The byrds - turn, turn, turn

[sven]

I came across this song in the radio, not long ago, they used the Bible text of Ecclesiastes

To everything - turn, turn, turn
There is a season - turn, turn, turn
And a time for every purpose under heaven

A time to be born, a time to die
A time to plant, a time to reap
A time to kill, a time to heal
A time to laugh, a time to weep

To everything - turn, turn, turn
There is a season - turn, turn, turn
And a time for every purpose under heaven

A time to build up, a time to break down
A time to dance, a time to mourn
A time to cast away stones
A time to gather stones together

To everything - turn, turn, turn
There is a season - turn, turn, turn
And a time for every purpose under heaven

A time of war, a time of peace
A time of love, a time of hate
A time you may embrace
A time to refrain from embracing

To everything - turn, turn, turn
There is a season - turn, turn, turn
And a time for every purpose under heaven

A time to gain, a time to lose
A time to rend, a time to sew
A time to love, a time to hate
A time of peace, I swear it's not too late!

do you know this song and how you do like it?

[martincisneros]

There's not a season for everything and a time for every purpose under heaven if UR and Postmillenialism aren't true.  (My intro to Postmillenialism, [and helpful links,] is on the Book of Revelation board on this same forum.)  Otherwise, sin has always been and always will be, and that would wind up proving by resurrection time to have been God's only purpose as the annihilationists have always insisted, rather than a victorious Gospel that triumphs over absolutely every heart on the planet for whole generations at a time leading up to the world that's supposed to be the opposite of the generation of Noah's Flood according to 2Peter 3, i.e. an "antitype."  The longsuffering of the Lord is salvation, rather than the degeneration of society continuing to progress at the hands of the devil.

Premillenialism winds up being the same problem to this Ecclesiastes 3 passage, because if we're to strictly interpret only 8 saved by the Ark before the wrath come barrelling down upon the planet whipping up on Jew and Gentile alike, sans the 144,000, then there was never any purpose of the risen Christ and of Christ within us other than sin and righteousness to continue growing until the end of this world -- and those were only supposed to be growing up together until the end of the last world and of the world that's been coming to a close over the last few years, but Biblically isn't supposed to go much further into the next thousand years plus -- otherwise, the time of God's regrafting of Israel AND the actual nations (i.e. rather than just representations of every nation) never comes.  And when I say "only 8," I'm talking about this false remnant doctrine being taken as "strict interpretation" as is a prevalant presumption rather than claiming I've ever actually heard anyone claim only 8 going up in a carnal rapture -- though this passage regarding Noah is a favorite passage to cite from Genesis by those who hold to that carnal doctrine.

If the Son of Man doesn't find faith in the earth when He returns, to judge the living and the dead, then righteousness is never quite made full in human history in the way that iniquity would become full in previous eons -- which makes a mockery of the Gospel and the "much more" of Romans 5.  Some people are under the mistaken sin consciousness deception of the devil that judgment day can only come when iniquity is full, and have never considered the day that righteousness would become full that the Gospel assures us will happen in human history. 

If this never happens, then there wasn't a season (i.e. a harvest) for everything and a time (i.e. a birth) for every purpose under heaven.  And consequently, unfortunately, the image of Jesus Christ would have never been reproduced in the earth -- which even anyone that can't quite see the Postmillenialism, by virtue of being married to Premillenialism or Amillenialism, would still have to find problematic if they'd simply be honest with themselves as they think back through the New Testament.  A lot of Premillenialists will think problem is solved by their rapture doctrine, but Paul doesn't connect the two together, even allowing the horrendously carnal interpretation of 1Corinthians 15 and 1Thessalonians 4. 

Paul doesn't connect the two in talking about the conformity of the corporate Body with the image of Jesus Christ and the discipleship of the nations.  It's an inference and a leap of Unbiblical faith, nothing more.  Even allowing a sufficiently perverse dividing of the Word that would allow that for a moment, it still wouldn't solve the difficulty created of the vindication of the Name of God in the earth within natural flesh and blood man.  You'd be talking about entirely different creatures, per 1Corinthians 15, rather than the justification of life spoken of in Romans 5.

[martincisneros]

A quicky on "flesh and blood can't inherit the Kingdom, neither doth the perishable inherit the imperishable."  "Flesh" as used in the Gospel, as interpreted for us in John's Gospel, is a mindset rather than the opaque to translucent whatever that covers our bones.  "The flesh profits nothing, but the Words that I speak to you are Spirit and they are life," is what Jesus said.  He wasn't saying His physical body profited nothing, otherwise, there goes the Scriptural doctrine of the atonement 'cause He was talking about His flesh or natural inclinations or what He might be tempted to think of the situation rather than the Words the Holy Spirit was having Him to give to others.  And the blood reference in "can't inherit the Kingdom" is obviously talking about military might in the context of the Roman world to whom St. Paul was addressing that, otherwise, you've thrown out the New Testament doctrine of the Blood of Christ if it doesn't bring us all things and cancel absolutely any and all of our debts: spiritual, soulish, physical, financial, and social.  And therefore, the "perishable not being able to inherit the imperishable" is obviously talking about carnal thinking not being able to stand side by side; the bitter water with the sweet, with the imperishable mindset of the Kingdom and inherit the results of God's ways of doing and being right which are laid out for us in the New Testament for being conformed with the image of Jesus Christ and meeting absolutely every single need around us.

[Eleutheros]

I came across this song in the radio, not long ago, they used the Bible text of Ecclesiastes

To everything - turn, turn, turn
There is a season - turn, turn, turn
And a time for every purpose under heaven

A time to be born, a time to die
A time to plant, a time to reap
A time to kill, a time to heal
A time to laugh, a time to weep

To everything - turn, turn, turn
There is a season - turn, turn, turn
And a time for every purpose under heaven

A time to build up, a time to break down
A time to dance, a time to mourn
A time to cast away stones
A time to gather stones together

To everything - turn, turn, turn
There is a season - turn, turn, turn
And a time for every purpose under heaven

A time of war, a time of peace
A time of love, a time of hate
A time you may embrace
A time to refrain from embracing

To everything - turn, turn, turn
There is a season - turn, turn, turn
And a time for every purpose under heaven

A time to gain, a time to lose
A time to rend, a time to sew
A time to love, a time to hate
A time of peace, I swear it's not too late!

do you know this song and how you do like it?

Hello Sven.

I love this song. It was actually witten by Pete Seeger. Of course this is some old stuff I'm talking about here. But it's good to hear that The Byrds version is still getting the airplay it deserves.

Intrestingly enough the Hebrew word for 'purpose' chayphets means "that which you desire or delight to do"

Funny. Because the wisdom of Ecclesiasties 3:1-8 helped me get through a very nasty 15 month long custody battle from which I emerged victorious because truth was with me and not her.

It is a truth for this aeon, for sure. Even as I look forward to the aeon when it's truth is made obsolete.

Till then, though, it remains truth.

Even as The Preacher concluded:

All has been heard; the end of the matter is: Fear God and keep His commandments, for this is the whole of man and the whole for every man.
For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it is good or evil.

And so, be good!

Exactly as you were created to be!

[Redlettervoice]

I came across this song in the radio, not long ago, they used the Bible text of Ecclesiastes

To everything - turn, turn, turn
There is a season - turn, turn, turn
And a time for every purpose under heaven

A time to be born, a time to die
A time to plant, a time to reap
A time to kill, a time to heal
A time to laugh, a time to weep

To everything - turn, turn, turn
There is a season - turn, turn, turn
And a time for every purpose under heaven

A time to build up, a time to break down
A time to dance, a time to mourn
A time to cast away stones
A time to gather stones together

To everything - turn, turn, turn
There is a season - turn, turn, turn
And a time for every purpose under heaven

A time of war, a time of peace
A time of love, a time of hate
A time you may embrace
A time to refrain from embracing

To everything - turn, turn, turn
There is a season - turn, turn, turn
And a time for every purpose under heaven

A time to gain, a time to lose
A time to rend, a time to sew
A time to love, a time to hate
A time of peace, I swear it's not too late!

do you know this song and how you do like it?

I llllllllllllllliiiiiiiiiikkkkkkkkkke it!!!

[DeAndra]

I am a 70's baby and I always would hear this song but never paid any attention to the lyrics: 




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