Shine!

[lomarah]

I often pray that I could see Him.

[sheila]

...expectation postponed make the heart [love]sick...

   if you see Him..tell Him my heart is faint with love. [SOS]

[eaglesway]

Sometimes I do. Sometimes I long for leeks and the shadow of Egypt. O double minded man that I am :o)

[lomarah]

I'm not hol(e)y enough for leeks.

:laughing7:  :laughing7:   :laughing7:

[Deena]

Too funny, Lo, and yes EW, I too can be lured away with painful inconsistency. Shiela, you also hit it on the head--I remember the proverb as "hope deferred makes the heart sick". Occasionally I get irritated at my distant lover and stubornly say, I will not chase after You today. I have come to realize I am the only one who suffers in doing so.

[Molly]

He is Spirit, and He wants you to worship Him in spirit and in truth.

That is the way you will see Him.


[but that's only my opinion  :winkgrin:]

[redhotmagma]

Molly are you saying you dont believe in a separate as in outside of you jesus returning anymore?  :dsunny:

[jabcat]

I look forward to your reply Molly.   :bigGrin:  I might even comment after you've answered.   :NewB1:

[ded2daworld]

This was written approximately 25 years AFTER the death and resurrection of Jesus.

1 Tim  2:5-6

"For there is One God and One mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
who gave himself as a ransom for all men-"

Notice it does not say - the spirit, Christ Jesus
Only the man Christ Jesus could possibly BE our mediator between us people and God the holy spirit.
"The Father is spirit"

[sheila]

Mtt 1;18  this is how the birth of Jesus Christ come about...His mother,Mary, was pledged to be married

to Joseph, but before they came togather..'she was found to be with child through the Holy spirit...

.....who IS this spirit Man?..this last man Adam..who is a quickening spirit.?   food for thought...

[eaglesway]

He is Jesus, the Messiah, of the lineage of David according to the flesh. The only begotten Son of God in the lineage of the Spirit, the firstborn of many brethren. He was crucified for the sins of mankind. He was raised from the dead on the third day. He was glorified at the Father's right hand and is the fountain of living waters, having received the Spirit without measure.

Ephesians 1:13-23 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God's own possession, to the praise of His glory.

  For this reason I too, having heard of the faith in the Lord Jesus which exists among you and your love for all the saints, do not cease giving thanks for you, while making mention of you in my prayers; that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of Him.  I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened, so that you will know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward us who believe. These are in accordance with the working of the strength of His might which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

More food for thought :o)

[redhotmagma]

Now we know no man after the flesh (speaking of Jesus who was formerly known that way)

More food for thought. :)

Does that make this a food fight?  :laughing7:

[jabcat]

I'm aware of the "He only comes IN us, exhibits Himself in us, etc.." teaching.  I personally believe it's both - he manifests in us, (also often spiritually returns), but will also  literally return at the appointed time ("no man knows the DAY nor the HOUR")  to "judge both the living and the dead".  "We will always be with Him".   "Comfort one another with these words"...

Anyone who sees it some other way, if this isn't correct, please let me know, but I personally believe the teaching that He won't literally return but will only be present in His saints, mainly began to occur in the 1940's, in large part from the "Latter Rain" movement.  If it goes back further than that, please show me, and also why the following scrips mean something different - not through vague, questionable, "over-spiritualizing" interpretations (I've already seen those)   :laughing7:   :Peace2:, but clearly with solid scriptural evidence.  Thanks :)  Because;

IMO, growing into maturity, and having Him literally appear to reign and bring us immortality at His appearing, are not mutually exclusive.  I believe both are scriptural.  I also believe that either their death to go be in His presence, or Christ's return, was the hope of the disciples and Paul, as stated over and over in the scriptures.  Paul said "if I have hope IN THIS LIFE ONLY, I am of all men most miserable." I Cor. 15:19

Jesus' left with a new, different, spiritual body - but it was a body.  Not the flesh and blood of earth, but the body of the New Man.  And we're told just as He went away, He will return.  Acts 1:11  Paul said there is a natural body (flesh and blood) and a spiritual body (a body, but somehow different, some call it "glorified".  One mortal, the other immortal.  I Cor. 15:44


Matthew 25:31-46 when He returns  in His glory that He would judge and separate the righteous from the wicked.

In 2 Thessalonians 1:6-9, Paul uses the promise of Jesus return as a source of comfort to suffering believers and as a warning to those who had persecuted them. ..when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus."

Acts 1:11-THIS SAME JESUS...SHALL SO COME
    Acts 3:20-HE SHALL SEND JESUS CHRIST
    Acts 15:16-I WILL RETURN
    1 Chr 16:33-HE COMETH TO JUDGE
    1 Cor 1:7-THE COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST
    1 Cor 4:5-THE LORD COME
    1 Cor 11:26-TILL HE COME
    1 Cor 13:10,12-THAT WHICH IS PERFECT IS COME...THEN FACE TO FACE
    Col 3:4-CHRIST...SHALL APPEAR
    Dan 7:9-THE ANCIENT OF DAYS DID SIT
    Dan 7:22-THE ANCIENT OF DAYS CAME
    Dan 9:24-TO BRING IN EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS
    Deut 33:2-THE LORD CAME...HE CAME (Perhaps dual meaning)
    Ezek 21:27-UNTIL HE COME
    Ezek 43:2-THE GOD OF ISRAEL CAME
    Ezek 44:2-THE LORD...HATH ENTERED IN
    Ezek 44:3-THE PRINCE, HE SHALL SIT IN IT
    Gen 49:10-UNTIL SHILOH COME
    Hab 3:3-GOD CAME...HIS GLORY COVERED THE HEAVENS
    Hag 2:7-THE DESIRE OF ALL NATIONS SHALL COME
    Hos 6:3-HE SHALL COME
    Hos 10:12-HE COME
    Isa 31:4-THE LORD OF HOSTS COME
    Isa 34:5-SHALL COME
    Isa 35:4-YOUR GOD WILL COME
    Isa 40:10-THE LORD GOD WILL COME
    Isa 59:20-THE REDEEMER SHALL COME
    Isa 62:11-THY SALVATION COMETH
    Isa 66:5-HE SHALL APPEAR
    Isa 66:15-THE LORD WILL COME
    Ja 5:8-THE COMING OF THE LORD DRAWETH NIGH
    Job 19:25-MY REDEEMER...SHALL STAND AT THE LATTER DAY UPON THE EARTH
    Jn 21:22-I COME
    1 Jn 2:28-WHEN HE SHALL APPEAR
    1 Jn 3:2-WHEN HE SHALL APPEAR...WE SHALL SEE HIM AS HE IS
    Jude 14-THE LORD COMETH
    Lk 9:26-HE SHALL COME
    Lk 21:27-THE SON OF MAN COMING
    Mal 3:2-THE DAY OF HIS COMING...HE APPEARETH
    Mal 3:18-THEN SHALL YE RETURN
    Mk 13:26-THEY SHALL THEY SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING
    Mt 10:23-THE SON OF MAN BE COME
    Mt 16:27-THE SON OF MAN SHALL COME
    Mt 16:28-THEY SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING
    Mt 24:27-SO SHALL...THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN BE
    Mt 24:30-THEY SHALL SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING
    Mt 25:19-THE LORD...COMETH
    Mt 25:31-THE SON OF MAN SHALL COME
    Mt 26:64-HEREAFTER...YE SEE THE SON OF MAN...COMING
    Mic 5:2-SHALL HE COME FORTH...THAT IS TO BE RULER IN ISRAEL
    Num 24:17-THERE SHALL COME A STAR
    Num 24:19-SHALL COME HE
    1 Pe 1:7-THE APPEARING OF JESUS CHRIST
    2 Pe 1:16-THE...COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST
    Ps 24:7-THE KING OF GLORY SHALL COME
    Ps 50:3-OUR GOD SHALL COME
    Ps 72:6-HE SHALL COME
    Ps 96:13-HE COMETH TO JUDGE
    Ps 97:4-HIS LIGHTNINGS ENLIGHTENED THE WORLD
    Ps 97:5-THE HILLS MELTED LIKE WAX AT THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD
    Ps 97:6-ALL THE PEOPLE SEE HIS GLORY
    Ps 102:16-THE LORD...HE SHALL APPEAR
    Rev 1:7-HE COMETH
    Rev 1:8-THE LORD...WHICH IS TO COME
    Rev 2:25-I COME
    Rev 16:15-I COME
    Rev 19:11,15-HE...SAT UPON (a white horse)...HE SHALL RULE...HE TREADETH THE WINE PRESS
    Rev 22:7-I COME QUICKLY
    Rev 22:20-I COME QUICKLY
    Ro 11:26-THERE SHALL COME...THE DELIVERER
    1 Thes 3:13-THE COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST
    2 Thes 1:7-THE LORD JESUS SHALL BE REVEALED FROM HEAVEN
    2 Thes 1:10-HE SHALL COME
    2 Thes 2:8-THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS COMING
    1 Tim 6:14-THE APPEARING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST
    2 Tim 4:1-THE LORD JESUS CHRIST...AT HIS APPEARING
    Zech 2:10-SING AND REJOICE...I COME
    Zech 3:8-I WILL BRING FORTH MY SERVANT THE BRANCH
    Zech 6:12-THE BRANCH...HE SHALL BUILD
    Zech 8:3-I AM RETURNED
    Zech 9:10-HIS DOMINION SHALL BE
    Zech 12:10-THEY SHALL LOOK UPON ME WHOM THEY HAVE PIERCED
    Zech 14:3-THEN SHALL THE LORD GO FORTH
    Zech 14:4-HIS FEET SHALL STAND...UPON THE MOUNT OF OLIVES
    Zech 14:5-THE LORD...SHALL COME

    1 Thes 2:19-FOR WHAT IS OUR HOPE, OR JOY, OR CROWN OF REJOICING? ARE NOT EVEN YE IN THE PRESENCE OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST AT HIS COMING? Titus 2:13-LOOKING FOR THAT BLESSED HOPE, AND THE GLORIOUS APPEARING OF THE GREAT GOD AND OUR SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST.

Blessings.

[Molly]

Molly are you saying you dont believe in a separate as in outside of you jesus returning anymore?  :dsunny:

No, lol.  I wasn't saying that.  I agree with Jab.   I'm talking about now,  during this age.  It is possible to see Jesus very clearly and tangibly now, but only through spirit.  [I realize there are some exceptions to this, but they are rare.]






John 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.

Psalm 145:18 The LORD is near to all who call on him, to all who call on him in truth.


God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

---John 4:24

[jabcat]

"know no man after the flesh"

i.e., change how one views another - spiritual vs. completely earthly connection, relationship, estimation.

Vincent's Word Studies - After the flesh (κατὰ σάρκα)

"He who knows no man after the flesh, has, for example, in the case of the Jew, entirely lost sight of his Jewish origin; in that of the rich man, of his riches; in that of the learned of his learning; in that of the slave, of his servitude"

Barnes - The word "know" here (οἴδαμεν oidamen) is used in the sense of, we form our estimate of; we judge; we are influenced by. Our estimate of man is formed by other views than according to the flesh.

After the flesh - .. in his estimate of people he was not influenced by the views which are taken by those who are unrenewed, and who are unacquainted with the truths of redemption...

[eaglesway]

I'm aware of the "He only comes IN us, exhibits Himself in us, etc.." teaching.  I personally believe it's both - he manifests in us, (also often spiritually returns), but will also  literally return at the appointed time ("no man knows the DAY nor the HOUR")  to "judge both the living and the dead".  "We will always be with Him".   "Comfort one another with these words"...

Anyone who sees it some other way, if this isn't correct, please let me know, but I personally believe the teaching that He won't literally return but will only be present in His saints, mainly began to occur in the 1940's, in large part from the "Latter Rain" movement.  If it goes back further than that, please show me, and also why the following scrips mean something different - not through vague, questionable, "over-spiritualizing" interpretations (I've already seen those)   :laughing7:   :Peace2:, but clearly with solid scriptural evidence.  Thanks :)  Because;

IMO, growing into maturity, and having Him literally appear to reign and bring us immortality at His appearing, are not mutually exclusive.  I believe both are scriptural.  I also believe that either their death to go be in His presence, or Christ's return, was the hope of the disciples and Paul, as stated over and over in the scriptures.  Paul said "if I have hope IN THIS LIFE ONLY, I am of all men most miserable." I Cor. 15:19

Jesus' left with a new, different, spiritual body - but it was a body.  Not the flesh and blood of earth, but the body of the New Man.  And we're told just as He went away, He will return.  Acts 1:11  Paul said there is a natural body (flesh and blood) and a spiritual body (a body, but somehow different, some call it "glorified".  One mortal, the other immortal.  I Cor. 15:44


Matthew 25:31-46 when He returns  in His glory that He would judge and separate the righteous from the wicked.

In 2 Thessalonians 1:6-9, Paul uses the promise of Jesus return as a source of comfort to suffering believers and as a warning to those who had persecuted them. ..when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus."

Acts 1:11-THIS SAME JESUS...SHALL SO COME
    Acts 3:20-HE SHALL SEND JESUS CHRIST
    Acts 15:16-I WILL RETURN
    1 Chr 16:33-HE COMETH TO JUDGE
    1 Cor 1:7-THE COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST
    1 Cor 4:5-THE LORD COME
    1 Cor 11:26-TILL HE COME
    1 Cor 13:10,12-THAT WHICH IS PERFECT IS COME...THEN FACE TO FACE
    Col 3:4-CHRIST...SHALL APPEAR
    Dan 7:9-THE ANCIENT OF DAYS DID SIT
    Dan 7:22-THE ANCIENT OF DAYS CAME
    Dan 9:24-TO BRING IN EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS
    Deut 33:2-THE LORD CAME...HE CAME (Perhaps dual meaning)
    Ezek 21:27-UNTIL HE COME
    Ezek 43:2-THE GOD OF ISRAEL CAME
    Ezek 44:2-THE LORD...HATH ENTERED IN
    Ezek 44:3-THE PRINCE, HE SHALL SIT IN IT
    Gen 49:10-UNTIL SHILOH COME
    Hab 3:3-GOD CAME...HIS GLORY COVERED THE HEAVENS
    Hag 2:7-THE DESIRE OF ALL NATIONS SHALL COME
    Hos 6:3-HE SHALL COME
    Hos 10:12-HE COME
    Isa 31:4-THE LORD OF HOSTS COME
    Isa 34:5-SHALL COME
    Isa 35:4-YOUR GOD WILL COME
    Isa 40:10-THE LORD GOD WILL COME
    Isa 59:20-THE REDEEMER SHALL COME
    Isa 62:11-THY SALVATION COMETH
    Isa 66:5-HE SHALL APPEAR
    Isa 66:15-THE LORD WILL COME
    Ja 5:8-THE COMING OF THE LORD DRAWETH NIGH
    Job 19:25-MY REDEEMER...SHALL STAND AT THE LATTER DAY UPON THE EARTH
    Jn 21:22-I COME
    1 Jn 2:28-WHEN HE SHALL APPEAR
    1 Jn 3:2-WHEN HE SHALL APPEAR...WE SHALL SEE HIM AS HE IS
    Jude 14-THE LORD COMETH
    Lk 9:26-HE SHALL COME
    Lk 21:27-THE SON OF MAN COMING
    Mal 3:2-THE DAY OF HIS COMING...HE APPEARETH
    Mal 3:18-THEN SHALL YE RETURN
    Mk 13:26-THEY SHALL THEY SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING
    Mt 10:23-THE SON OF MAN BE COME
    Mt 16:27-THE SON OF MAN SHALL COME
    Mt 16:28-THEY SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING
    Mt 24:27-SO SHALL...THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN BE
    Mt 24:30-THEY SHALL SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING
    Mt 25:19-THE LORD...COMETH
    Mt 25:31-THE SON OF MAN SHALL COME
    Mt 26:64-HEREAFTER...YE SEE THE SON OF MAN...COMING
    Mic 5:2-SHALL HE COME FORTH...THAT IS TO BE RULER IN ISRAEL
    Num 24:17-THERE SHALL COME A STAR
    Num 24:19-SHALL COME HE
    1 Pe 1:7-THE APPEARING OF JESUS CHRIST
    2 Pe 1:16-THE...COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST
    Ps 24:7-THE KING OF GLORY SHALL COME
    Ps 50:3-OUR GOD SHALL COME
    Ps 72:6-HE SHALL COME
    Ps 96:13-HE COMETH TO JUDGE
    Ps 97:4-HIS LIGHTNINGS ENLIGHTENED THE WORLD
    Ps 97:5-THE HILLS MELTED LIKE WAX AT THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD
    Ps 97:6-ALL THE PEOPLE SEE HIS GLORY
    Ps 102:16-THE LORD...HE SHALL APPEAR
    Rev 1:7-HE COMETH
    Rev 1:8-THE LORD...WHICH IS TO COME
    Rev 2:25-I COME
    Rev 16:15-I COME
    Rev 19:11,15-HE...SAT UPON (a white horse)...HE SHALL RULE...HE TREADETH THE WINE PRESS
    Rev 22:7-I COME QUICKLY
    Rev 22:20-I COME QUICKLY
    Ro 11:26-THERE SHALL COME...THE DELIVERER
    1 Thes 3:13-THE COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST
    2 Thes 1:7-THE LORD JESUS SHALL BE REVEALED FROM HEAVEN
    2 Thes 1:10-HE SHALL COME
    2 Thes 2:8-THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS COMING
    1 Tim 6:14-THE APPEARING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST
    2 Tim 4:1-THE LORD JESUS CHRIST...AT HIS APPEARING
    Zech 2:10-SING AND REJOICE...I COME
    Zech 3:8-I WILL BRING FORTH MY SERVANT THE BRANCH
    Zech 6:12-THE BRANCH...HE SHALL BUILD
    Zech 8:3-I AM RETURNED
    Zech 9:10-HIS DOMINION SHALL BE
    Zech 12:10-THEY SHALL LOOK UPON ME WHOM THEY HAVE PIERCED
    Zech 14:3-THEN SHALL THE LORD GO FORTH
    Zech 14:4-HIS FEET SHALL STAND...UPON THE MOUNT OF OLIVES
    Zech 14:5-THE LORD...SHALL COME

    1 Thes 2:19-FOR WHAT IS OUR HOPE, OR JOY, OR CROWN OF REJOICING? ARE NOT EVEN YE IN THE PRESENCE OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST AT HIS COMING? Titus 2:13-LOOKING FOR THAT BLESSED HOPE, AND THE GLORIOUS APPEARING OF THE GREAT GOD AND OUR SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST.

Blessings.

I personally believe the Lord has always had a remnant of faithful saints among whom He walks and dwells. The Latter Rain was one of the movements to grow out of Azuza Street. Azuza was an outgrowth of some thing that was going on in Scotland. History of Christianity is very sketchy because the establishment churches always write it, but there have been spirit filled churches and revivals since Pentecost, IMO.

[jabcat]

It's interesting what you say about believers/remnant all down through history.  I often wonder about that, i.e., the Dark Ages and the condition of the church/believers during that for example.  I'd think surely someone knew Him during that time.

I'm s/w familiar with the Latter Rain movement per se.  As I understand, it was some of the Assembly of God folks (the denomination I grew up in - Azuza connected) that sprouted the movement.  J. Preston Eby, who I like much of his writing, was one of that group.  The Assemblies rejected the movement as a whole, due to some disagreements over teaching.

I personally agree with much of their teachings, but IF the "Jesus doesn't literally return, just appears in us", etc. is indeed one of their teachings that has spread over the past 70 some-odd years, I disagree with that one.   :2c:

[ded2daworld]

Just like when Daniel thought he was the only one worshiping God.
God told him he had 7,000 more just in that area.
I'm confident that there has always been at least a remnant, even when the catholic church ran everything.

[eaglesway]

It's interesting what you say about believers/remnant all down through history.  I often wonder about that, i.e., the Dark Ages and the condition of the church/believers during that for example.  I'd think surely someone knew Him during that time.

I'm s/w familiar with the Latter Rain movement per se.  As I understand, it was some of the Assembly of God folks (the denomination I grew up in - Azuza connected) that sprouted the movement.  J. Preston Eby, who I like much of his writing, was one of that group.  The Assemblies rejected the movement as a whole, due to some disagreements over teaching.

I personally agree with much of their teachings, but IF the "Jesus doesn't literally return, just appears in us", etc. is indeed one of their teachings that has spread over the past 70 some-odd years, I disagree with that one.   :2c:

Yea, even the Latter Rain movement was really a loosely associated group of churches with some diverse beliefs. From George Warnock, who is still alive in his late 80's I believe, and one of the finest teachers of that generation- to some of the folks who came out of the "Sonship" movement, some of whom began to teach the heresy that Jesus is not returning in flesh and the spirit- spirit only.
Being introduced early(in 1979, at 25 years old in Denver Colorado, I met Bill Britton and George Warnock and a lot of UR and Latter Rain ministers-I was a co- pastor and youth minister then in an independent charismatic church).

In a similar way, the "Ana-baptist" movement which is now historically associated with certain doctrines as if it was almost like- a denomination, was really made up of loosely affiliated groups of churches with some diversity in their beliefs, some of whom were UR.

The common treatment of such groups, the further you go back in history, especially from 600 through 1500  was to deny their existence in every way but to kill or imprison them- but they were always there. IMO there has always been a "tent of witness" on the earth- otherwise, God is not faithful to His promises.... "To whom be the glory in the church to all generations of the age of the ages.



Ephesians 3:20,21  Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us, Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen

[eaglesway]

I would like to qualify my unfortunate usage of the word, "heresy". In my opinion the teaching that Jesus is 1)not resurrected in the flesh 2) that Jesus is not returning in His resurrected, glorified body-as well as in a universal spiritual revelation to all mankind or 3)that we are only resurrected as spirits- is an error and contradicts the word of God. This is what I mean by the word, but it was not a good choice of words because it means different things to different people- no one needs to agree with me, and it does not mean I think someone who believes one of those teachings is not a "Christian"- altho I do believe that all three of those teachings are fundamentally flawed contradictions of the elementary principles of the oracles of God- or to put it simply, just plain wrong :o)

[sheila]

Luke 17;26-37  Indeed God Himself come down to inspect Sodom..in the day He removed Lot and fire come down.

and in Noah's day. one..preaching for 120 yrs the coming deluge.  There was no great spectacle to behold...

  until the fire come down and the rain. Then there was a spectacle.

    Does every eye see Him..before it's too late? Nope.   It is the end of the carnal man..in the corruptible image

  [he who seeks to save his life] and the beginning of the incorruptible image[he who loses his life will preserve it]

   IT WILL BE JUST LIKE THIS ON THE DAY THE SON OF MAN IS REVEALED.


  now,Abraham and Sarah got word of a manchild  to be born to them..promised to be born of the free woman

  on the day God come down to inspect Sodom and deliver Lot.[Rev 11;19-12;5]see preceding 7th trump

  and God's temple in Heaven was opened,and within His temple was seen the Ark of His covenant

   the door of Heaven[Ark] is opened...Jesus Christ is the door.  Read the parable of the ten virgins..

  5 wise[wisdom from Above] 5 foolish[carnal corrupt image].....

   Now learn this lesson of the figtree,as soon as it's twigs get tender and it's leaves come out,you know

that summer is near. Even so,when you see all these things,you know that it is near..right at the door.

  so He who was seated upon the cloud swung His sickle over the earth,and the earth was harvested

add also the plagues worked on Egypt when God delivered His people from bondage to the prince of this world.


   three wittnesses....Lot/manchild of Sarah....Noah/Ark opened in Heaven.....7th trumpet plagues worked

as against Egypt....[bodies of two wittnesses dead in street of sodom and Egypt]

[eaglesway]

three witnesses of what....clarify please :o)