The movie Hellbound

[VineBranch]

    the definition is ironic humour/dry humour...it is not appreciated by all people..


    'irony' is...the person with the doctrine of et[doctrine of the devil/liar] thinks the person

  who is speaking truth and love/mercy of God..is the devil.

       I've always appreciated it...but know that some do not.

   sometimes some situations are so ludicrous and absurd,you have to laugh to keep

from crying.

I find it ironic that hell is always populated by the 'other' guys.

[sheila]

   I have a 'question"...what did you find 'funny' about reading about 'Hubbard"? Did you find it

ludricous? Ironic? Entertaining? We need to delineate what is 'appropriate' humour here..

  non-condemnable humour that is 'allowable' and what is over the line.

   

[dajomaco]

Or is that two levels right there? this life and the long day of review/'judgment' following the 2nd resurrection)...

While I believe there will be a greatly increased birth rate in the Millennial Age, for our purposes it is enough to propose an estimate of the number of people born then based on the present rate of increase.  That, and all those born in the previous 6 thousand years are about 20 billion.

It is commonly thought that in The Last Judgement each person will stand before God as an individual while everybody else watches.  If each person has 10 minutes with Jesus it would take 7,624,641 years.  If we could tarry with Him for 1 hour it would take 45,797,846 years.  Assuming 75 years as an average lifespan, if it each person's life was replayed and the judging took an equal amount of time to transpire, we could be undergoing The Last Judgement for 3 trillion years.

Perhaps there is something wrong with this idea?

One could follow the idea for a moment longer to point out God may have nobody in Paradise or the lake of fire for a very long time if the common belief is considered.  Maybe He'll like it that way?  It wouldn't be the first time He changed His mind.  Of course this is dealing with popular traditions and not quite the truth.

I like giving myself the freedom to imagine.
Eternity gives us the option of never ending dreams.
I know every thing that has happened to me is recorded.
May-be my life is recorded and will be played with
my self and God watching.
I could ask him questions as it is played. 
May be each one of us will watch every persons live.

(Wow big line up to-night  who's playing.
" I think there playing the fourth Pope.)

[lomarah]

    the definition is ironic humour/dry humour...it is not appreciated by all people..


    'irony' is...the person with the doctrine of et[doctrine of the devil/liar] thinks the person

  who is speaking truth and love/mercy of God..is the devil.

       I've always appreciated it...but know that some do not.

   sometimes some situations are so ludicrous and absurd,you have to laugh to keep

from crying.

I've got a funny story that depicts this perfectly.

One night I was playing Scrabble with my grandmother and aunt. (Both avid churchgoers and traditionalists.) I can't even remember how but "UR" came up. My aunt was pretty open to it (I was surprised!) as long as it was scriptural (which I assured her it was). I quoted verse upon verse. I would give them a "belief" of mine, my grandmother would say, "I don't believe that", and then quote me a verse, then I would quote a verse back to her and she would be like, "Well that's true..." (For example I told them every knee would bow and tongue confess Jesus Christ as Lord, to the glory of God the Father, she came back with the "well yeah, but that's after they have no choice and see Him in His glory", I came back with no man can confess Jesus is Lord apart from the Holy Spirit. She said, "that's true...") Anyhow, I was also telling them about how I prayed for the truth about how if hell is good would He please show me because I just couldn't see it, and how shortly after that there was a link on the side of my email about how "hell" is not eternal and then went to the library, not looking for anything at all to do with "UR" and the three books I brought home all either hinted at or openly taught "UR". My grandmother asked, "Are you sure that wasn't Satan??" Lol I said no Grammy, I'm sure it was God. She said how do you know? I said because I'm finally experiencing the abundant life that Christ came to bring!! I am finally able to hear His voice again after many years of not being able too.

A little while later my uncle came to pick up my aunt. We weren't quite done our game so he sat down and chatted with us while we finished up. Somehow the show "Touched by an Angel" came up. I was saying how I used to love that show and used to watch it all the time. My uncle scoffed, "Ha, that show has such a watered down gospel. It's like God loves everyone!" (He said that twice, very scoffingly, "It's like God loves everyone!") I was sort of like  :mshock: ... "He DOES love everyone..." Then he was like, "It's like Universalism or something!" Well the three of us ladies just cracked up because we had just had a rather intense conversation about that very topic. But I could see on my grandmother's face that she took that as a "sign" that "UR" is not in fact real, and that I should take that as my sign too.

When I arrived home I had a chat with my Dad who had been watching my kids for me while I was out. (My husband was away.) Somehow the topic of my friend came up (who I had met online a few years ago) and how he was sure I was being scammed by this person, and they are definitely an internet scammer, I am incredibly naive and am being taken advantage of. He was extremely upset and angry with this person (and at me). (Now I know beyond a shadow of a doubt this person is NOT an internet scammer, they are one of my best friends in the whole world and the Lord very obviously brought us together.) So anyhow, in the middle of his lecture my friend texts me to tell me they have been robbed. This was pretty much exactly what my dad was telling me was going to happen. ("Just watch, they are going to start needing more and more money... their car will break down, they'll need money for medical bills, etc, etc".) [Just to be clear my friend was not asking for money, they were venting to me like we always do.]

He left and I just sank down in my chair, about to burst into tears. I just put my head in my hands and said, "Lord!". Well the irony of it all hit me and I could feel His humour and I just cracked up laughing so hard. I stuck my finger in the air and pointed to the heavens and exclaimed, "YOU did this didn't You?!? You are TORMENTING me LOL!!"

He DOES have a sense of humour hahaha.  :smile:

[VineBranch]

I have a 'question"...what did you find 'funny' about reading about 'Hubbard"? Did you find it ludricous? Ironic? Entertaining? We need to delineate what is 'appropriate' humour here..
non-condemnable humour that is 'allowable' and what is over the line.   

I found it funny/silly.  I usually find those who take their own godhood seriously very funny:  it reminds me of high farse theatre.  You laugh because they don't see their own absurdity while those around them do.  I am a great fan of farse, but not when it hurts others.  The Sea Organization bullies those who would be iconoclastic against Hubbard, and those Nazi's aren't funny.

[VineBranch]

I've got a funny story that depicts this perfectly.

One night I was playing Scrabble with my grandmother and aunt. (Both avid churchgoers and traditionalists.) I can't even remember how but "UR" came up. My aunt was pretty open to it (I was surprised!) as long as it was scriptural (which I assured her it was). I quoted verse upon verse. I would give them a "belief" of mine, my grandmother would say, "I don't believe that", and then quote me a verse, then I would quote a verse back to her and she would be like, "Well that's true..." (For example I told them every knee would bow and tongue confess Jesus Christ as Lord, to the glory of God the Father, she came back with the "well yeah, but that's after they have no choice and see Him in His glory", I came back with no man can confess Jesus is Lord apart from the Holy Spirit. She said, "that's true...") Anyhow, I was also telling them about how I prayed for the truth about how if hell is good would He please show me because I just couldn't see it, and how shortly after that there was a link on the side of my email about how "hell" is not eternal and then went to the library, not looking for anything at all to do with "UR" and the three books I brought home all either hinted at or openly taught "UR". My grandmother asked, "Are you sure that wasn't Satan??" Lol I said no Grammy, I'm sure it was God. She said how do you know? I said because I'm finally experiencing the abundant life that Christ came to bring!! I am finally able to hear His voice again after many years of not being able too.

A little while later my uncle came to pick up my aunt. We weren't quite done our game so he sat down and chatted with us while we finished up. Somehow the show "Touched by an Angel" came up. I was saying how I used to love that show and used to watch it all the time. My uncle scoffed, "Ha, that show has such a watered down gospel. It's like God loves everyone!" (He said that twice, very scoffingly, "It's like God loves everyone!") I was sort of like  :mshock: ... "He DOES love everyone..." Then he was like, "It's like Universalism or something!" Well the three of us ladies just cracked up because we had just had a rather intense conversation about that very topic. But I could see on my grandmother's face that she took that as a "sign" that "UR" is not in fact real, and that I should take that as my sign too.

When I arrived home I had a chat with my Dad who had been watching my kids for me while I was out. (My husband was away.) Somehow the topic of my friend came up (who I had met online a few years ago) and how he was sure I was being scammed by this person, and they are definitely an internet scammer, I am incredibly naive and am being taken advantage of. He was extremely upset and angry with this person (and at me). (Now I know beyond a shadow of a doubt this person is NOT an internet scammer, they are one of my best friends in the whole world and the Lord very obviously brought us together.) So anyhow, in the middle of his lecture my friend texts me to tell me they have been robbed. This was pretty much exactly what my dad was telling me was going to happen. ("Just watch, they are going to start needing more and more money... their car will break down, they'll need money for medical bills, etc, etc".) [Just to be clear my friend was not asking for money, they were venting to me like we always do.]

He left and I just sank down in my chair, about to burst into tears. I just put my head in my hands and said, "Lord!". Well the irony of it all hit me and I could feel His humour and I just cracked up laughing so hard. I stuck my finger in the air and pointed to the heavens and exclaimed, "YOU did this didn't You?!? You are TORMENTING me LOL!!"

He DOES have a sense of humour hahaha.  :smile:

Which just goes to prove what I've said for years:  Scrabble is of the Devil (for 15 and double-word score).

[lomarah]

Lol! My husband would believe you. He hates Scrabble lol. :)

[sheila]

 I have an incident to share,too.   I was watching my five grand-children[little ones] and was

just about at the end of my rope..that day. Really exhausted..cleaning up after them..cleaning them.

Ready to drop any moment.  When all of the sudden a voice said 'He maketh the desolate

woman a joyful mother and keeper of house"  My chin..almost literally hit the floor.

      I'm sure He got a chuckle out of my reaction to that :laugh:   And then..when the shock

  subsided....I started laughing, too. Spent the rest of the day just kinda shaking my head..

  with a grin on my face.

[eaglesway]

That is some sweet heavenly humor :o) Even God's jokes edify.

[sheila]

yep....I think He was wanting me ..to count it all as joy..any hardship we undergo..trial

   James 1;2-8

[lomarah]

Hehe that's cute Sheila! I know the feeling so well of going around for the rest of the day shaking your head and cracking up hahaha He's been doing stuff like that to me so much lately. Like one evening a few weeks ago I was pouring my heart out to Him, and I was sobbing, and I mean SOBBING, (like to the point of wailing almost), and I was being met with dead silence. So of course that wasn't making my sobbing lessen any, so after about ten minutes of begging Him to answer me, to no avail, I said Lord I'm basically at the point of giving up here. So as a last ditch effort I opened my Bible and one of the first things I laid my eyes on was a James 4:9:

"Be wretched and mourn and weep."

Well I just about died of laughter, I could just feel His humour all over that and for the next couple of hours He poured out His revelation to me from His Word. Hahaha I laughed and shook my head about that one for a good couple of weeks. :)

[sheila]

yep,that's Him alright!   Once, I asked my husband....[I was asking for it! I know!] what was his favourite

thing about me. He said ' that stupid look you get on your face when youv'e screwed up"

.....now...sometimes....I think....the stupid look I get on my face...may be what Jesus likes best about me,too!!

[lomarah]

Aw! Was he saying that in a cruel way? If he was I want to slap him...  :msealed:

I bet Jesus loves so much about you Sheila... there is so much about you to love!

[sheila]

   I don't think he meant it cruelly...I think he was being honest :laugh:   I think.! Lol!!...........I may just have one of

  those kind of faces :laugh: :laugh:

[lomarah]

Lol according to my husband I can make some pretty ridiculous looking faces as well. :)

[VineBranch]

I had a face once; now I have a beard.

[sheila]

 I hope it is nicely trimmed.......that's what I like :banana: :banana:

[VineBranch]

My greatest joy is that I don't need two beards:  one for each chin.