Has anybody heard of Martin Zender. He names the doctrine of eternal torment, a virus. Here's a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBRdIDFomTg
I'd like to hear what you think, I find him quite refreshing
Jock
Sorry, wrong link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcaX8dBO--8
Thanks for posting the video Jock. I agree with this guy on the insanity of ET. I personally know people who believe so strongly in ET that they get insanely defensive of it when I try to present UR to them. I don't necessarily believe that they are insane since they are my parents but they are not ready yet to know the character of Jesus Christ because.............2 Thessalonians 2
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
I would exactly think of it as a virus! Hopefully we can understand their view however.. well, not the view :laughing7: but how it is they believe they are defending the Holy Truth of Jesus Christ.. as to them it is a part of the package, and to deny a part of the package is to deny Christ! ..it's sad.. I really think only the Spirit of God can get beneath this and lift it.. much prayer needed! :grouppray: ("where two or more agree..")
Their are several viruses burning among the members of the body of Christ. There are also a few cancers. Almost all of them are born of extremes in doctrinal understanding(a root of truth exalted out of its proper context) or extremes of authority or leadership by charisma and oratory skill rather than by the guidance of the Spirit of Christ.
Pray therefore the Lord send laborers into the harvest, for the fields are white but the laborers few.
1Co 3:11-23 For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. (12) Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, (13) each man's work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man's work. (14) If any man's work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. (15) If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire. (16) Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? (17) If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are. (18) Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you thinks that he is wise in this age, he must become foolish, so that he may become wise. (19) For the wisdom of this world is foolishness before God. For it is written, "He is THE ONE WHO CATCHES THE WISE IN THEIR CRAFTINESS"; (20) and again, "THE LORD KNOWS THE REASONINGS of the wise, THAT THEY ARE USELESS." (21) So then let no one boast in men. For all things belong to you, (22) whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or things present or things to come; all things belong to you, (23) and you belong to Christ; and Christ belongs to God.
p.s. - I totally agree with the 2nd link :gsmile: :gthumbsup:
Those who are purporting this terror are really characterizing the devil and trying to turn the God of the Universe, to be a monster. What Yeshua spoke of was love, compassion and His great love for the Father. May He shape me to emulate Him,Amen
Watching the Zender tape, (he's one of my favorite links)
It occurred to me that 1.) people universally agree that the parents that sacrificed their children to Baal,
burning them in the fire, were messed up in the head. @.) The children thrown into the fire or laid on the molten hot arms of Baal
were there for a very short time of pain and then released into death. 3.) ECT people see absolutely nothing wrong, absurd, or insane with "God, the Father of ALL" tormenting 95% of his children similarly "forever and ever"(the "and ever" somehow makes it worse then just forever) :Peace2:
eaglesway,
A virus is the perfect analogy for the whole state of orthodox Christianity. We (UR) are the antibodies to the Christian virus of ET.
I just love how conspiratorial Zender acts at the beginning and end of the video, as he stands under some tree, and yet how straightforward he is in his talk, inside.
Yes ET is a virus, and Hell is a 404.
Here's another Zender link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5FH8kRNdJc
I do enjoy listening to Zender. He's very funny and insightful. He has a much different style than Gary, but it's the same message, and they both do a fantastic job getting it out.
Yep, I'm a Zenderonian!
I follow his videos. :laughing7:
Quote from: Jock on April 29, 2013, 02:48:36 PM
Has anybody heard of Martin Zender. He names the doctrine of eternal torment, a virus. Here's a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBRdIDFomTg
I'd like to hear what you think, I find him quite refreshing
Jock
I know Martin. I don't like to hear him wander off about politics, but he speaks the truth about scripture. Some folks aren't ready for his style, but they need to get over that and listen to what he's saying. He's a good brother in Christ with a message that needs to be told to folks who are complacent with their church doctrine. Come out of the church folks, and get into the word of God. I say amen, brother.
Did I mention in another post that my favorite Martin Zender video is the one where he destroys the false doctrine of the trinity? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0BZdAMl8mE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0BZdAMl8mE)
Quote from: mplsfitter539 on May 23, 2013, 11:42:40 PM
Did I mention in another post that my favorite Martin Zender video is the one where he destroys the false doctrine of the trinity? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0BZdAMl8mE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0BZdAMl8mE)
I was on the floor laughing at the end of that one. I was just thinking, where the heck did he get a bulldozer lol.