Never get a thank you?

[fullarmor2]

Sparrow yes, and as i said in my original post, i want THEM to accept it so that they can come to know the proper God...and have peace and joy and love in their lives.

I do it for them and unbelievers or why else go to all the effort? 
And i am VERY quick to point out when i make a mistake, as i have done many times on the forums, and never ashamed to ask to be corrected or to seek further knowledge so that as far as it depends on me i am teaching 100% truth at all costs.

The more people teaching this message the better and i have urged many to teach it and make videos and the like...The more the better, but few have done so.

Preach the good news to every creature...and when i do so i am ridiculed...Ha!

      Friendofmankind,   I would like to encourage you.    As you feel led by the Spirit,  keep on talking to people.      Other folks here made some excellent points about what God's will and timing may be for anyone we may talk to.  And thats good to remember.   We need to be sensitive to where someone else is, and how open they are to the good news.  I think the Spirit will reveal to us as we speak to folks whether or not its there time to see UR.   And its important to be very sensitive to that.   And even if someone is not open to this, and you can tell by their spirit,    you are STILL making a difference. Just because we perceive by the Spririt that someone we are talking to is not open,  that does not mean the Spirit does not want to use you to sow seeds.  AS long as they are willing to talk to you,  go for it!   View yourself as sowing the seeds of the truth to them.  I don't care how negative their reaction may be,   God at some point will cause those seeds to grow.    
  I think its when we make the mistake of being results oriented,   we are susceptible to being frustrated.  But when we remember that the results are God's business,  then we can  focus on preaching the good news in love, better  I think.  
  I'm  reminded of a scripture. I don't know where it is. It says  "He/She  who goes forth weeping, bearing PRECIOUS seed,  shall doubtless come back again rejoicing,  bring their sheaves with them"!    
  Let me end by saying that I pray that we all will be empowered by the Spirit to  walk in love and wisdom as we sow the seeds of this truth to those who are without Father,  and that we always remember,   :crywipe:    ,   that only you can cause the seed of this wonderful good news to begin growing in a persons heart.  And we are so thankful for every opportunity you give us Father,  to speak this truth in love to others.  Amen!

[willieH]

willieH: Hi FOMK... :hithere:

...Yet NEVER has an ET believer said -
"Hey man, whoa, i didnt know all this stuff, wow thanks for pointing out my error, im really going to look into all you have said with an open heart!".

The DEAF do not HEAR, dear FOMK...  So if they have not "heard", how may they be able to THANK YOU for what you had just "said" unto them?  :dontknow:

"Fret not" dear brother...  :friendstu:

And please, by NO MEANS -- let these DEAF ones -- keep you from speaking the TRUTH!   There ARE EARS out there, ...they are just FEW in number... For God limits the knowledge of the TRUTH to FEW...  HE KNOWS who they are, and it is HIS WORK to open them before us as we are faithful to speak, within our individual portions appointed to HIS WORK of the revelation of TRUTH.

The MANY that "come in the name of CHRIST", will eventually be exposed for these "AUDIBLE" deficiencies... Matt 24:5 -- Matt 7:22-23

:Peace:

...willieH  :HeartThrob:

[friendofmankind]

Sparrow yes, and as i said in my original post, i want THEM to accept it so that they can come to know the proper God...and have peace and joy and love in their lives.

I do it for them and unbelievers or why else go to all the effort? 
And i am VERY quick to point out when i make a mistake, as i have done many times on the forums, and never ashamed to ask to be corrected or to seek further knowledge so that as far as it depends on me i am teaching 100% truth at all costs.

The more people teaching this message the better and i have urged many to teach it and make videos and the like...The more the better, but few have done so.

Preach the good news to every creature...and when i do so i am ridiculed...Ha!

      Friendofmankind,   I would like to encourage you.    As you feel led by the Spirit,  keep on talking to people.      Other folks here made some excellent points about what God's will and timing may be for anyone we may talk to.  And thats good to remember.   We need to be sensitive to where someone else is, and how open they are to the good news.  I think the Spirit will reveal to us as we speak to folks whether or not its there time to see UR.   And its important to be very sensitive to that.   And even if someone is not open to this, and you can tell by their spirit,    you are STILL making a difference. Just because we perceive by the Spririt that someone we are talking to is not open,  that does not mean the Spirit does not want to use you to sow seeds.  AS long as they are willing to talk to you,  go for it!   View yourself as sowing the seeds of the truth to them.  I don't care how negative their reaction may be,   God at some point will cause those seeds to grow.    
  I think its when we make the mistake of being results oriented,   we are susceptible to being frustrated.  But when we remember that the results are God's business,  then we can  focus on preaching the good news in love, better  I think.  
  I'm  reminded of a scripture. I don't know where it is. It says  "He/She  who goes forth weeping, bearing PRECIOUS seed,  shall doubtless come back again rejoicing,  bring their sheaves with them"!    
  Let me end by saying that I pray that we all will be empowered by the Spirit to  walk in love and wisdom as we sow the seeds of this truth to those who are without Father,  and that we always remember,   :crywipe:    ,   that only you can cause the seed of this wonderful good news to begin growing in a persons heart.  And we are so thankful for every opportunity you give us Father,  to speak this truth in love to others.  Amen!

Thank you, very encouraging.   :HeartThrob:

[willieH]

But WE could try to Speak God's Word to them, And the Seed may have a humming effect in them, I think it would be a worth wile endeavor to try to change a few... Brothers working together as one IN God.

Lee

My advice is... don't try to "CHANGE" anyone... that is GOD's Work...

Our "work" is to be faithful in offering the TRUTH to others, and then leave the results of that "offering" in HIS HANDS...

...willieH  :HeartThrob:

[friendofmankind]

willieH: Hi FOMK... :hithere:

...Yet NEVER has an ET believer said -
"Hey man, whoa, i didnt know all this stuff, wow thanks for pointing out my error, im really going to look into all you have said with an open heart!".

The DEAF do not HEAR, dear FOMK...  So if they have not "heard", how may they be able to THANK YOU for what you had just "said" unto them?  :dontknow:

"Fret not" dear brother...  :friendstu:

And please, by NOT MEANS -- let these DEAF ones -- keep you from speaking the TRUTH!   There ARE EARS out there, ...they are just FEW in number... For God limits the knowledge of the TRUTH to FEW...  HE KNOWS who they are, and it is HIS WORK to open them before us as we are faithful to speak, within our individual portions appointed to HIS WORK of the revelation of TRUTH.

The MANY that "come in the name of CHRIST", will eventually be exposed for these "AUDIBLE" deficiencies... Matt 24:5 -- Matt 7:22-23

:Peace:

...willieH  :HeartThrob:

Im just going to keep putting the message out there.
Im not after my own gain, of course im not, im after helping others see God as what He is...Love.

To everyone, yes i am new at sharing the gospel...I never shared it before because all i heard was BAD news, but this is different...I dont want anyone lost (without God), i want them all to come to a knowledge of the truth.  I know its all done in Gods time, but at the same time, God wants to use me to do what i am doing.

I know i am in the right place (in sharing the gospel) because i had an answered prayer the other night which was truely a gift from God.
I asked him to show me if i was on the right track and he answered me by answering a prayer request...So i cant ignore that.  

I guess i just want to share what i have found (a rose in a desert...hidden treasure) with others, and perhaps i am being a bit over zealous about it right now, but I just dont want people to suffer what i have suffered these last few years, i so badly want to get them questioning things and seeking God, by challenging their religious doctrines.

So as you guys have said....PLANT THE SEED and leave it there to grow.

I will keep doing that and HOPEING, HOPEING that perhaps someday some hardened et believer might say "Thanks for sharing the good news...I no longer feel like ending my life...Thank you for showing me what God was like".

NOT FOR ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FOR THEM!!!

[friendofmankind]

Real meaning really does get lost in forums, i really am sorry if it sounded like i was seeking my own gain.  Im not, far from it....I get the crap ripped out of me everyday for it, called all kinds of horrible things.  Told that they cant wait to see me burn in hell and all that stuff...If i was after my own gain, i can assure you i wouldnt be here, and if this is fame...then its not what its cracked up to be lol!  Fame! LOL!   That one made me really laugh....Famous for what?  Being told im going to burn in a fire forever?  LOL!

[friendofmankind]

Mind you some ET believers wont even watch my videos...(I told him to watch the videos rather than have me explain by typeing out everything for him)  (One of the many reasons i made the videos in the first place).


Sorry bro, not into that, its your decision if you want to believe it or not, Jesus is warning you right now, theres still time my friend, if you dont want to belive the Holy Bilble its your problem with Jesus, you r practically saying that God is a liar? cause, the Bible doesn't lie, look what its happening around the world right now, its not coincidence, the Bible had control of the past, have control of the present, and will have the control of the future. Your denying the word of God.

Im not going to force the issue with people like that...id never be away from the keyboard.

[sparrow]

Yeah there is a reason why God conceals things.
When a heart is ready, then God's seeds of love will grow.

What you may not realize is some of the things that you are saying may COME BACK and ECHO in their minds in the future...when truth is being revealed to them. When their hearts are prepared and God does His whole gardening thing... :grin: :HeartThrob:, then bits and pieces of things you've said, may come back and be part of the nurturing the seeds that God does.

I remember things from my past, just little bits and pieces of things, people who seemed loving and kind and joyful, coming to my mind when I was finding the truth of God's immense love for us. Even something as simple as a bumper sticker I saw "love your enemies" from years and years ago that I noticed, came back to my memory. That bumper sticker that I saw was WAY back when I was still not really caring about God or even thinking twice about Him. It just stuck in my mind and I filed it away and it came back to me... when truth was being revealed. He works in such strange ways.  :HeartThrob:



His timing is perfect.

And just remember it is not often that you will see the fruits of your spreading the good news.
God's plan is perfect. He will use you in ways you may never realize. But just know that by spreading His glorious good news, you are a light in the darkness.

peace brother!!  :icon_flower:  :HeartThrob:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: What He gave me was, "Give out what I give you and don't look at their faces", ie. reaction of natures. One plants, ANOTHER waters, but God gives the increase. The hard part is moving on from whatever capacity we were used (either planting or watering), to let God give the increase. If it was up to us, it'd be instantaneous. But He has His reasons for His timing, and we just give it over to Him.

I've had more people come to me to ask me where I go to church as an opening line, because the things coming out of my mouth are not "normal Christian" things, so they are intrigued, and that draws them. Blessings....

[friendofmankind]

Thank you, im really glad i made this post, as i have learned a lot from it.

And to anyone i perhaps offended somehow?  Im sorry if i did, its hard to get the real meaning over at times by text, and i dont feel bad about anything that was said, and you shouldnt either.

[Syndicated]

Ever feel like you're bashing your head against a brick wall?

Yes i do right now talking to you...

They will continue to be blind until God and God alone opens their eyes.  If someone accepts something you say it's because God has allowed them to see something of the truth in it.  If someone doesn't accept what you teach you have to accept that God is still working on them and you may not be the one to show them the truth... that there may be another who will.

And how will they hear if noone is teaching the gospel in the first place? 
What you wrote sounds like a total cop out to me.
If an ET believer comes to me with their false doctrine, i refute it, as i have said many times.  Why do you keep picking things out of the air i never said or insinuated?

It's all on God's timing, not ours.

God commanded to preach the gospel to every creature.  It might have escaped your notice, but the gospel being taught for the past 1500 years, WASNT overall the RIGHT one! 

Do I still strugle with believing in God?  Yes.  Do I still struggle with the truth?  Yes.  Am I still afraid of what my family thinks of me?  Oh heck yes I am. 

Ah, so now we get to the bottom of it.
Well no offence, but if you havent had your eyes opened to the truth yet and you still care what people think of you and struggle with the truth, and are even still struggling with believing in God in the FIRST place....who are you to critisize me?
How could you understand what you are talking about as far as these things go?

I AM a believer, hence I preach the gospel to all people as commanded.
A non believers opinion isnt relevant here.

...But thanks anyway.

Where did I criticize you?

Where did I tell you that you were doing wrong?

Where did I say that you should keep silent and not tell people about God?

I have never told you what my whole understanding of things are, so how come you would jump to that?

What makes you think that God isn't working on opening up my eyes to things in my life?  Because I struggle?

What makes you say that you are a believer and because I acknowledge I struggle with things pertaining to faith, or lack there of, that it means I'm not?

How does that make your opinion more valuable (or relevant) than mine?

If knowing how to really share with a non-believer would help them see a loving God, wouldn't you want to know their opinion on the matter to better relate to them?

I think the key is to be patient with everyone at getting our point across and not resorting to childish arguments which dont show Christ's character.

When it gets too much I just leave it for the day and try again the next, or i come here to be with other UR believers...But i always like people to know my 'stuggles' and what is on my mind to get input and knowledge from them.

How come when someone else shares their struggles it's okay for you to throw it back in their face and discount their experiences, knowledge and opinions?

[MacPherson]

For the last few weeks of teaching UR, i have never had a thank you from any ET believer....I have pointed out that hell was not a word until 700AD so Christ could never have said it.  I have used sound reasoning, I have proven them wrong time and time again and showed proof in my favour.  I have presented convincing arguments for the case of AION meaning an 'age' and not 'eternal'....I have done many many things, and never a word of thanks.

Now...I dont want you to think i do this for thanks, because I dont, i do it because its the truth, and with the hope that others can find peace in their lives and truely come to love and worship God for what he is....'Love'...And not a being that would infinitely torcher most of mankind....


...Yet NEVER has an ET believer said -
"Hey man, whoa, i didnt know all this stuff, wow thanks for pointing out my error, im really going to look into all you have said with an open heart!".


Agnostics have commended me, Atheists have congratulated me, Even believers in REPTILES (That illuminati thing) have said good things about me, but not ONE et'er.


I don't even know why Im saying this, i just am...For no reason really.


Have any of you ever had a thank you from a die-hard ET believer?
What happened and how did it feel for you personally?

I dunno. Maybe it's how do you thank someone for pulling the rug out from under you?

[MacPherson]

Thank you, im really glad i made this post, as i have learned a lot from it.

And to anyone i perhaps offended somehow?  Im sorry if i did, its hard to get the real meaning over at times by text, and i dont feel bad about anything that was said, and you shouldnt either.

What I got was what looked like sinners vs Pharisees. The sinners felt enlightened "thanks". The Pharisees were insulted "no thanks".

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Hitting someone with the truth from the Spirit of Truth is no different than when God spoke to Adam and Eve after they fell, and they hid from Him. It's NOT you they're rejecting/running from, it's the sound of His voice in their "garden".

Fortunately for them, that sound, even if rejected initially, will begin to quicken the spirit inside them and "vibrate" off those fig leaves they have covered themselves with. One plants, another waters. Blessings.....

[lomarah]

:cloud9: Hitting someone with the truth from the Spirit of Truth is no different than when God spoke to Adam and Eve after they fell, and they hid from Him. It's NOT you they're rejecting/running from, it's the sound of His voice in their "garden".

Fortunately for them, that sound, even if rejected initially, will begin to quicken the spirit inside them and "vibrate" off those fig leaves they have covered themselves with. One plants, another waters. Blessings.....

:goodpost:

Yeah there is a reason why God conceals things.
When a heart is ready, then God's seeds of love will grow.

What you may not realize is some of the things that you are saying may COME BACK and ECHO in their minds in the future...when truth is being revealed to them. When their hearts are prepared and God does His whole gardening thing... :grin: :HeartThrob:, then bits and pieces of things you've said, may come back and be part of the nurturing the seeds that God does.

I remember things from my past, just little bits and pieces of things, people who seemed loving and kind and joyful, coming to my mind when I was finding the truth of God's immense love for us. Even something as simple as a bumper sticker I saw "love your enemies" from years and years ago that I noticed, came back to my memory. That bumper sticker that I saw was WAY back when I was still not really caring about God or even thinking twice about Him. It just stuck in my mind and I filed it away and it came back to me... when truth was being revealed. He works in such strange ways.  :HeartThrob:



His timing is perfect.

And just remember it is not often that you will see the fruits of your spreading the good news.
God's plan is perfect. He will use you in ways you may never realize. But just know that by spreading His glorious good news, you are a light in the darkness.

peace brother!!  :icon_flower:  :HeartThrob:

:goodpost:

Hi friendofmankind.  :happy3: I agree with sparrow and Card, and thanks be to God I have even been able to see a bit of "growth" from my "seeds" in some of those closest to me... one of my dearest family members was extremely angry with me at first and called me a heretic and warned me not to tell my beliefs to other members of our family so as to not lead them astray. Well recently we have been able to talk more about it in a much more civil way and even though they are not willing to change their beliefs they have admitted that universalism may have some truth to it and that there is a chance that ET may not necessarily be true.

What is holding ET believers back from hearing or accepting truth IMO is most likely fear. The fear of hell, specifically. They are taught that if you believe something undoctrinal then you are a heretic and are going to hell. I feel so sad for them because I know what it is to live in this fear and like you I just want to see them freed from it. Thanks be to God that one day they all will be!  :cloud9:  I do believe that the seeds you are planting will bear fruit in time, God will see to it! Once they get over the initial shock of such a new doctrine they may want to delve more deeply into it.

On a random note, I was watching one of your youtube videos and I love your accent! Where in the UK are you from if you don't mind me asking?

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I just pulled up your link and I love your accent too.......site looks really good too. Good job! Blessings....

[Chris]

Well, I was going to say pretty much what WillieH said, that those who cannot hear the truth cannot "thank you" for telling it to them.

I don't know that I have ever witnessed a single person who did not believe in UR come to believe in UR, though I have met plenty who have (obviously).

The very first time I came across this doctrine (through L Ray Smith and Mike Vinson) I believed it instantly, but I don't think that that is the most common experience of those who do come to believe in UR. I think for many it is a longer road which begins with only small seeds of doubt that eventually grow.


I instantly felt such a sense of relief and enlightenment. I truly, for the first time in my life, felt like I felt THE LOVE OF GOD and understood what FORGIVENESS truly is (and certainly not like a rug was pulled out from under me  :laughing7:)  :gwink:


As others have also said... what we say to others may only be a small seed that is planted, that will later be watered by someone else, as God gives the increase.  :yes: