mudslinging antics to get their points across  :thumbdown: , without properly addressing the points they are trying to get across and debunk and resorting to speculative and nonsensical arguments, both groups seem to thrive on hate and intolerence

Perhaps I'm delusional, because I happen to think BOTH are delusional (The Shadow Delusion?)

[Lefein]

There is nothing so deluded, as a one without a mirror.

Atheists are too busy looking at the universe to see its maker.  Fundamentalists are too busy looking at the Bible to see its writer.  But only a few look at themselves through the pupil-reflection in the eyes of God...and see the truth of things.

God made it all, through the means he decided to make it.  Whether or not he carved it like a sculptor throughout the aions, or drew it forth out of the cosmic dust that he spoke into being "In the beginning" in an instant!  It does not really matter so much at the heart of things; Let us not get too caught up at looking at the creation, and miss the creator too, like our Atheist brothers and sisters who will know the truth in God's due time.