Is it considered Blasphemy of the holy spirit to assume something is demonic

[Universalist Catholic]

In the bible, Jesus casts out Demons and the pharisees who knew Jesus' miracles said that his works were from Beelzebul.  But claimed that this sin would not be forgiven in this age or the upcoming age.  But all other sins would be forgiven.  People explain Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit as saying the power from God comes from Demons. 

However, I have believed many things to be demonic, like the current Church system, Marian Apparitions, experiences of going to hell(Bill Weise, Mary Baxter), the Government, and a while ago, annoying things my cousins did.  Would that count as Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit?

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: In a word....NO.

[Nancy]

hi there UC,
Didn't St. Paul tell us to test the spirits to see that they are from God.

By the way i was diagnosed with OCD 12 years ago so you're not alone.

Godbless
Nancy

[Nathan]

I have a strong sense the belief of demons as the general church population describes them to be, is connected with eternal destruction or torment as well as all the other traditional doctrines the mainline church embraces and defends.

It's an area where I personally have had to lay it down and take another look at it from where God has me now rather than from where I've come from.  Most all of the instances where I see the enemy at work now is not from an invisible force on the outside of me trying to get in, but it's the carnal force inside me trying to manifest itself "through" me.

I'm at the place now where I believe all the things I used to chalk up as demonic or the devil trying to attack me are really my mind creating false images, causing me to hear things that aren't there, seeing things that aren't there . . .

As far as I can see now, every experience I've seen personally and read Scripturally, can really be explained by the fact that the person who was "possessed" was really operating out of their own head.  Carnality can manifest in countless forms through countless situations.

This is not to take away from the spiritual gifts, but I do think people walk in dislocated alignment which causes mysterious manifestations in people which I believe each individual's personality causes the different symptoms of the same inward disconnect.  But when we do enter into the spirit, there is an aligning that God does inside us that on the outward can give the impression of something we identify as a demonic cleansing when all it really is, is the Holy Spirit bringing peace to our inward man.

Even in Scripture, the guy who is said to have a legion of demons in him . . .in the end of the story after he's been delivered, it subtly states that he was sitting (sign of rest) fully clothed and he was of a "sound mind".  "So why did the pigs throw themselves over the bluff??"

I think it was over in the soul thread that we touched on this idea, but the conscious thinking man hasn't got a clue just how much power we have in this natural realm.  I'm no genius by any stretch of ones imagination, but I did do just a little reading up on quantum physics and found that when we take the time to do a focussed study on either the micro-world or go to the other extreme and look at the gigantic .  .such as galaxies, comets, planets . .we find that we can't apply the common laws of physics to either of these extremes because often times, there's just no explanation as to why things do what they do.

I think our imaginations create things around us, or destruct things around us.  I do know there are atoms, invisible to the natural eye, that respond to our words and voices.  I think we release a lot more power than our consciousness is aware of.

But to blame everything on a demon is to duck personal responsibility for my own nature.  When Scripture speaks of an evil spirit . . .are we not all spirit beings?   For me, to test the spirits is to listen for the sound of life to come out of whoever is doing the talking.  If all it is, is noise, then I know not to eat from the fruit of what they are saying.

[Beloved Servant]

"And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof" (Gen 2:19).

Can the Hebrew word ('al or 'el) be translated, instead, with the word into?

[Nathan]

Or "out of" Adam maybe?  Actually they were formed out of the same mold as Adam was . .both were formed out of the earth . . .pre-curse.   But it is interesting how man has many if not all of the characteristics as the animal kingom.  Sometimes we're stubborn as mules, Jesus states to be wise as serpents and harmelss as doves we have a whale of an appetite, we get mad as hornets we're often blind as a bat, strong as an ox . . .wild banchee is my favorite though.  I don't really know what one looks like, but I get called it a lot over the years.

[Beloved Servant]

...and soar like eagles!

It seems, to me, more than obvious that these are not simply metaphors.

There is a connection to their natures (names) and our behaviors!

[thinktank]

In the bible, Jesus casts out Demons and the pharisees who knew Jesus' miracles said that his works were from Beelzebul.  But claimed that this sin would not be forgiven in this age or the upcoming age.  But all other sins would be forgiven.  People explain Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit as saying the power from God comes from Demons. 

However, I have believed many things to be demonic, like the current Church system, Marian Apparitions, experiences of going to hell(Bill Weise, Mary Baxter), the Government, and a while ago, annoying things my cousins did.  Would that count as Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit?

You addressed something I was affraid of bringing up on the other thread. But I think what's important is that we recognize God when we see him. The pharisses during Jesus time, could not see Jesus, where does this fella come from they would say, we have one father even God, if God were your father you would belive that the father has sent me. You are of the father the devil and the lusts of your father you will do.
Jesus

I want to highlight that, the pharisses did that which is evil. And they, even being full of sin thought they could understand spiritual things. The sin blinded them so much that they could not even perceive that Jesus was from God(note that some pharisses did recognize Jesus, they were not spiritually blind). So if there are sins in our life (All sin- even apostle Paul) but he that comiteth to sin is partially blind to the things of God. Jesus said "They being blind might see and they that see might be made blind".

So I guess my message would be, we cannot spiritually discern good and evil, unless we are not slaves to sin, so  I think the bible message is avoid calling "miracles" demonic if one is not spiritually clean, for the uncleaness might blind one to the miracles and mistake Gods holyness as being demonic. But I think one would have to be pretty heavyilly into sin for that to happen.

[Cardinal]

...and soar like eagles!

It seems, to me, more than obvious that these are not simply metaphors.

There is a connection to their natures (names) and our behaviors!

:cloud9: Amen, no it's true; they are not just metaphors.....deliverance is separating the waters FROM the waters, and only God can do that. Blessings...

[Nathan]

Here's an example for you . . .
Last night in our weekly Bible study, a lady shared a testimony that happened to her this week.  She's a twin but her sister died 7 years ago and her sisters kids have adopted her as their mother . . . they were already an extremely close family, this was just typical of their love for the sister still alive.

At any rate, one of the daughters cut herself somehow and they were rushing her into the hospital.  It happened so fast that they didn't bother calling in ahead, they just put her in the car and off they went.  As they entered the emergency entrance, a nurse was waiting at the curb for them.  When they got out, she turned to the girl who cut herself and asked if her name was Heather.

She said yes it was . . .the nurse then replied, "well, your Mom just called and said you were coming and that you should call her back when you're all right."  That sort of put everyone there in confusion because the nurse was the only one that didn't know her mother was dead.  The nurse handed Heather a slip of paper with a return phone number on it.  It was the number their mother used when she was alive.  It had been disconnected shortly after her death.

Now . . ."in" the car was the other living twin who they adopted as their mother.  She's a very godly woman.  And also in the car was another daughter who is into spiritual things, just not godly things.  But when this incident began to unfold, it became clear "within" every one of them that it wasn't demonic, it was God reaching out to them.  It was an awesome testimony and they will never be the same afterwards.  Even the scar from the cut will be a reminder that God showed up that day.

As for the devil being the father of the Pharisees . . .hmmm . . .
that's pretty rich.  If I look for the spiritual principle here rather than a literal event, Pharisees represent the religious or religious mind . . .and why would I not be bound by my religion if it were not for my mind being the source of my operation?  My doctrine is built on lies because that's what my carnal mind does.  It can't tell the truth because my mind doesn't have the capacity to comprehend what truth is unless the Father "reveals" it to me.

It really doesn't do anything to support the idea that the devil is what we've been taught that he is to be.  It's all in the perspective from which we live, move and have our being.